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  • #141
  • Apr 23, 2010 1:38am Apr 23, 2010 1:38am
It becomes more difficult to achieve higher percentage returns with huge sums under management.

It is also not necessary.

Most people never have as much own money to find out.

I still rather manage $25m of OPM and achieve 1% per month (from which I take 20%) than having $100K and make 10% per month of which I keep 100%.

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daytrading
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  • #142
  • Apr 23, 2010 2:51am Apr 23, 2010 2:51am
Quoting daytrading
It becomes more difficult to achieve higher percentage returns with huge sums under management.

It is also not necessary.

Most people never have as much own money to find out.

I still rather manage $25m of OPM and achieve 1% per month (from which I take 20%) than having $100K and make 10% per month of which I keep 100%.

regards
daytrading
Right, and if you charge a management fee like some funds do then that alone would exceed the 100k*10%. $25m isn't that much in fund managing terms, especially for a reasonable trader even with just mediocre returns.
  • #143
  • Apr 23, 2010 3:26am Apr 23, 2010 3:26am
Quoting The Fool
Even the slightest hint of excitement is a red flag to me anymore.
That was actually a display of lack of excitement. I had a revelation this week realising that emotion is quite important in trading, at least to me. Not in that it should affect decisions, but in terms of motivation and satisfaction.

Quoting daytrading
I still rather manage $25m of OPM and achieve 1% per month (from which I take 20%) than having $100K and make 10% per month of which I keep 100%.
You'd make significantly less on the 25m of OPM. I suppose the attraction is getting much, much more under management.
  • #144
  • Apr 23, 2010 3:41am Apr 23, 2010 3:41am
Quoting daytrading
I still rather manage $25m of OPM and achieve 1% per month (from which I take 20%) than having $100K and make 10% per month of which I keep 100%.
Quoting Mr J
You'd make significantly less on the 25m of OPM.
Huh
  • #145
  • Apr 23, 2010 4:00am Apr 23, 2010 4:00am
Incorrect decimal.
  • #146
  • Apr 23, 2010 4:02am Apr 23, 2010 4:02am
I prefer trading my own money.
This way, I can make as much as I can.

And I don't have to share a single dime.

The ONLY real problem for most beginner is undercapitilization.
Why?
From a mathematical perspective. If new beginners are confined
to risk managment and money management, then this means
they need more money to begin with.

Why do you think money managers trade only 1% to 2% and still
earn so much. It is because they have BIGGER deposits to work with.

There is really nothing much to learn in Forex. Again, all are
confined to risk managment and money management. Break these
rules and you are gambling. Gambling becomes desperations and that
is why people lose so much!

Please keep this posting as a tool of wisdom. One day all will thank me for posting this.
  • #147
  • Apr 23, 2010 12:27pm Apr 23, 2010 12:27pm
.01($25,000,000)0.2 = $50,000/mo.

.10($100,000)1.0 = $10,000/mo.

(2% "management fee" on $25,000,000 annually = $50,000....)

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  • #148
  • Apr 23, 2010 12:42pm Apr 23, 2010 12:42pm
Quoting blacksun1
the best way to attract investor capital is to dress up like female investor capital, and blink your eyes at the investor capital. the investor capital will then drop its jaw to the floor, and co me running at you (the now female investor capital). it works for bugs bunny every time.
Let me shake your hand, friend

had a long and extended laugh
  • #149
  • Apr 23, 2010 2:11pm Apr 23, 2010 2:11pm
Quoting The Fool

(2% "management fee" on $25,000,000 annually = $50,000....)
Huh

Have you guys all got the same calculators? Ask for a refund!
  • #150
  • Apr 23, 2010 2:21pm Apr 23, 2010 2:21pm
Quoting daytrading
It becomes more difficult to achieve higher percentage returns with huge sums under management.

It is also not necessary.

Most people never have as much own money to find out.

I still rather manage $25m of OPM and achieve 1% per month (from which I take 20%) than having $100K and make 10% per month of which I keep 100%.



regards
daytrading
OPM
$25million X 1% (per month) = $250.000 X 20% = $50.000 (per month)

Own Cash
$100.000 X 10% (per month) = $10.000 (per month)

I know which one I'd go for.

Keeping in mind that producing 10% pm (or 120% per annum) on a consistent basis (over years) is kind of unrealistic to put it mildly.


regards
daytrading
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  • #151
  • Apr 23, 2010 2:26pm Apr 23, 2010 2:26pm
I'm looking for 250-500% per month
Annoying Precision
  • #152
  • Apr 23, 2010 2:29pm Apr 23, 2010 2:29pm
Quoting erikte279
I'm looking for 250-500% per month
Man,... thats way to slow for me...
  • #153
  • Apr 23, 2010 2:34pm Apr 23, 2010 2:34pm
My trading style is very conservative...... make the trap aye

Quoting Ulterior
Man,... thats way to slow for me...
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  • #154
  • Apr 23, 2010 2:41pm Apr 23, 2010 2:41pm
Quoting pipmutt
Huh

Have you guys all got the same calculators? Ask for a refund!
oops, .02($25,000,000) = $500,000 annually for "management" - hey that's more like it! That'll cover Erik's salary anyway...
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  • #155
  • Apr 23, 2010 2:44pm Apr 23, 2010 2:44pm
Quoting erikte279
My trading style is very conservative...... make the trap aye
Nah, I was serious
  • #156
  • Apr 23, 2010 2:45pm Apr 23, 2010 2:45pm
I'm learning mql now and I'm FINALLY going to be able automate my "idea" . I worked for months developing the method and backtesting it...its solid...very solid....

Quoting The Fool
oops, .02($25,000,000) = $500,000 annually for "management" - hey that's more like it! That'll cover Erik's salary anyway...
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  • #157
  • Apr 23, 2010 2:46pm Apr 23, 2010 2:46pm
me too, you would think it absurd but its not

Quoting Ulterior
Nah, I was serious
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  • #158
  • Apr 23, 2010 2:48pm Apr 23, 2010 2:48pm
Quoting erikte279
me too, you would think it absurd but its not
No way we came for less!
  • #159
  • Apr 23, 2010 2:49pm Apr 23, 2010 2:49pm
Quoting The Fool
That'll cover Erik's salary anyway...
lol, and leave $490k in change I imagine
  • #160
  • Apr 23, 2010 2:49pm Apr 23, 2010 2:49pm
Quoting erikte279
...its solid...very solid....
Push a button, turn a dial - your work is done for miles and miles.....Boom! Atomic Cocktail!

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