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  • #11,701
  • Mar 31, 2010 4:32am Mar 31, 2010 4:32am
Quoting Osman
Asher DIDN'T said anything about paying a fee.. IT WAS MY IDEA to assure peoples commitment. He´s not asking for any $$ contribution, it was a way to know the real ppl that wanna learn from the yes yes yes but at the end of the month you don't see them again.

Yes, Osman is right. Asher didn't say anything about money .... It was my question (it's some hours ago). So, please don't blame him for that .... And people & Asher, SORRY IF MY QUESTION can make the negative opinion to Asher (if they didn't really read it thoroughly)

Thanks
- pedma -
Good friends are more valuable than gold ...
  • #11,702
  • Mar 31, 2010 4:38am Mar 31, 2010 4:38am
Quoting vic_elc
i really dun know what is the matter with PPL like you, what u guys want more

this is the post no 11687 and everything in here still for free, and when fees were mentioned it wasn't me or Ichi who mentioned it it with the PPL in here who get sick from ppl like you dun wanna do anything and just come to post silly stuff or argue abut anything , this is why they suggest fees so ppl who are not serious will not waste our time or their time .
any way i used to me ppl like you before and guess what ?? no one was able to stop me from teaching and helping...
So much anger in your message. I was commenting not yours either Ichi's message. That was my opinion about what was said about fees. And I am not trying to stop you teaching or what ever you do in this thread. I myself found many interesting thing about ichimoku in this thread.
The Road appears under the steps of walking men...
  • #11,703
  • Mar 31, 2010 4:39am Mar 31, 2010 4:39am
Quoting ichi360
Guys,

As I said earlier, I'm no more part of this discussion. Can I please request to keep my name out of this idea of Turtles thing. I definitely made a great mistake bringing it on here and I apologise for that.

Please keep me out of this. Will appreciate.

Thanks.
It's easy to stop
Do not give up please
After everyone say what they think We can develop it
My friends and I use the term Knead
so if we have any discussion We can not find a solution
We knead it till the end
Usually we find a positive solution fits all
So please
Think about it again
kiki
I did not mention your name
  • #11,704
  • Mar 31, 2010 4:46am Mar 31, 2010 4:46am
Quoting Iskander
thats an interesting thought , ive noticed too that overcorrelation sometimes increases ur exposure more than u think . Would love to hear results of ur work mate.
It's certainly not new ground being covered as many before me who are miles more intelligent have studied this area in great depth however I believe there are subtle differences at times in how they perform which normally includes a degree of geopolitical and or macro economic influence which I would like to follow in more detail.

Also, I think you can get different data from this dependent on the trading method that you are using.

I agree with you about the spread issue too that you outlined the other day. It's only really relevant to scalpers and those trading the smallest of TFs.

Cheers
  • #11,705
  • Mar 31, 2010 4:46am Mar 31, 2010 4:46am
Quoting Soondoock
So much anger in your message. I was commenting not yours either Ichi's message. That was my opinion about what was said about fees. And I am not trying to stop you teaching or what ever you do in this thread. I myself found many interesting thing about ichimoku in this thread.
yes so much anger cause this is the 2nd fight in less the 1 month and i see no reasons for accusing each other, what is the problem to pay a subscription for smthin like this !!!!!!!, i dare u all that u all pay money for cable channels full of sh$% and u are so happy watching america got talent and bla bla bla programs , how much money u pay for ur beer or cigs or even ur comic magazine !!!!
but when it comes to smthin like this we ppl dun like paying money
i am not asking any one to pay any money for any thing and i am not sayin this cause in the future will ask u to pay any money , and even if the turtles group managed to see the light the only rule i think i'll set it will be being there for 8 hrs daily , and the person who don show up or even leave before his 8 hrs will not be welcomed any more in the group
we need commitment i can get you commitment without any money
good luck bro and sorry if i am some how angry
  • #11,706
  • Mar 31, 2010 4:52am Mar 31, 2010 4:52am
Quoting vic_elc
yes so much anger cause this is the 2nd fight in less the 1 month and i see no reasons for accusing each other, what is the problem to pay a subscription for smthin like this !!!!!!!, i dare u all that u all pay money for cable channels full of sh$% and u are so happy watching america got talent and bla bla bla programs , how much money u pay for ur beer or cigs or even ur comic magazine !!!!
but when it comes to smthin like this we ppl dun like paying money
i am not asking any one to pay any money for any thing and i am not sayin this cause in...
Well I am here to learn:nerd: and earn money.
If I could learn more and earn more, I would pay for it.
Thats business
Do what you want, but do it in love
  • #11,707
  • Mar 31, 2010 4:53am Mar 31, 2010 4:53am
Quoting 4xAddict
It's certainly not new ground being covered as many before me who are miles more intelligent have studied this area in great depth however I believe there are subtle differences at times in how they perform which normally includes a degree of geopolitical and or macro economic influence which I would like to follow in more detail.

