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  • #741
  • Mar 17, 2010 6:39pm Mar 17, 2010 6:39pm
Quoting Darkstar
I like trading with the hunters because the probabilities are better. High win rates for small pips makes me feel good. Thats just personal preference though. As I said, you can build systems in many diffrent ways from that type of event. If you prefer big pip wins at lower winrates you can either fade or play for cascades.

I wouldn't ever trade with the defenders though. There is no way I can see to establish even a basic system around helping them. Not to say it can't be done, I just haven't found one...
This makes sense to me in terms of what I've been thinking about for some time: That I need to "invert" my thinking when it comes to looking for opportunities. I do okay playing "defense" (the timing and defining trades is easy) but, it's too easy to have small gains erased, and more, once the pretty much inevitable happens - the hunters make their move. Timing your move to get on board with them eludes me though.
  • #742
  • Mar 17, 2010 6:44pm Mar 17, 2010 6:44pm
Quoting markmm
Ah well at least he didn't scam, or start charging for his knowledge, not easily pleased are you.
Correction: If Darkstar IS indeed correct that FTI is who he says he is THEN he's testament to the fact that...Blah blah.

Mustn't just assume something because someone say's said some thing is so.
Living the adventure in my head.
  • #743
  • Mar 17, 2010 6:48pm Mar 17, 2010 6:48pm
Quoting Leonlorenzo
Correction: If Darkstar IS indeed correct that FTI is who he says he is THEN he's testament to the fact that...Blah blah.

Mustn't just assume something because someone say's said some thing is so.
I guess once you have a bit of knowledge you can tell if someone is full of crap or not, we can never know if he is a good trader, or if anyone is, without a statement. But I remember Skunny posting a statement (could have been from anything though) so not even that.
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  • #744
  • Mar 17, 2010 6:51pm Mar 17, 2010 6:51pm
Leon dude, you have been here long enough to soon start making up your own mind who's for real and not, wouldn't you agree ?
Measure twice, cut once
  • #745
  • Mar 17, 2010 7:00pm Mar 17, 2010 7:00pm
Quoting aediaz1
Leon dude, you have been here long enough to soon start making up your own mind who's for real and not, wouldn't you agree ?
Yes, I make up my own mind where I can. Some members still have me split though.
Living the adventure in my head.
  • #746
  • Mar 17, 2010 7:05pm Mar 17, 2010 7:05pm
Darkstar,

Do you, in some way, "measure" the strengh of the battle between hunters and option defenders?

In the example you presented, the defenders were able to win the battle for 3 days (friday to tuesday). Instead, if they were able to defend their position for a week or more, with price ranging in a small interval, say 100 some pips, the probability of a cascade when the break occurs is bigger? If yes, why?

When do you consider the defenders to be the winners?
If prices breaks the last important low (keeping with your example), if price goes down x amount of