Also, I think you can get different data from this dependent on the trading method that you are using.

I agree with you about the spread issue too that you outlined the other day. It's only really relevant to scalpers...
Mate nice to have u back
i got ur email and i'll reply soon , sorry for the delay mate
cheers
  • #11,708
  • Mar 31, 2010 4:54am Mar 31, 2010 4:54am
Just my two cents:

I think most people in this thread have a fulltimejob (even Vic's life is still colored orange). So you can't talk about commitment when you don't know cirumstances of somebodys life. Next point, I'm not quite sure - but I think although the original turtles were tought the same rules only a few of them were high profitable... some went break-even and some lost! Imho the same would be with Ichi-Turtles...

Remember Ashers words (I think it was Asher) when he told, that success comes after experience which comes after try, try, try and hard work ... and try!

I think most Turtle-Wannabe's want to pick "success" out of ["success", "experience", "try", "try", "try", "hard work"] .. but that won't work.

At least some warm words to vic, asher, 4addict, samer, chngster, adipati and all others.... what you have done in this single thread is of more value than every "private group" could be... so please people keep this thread alive... because here you will find at least "experience"....
  • #11,709
  • Mar 31, 2010 4:56am Mar 31, 2010 4:56am
Quoting oli
Well I am here to learn:nerd: and earn money.
If I could learn more and earn more, I would pay for it.
Thats business
Oli thx for the post , i dun really know why ppl get angry or feel sad or whatever feelings when it comes to learning
ana even when osman mentioned that we must pay money it was lie 300$ a year , less than 30$ a month !!!!!!!!!!

any way i didn ask for money even asher did ask for money , we are here to help not to make money everyone of us has his own account and is makin his own money , and even after the thread was moved to the commercial forum we didn advertise for ourselves or what service we provide althu we have the right to do so , still we are here to help for free and any ideas we post in here are for free

thx oli wishing you all the best
  • #11,710
  • Mar 31, 2010 4:58am Mar 31, 2010 4:58am
Quoting moetzger
you can always learn something new.

you could open a private forex fund in an offshore country, that would have the benefit of (almost) no restrictions / regulations. but that would implicate great trust in the person who owns this fund
I have been trading now in tax effective locations for several years and this works well.

In fairness though, t's fine for me as my domestic status is such that I can however if you are living in your home country and want to draw down on or remove your profits you will be liable for tax. However, if run as a company your can get around the FSA legality issues if it is structured intelligently from a legal perspective. Depends on the legal jurisdiction that you use. I use Hong Kong and Cyprus and both are equally good for different reasons. The primary cost is associated with establishing a legal entity in those countries. I have done this in HK and Cyprus and the average setup costs including annual accounting run into the 10-15K area however if the fund is a decent size then this is a nominal amount.

More importantly paying tax when cashing out is not really too much of a problem as it does allow you to have nice roads to drive your new car on and utilities so that your new house is liveable. I am a strong believer in paying taxes, just simply a fair amount!

It's more the fact that you can trade with the pre-tax dollars up until such time as you draw out the funds that is the primary benefit. The compounding interest effect that you naturally gain on the (for arguement sake) 30% that you would have paid in tax had it been in your home country provides a great return.

A fund would be best run with several members across multiple timezones rather than someone doing the 3.46am alarm clock job.

Just thoughts,

4x.

Cheers.
  • #11,711
  • Mar 31, 2010 5:00am Mar 31, 2010 5:00am
Quoting vic_elc
Mate nice to have u back
i got ur email and i'll reply soon , sorry for the delay mate
cheers
No probs mate, glad to hear from you and to know you haven't been consumed by Orange yet
  • #11,712
  • Mar 31, 2010 5:02am Mar 31, 2010 5:02am
Quoting nightyhawk
Just my two cents:

I think most people in this thread have a fulltimejob (even Vic's life is still colored orange). So you can't talk about commitment when you don't know cirumstances of somebodys life. Next point, I'm not quite sure - but I think although the original turtles were tought the same rules only a few of them were high profitable... some went break-even and some lost! Imho the same would be with Ichi-Turtles...

Remember Ashers words (I think it was Asher) when he told, that success comes after experience...
i have only one word to say
THIS THREAD WILL BE ALIVE AS LONG AS I AM ALIVE
so whatever happen , whatever group we made whatever business we create
this thread is always here and i'll fight for makin it alive all the time
thank bro
  • #11,713
  • Mar 31, 2010 5:03am Mar 31, 2010 5:03am
Quoting vic_elc
THIS THREAD WILL BE ALIVE AS LONG AS I AM ALIVE
I admire that... you are my personal FOREXHERO...
  • #11,714
  • Mar 31, 2010 5:07am Mar 31, 2010 5:07am
Quoting vic_elc
Oli thx for the post , i dun really know why ppl get angry or feel sad or whatever feelings when it comes to learning
ana even when osman mentioned that we must pay money it was lie 300$ a year , less than 30$ a month !!!!!!!!!!

any way i didn ask for money even asher did ask for money , we are here to help not to make money everyone of us has his own account and is makin his own money , and even after the thread was moved to the commercial forum we didn advertise for ourselves or what service we provide althu we have the right to do so , still...
When I wrote the post yesterday (why did I !! ) I said a symbolic amount, I was thinking of ONE TIME REFUNDABLE payment of 40$-50$ just to proof commitment.
Trade Smart
  • #11,715
  • Mar 31, 2010 5:07am Mar 31, 2010 5:07am
Quoting ichi360
OK Guys,

I can see that the level of this thread has definitely jumped up and we are already a Pro Group here. Hence, I believe that most of the people here are ready to form a Pro Group and trade like what Turtles did in past. All we really need is a Virtual Trading Room and trust me we can beat any top performing trading room.

I'm more than happy to drive this ambition and as I said earlier I've some really big plans / ambitions about this idea. I would like to see us reaching to a much higher position than where Orginial Turtles reached to...

I would love to be involved in an ichi turtles group, I have been off the forum for a few days because of work commitments, but I am gradually working towards full time trading......

Please count me in.
  • #11,716
  • Mar 31, 2010 5:09am Mar 31, 2010 5:09am
Quoting 4xAddict
I have been trading now in tax effective locations for several years and this works well.

In fairness though, t's fine for me as my domestic status is such that I can however if you are living in your home country and want to draw down on or remove your profits you will be liable for tax. However, if run as a company your can get around the FSA legality issues if it is structured intelligently from a legal perspective. Depends on the legal jurisdiction that you use. I use Hong Kong and Cyprus and both are equally good for different reasons. The...
thanks for the info mate
yeah, paying the taxes for gains made by trading would easily run into 50% of absolute gains where i live, so i dont want to pay this huge amount

and i agree, that, IF such a thing like a fund is ever created, more than one person should trade. makes things way more relaxed
Patience is key.
  • #11,717
  • Edited 5:27am Mar 31, 2010 5:16am | Edited 5:27am
guys if u went long with the confirmation on the 1hr i believe that now we are fighting the 1st R level if Cs managed to break the Ks the next level will be the Kumo itself
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  • #11,718
  • Mar 31, 2010 5:17am Mar 31, 2010 5:17am
Quoting vic_elc
good luck bro and sorry if i am some how angry
Thanks and good luck for you too. I am not a rich person, so I live modest at the moment. It will sounds funny but as a manager of foreign economic activity knowing a few languages and having MA diploma with honour, I earn around 250usd per month. And I do not pay for cable, comics and so on. I trade forex to become independent. Am I serious? Yes, I am. I probably has more defensive instincts then others, so I trade conservative way. Ichimoku forever is nice thread with lots of analyses, advises... your signal services is a continuation of all the job you done here, and definitely you have and will have followers there. Turtle group is a project of limited number of people with similar views and trading approaches aiming for success in trading. That is what I think about all this. Sorry I my previous messages were confusing.
The Road appears under the steps of walking men...
  • #11,719
  • Mar 31, 2010 5:18am Mar 31, 2010 5:18am
Quoting vic_elc
guys if u went long with the confirmation on the 1hr i believe that now we are fighting the 1st R level if Cs managed to break the Ks the next level will be the Kumo itself
thanks for pointing this out, will watch that one
think ill try the CS/KS Cross strategy on this one
Patience is key.
  • #11,720
  • Mar 31, 2010 5:22am Mar 31, 2010 5:22am
Quoting fosters
I don't see how charges could would remove the 'human nature' and it is natural to consider that there would be fees to pay like for software, hosting and the likes.
Maybe a modification would be member support by donations.
Also, if selling a book were to be in the mind of the thread originator /Asher, why all these free contributions since all these days.
Lastly, it is always good to get hold of the whole point before making contributions else you would have read that the issue of charges was other member suggestions.
That's fine, I wasn't having a go at whoever suggested it just the principle of charging. It is a fine line between paying for a service/membership and taking money off people...let alone the financial authority implications. Look at all the forex scams out there. We even have legitimate companies now advertising to newbies how they can make 100k a year with only 4hrs work a day, just go and pay for the company's course, you'll see how easy it is.

Anyway, a suggestion, try NING or another free chat site, if people feel the benefit they can always donate if they want. If you want to stop time wasters, you won't stop them by charging, in fact you'll probably get even more dummies joining up for "man I just need me some pips, tell me how I can live on 5 pips a day please". Why not have a simple questionnaire form for join up, maybe let people join who have extensively checked the thread here, etc. etc.

Quoting ichi360
Guys,

As I said earlier, I'm no more part of this discussion. Can I please request to keep my name out of this idea of Turtles thing. I definitely made a great mistake bringing it on here and I apologise for that.

Please keep me out of this. Will appreciate.

Thanks.
Mate, discussion discussion - it's healthy.
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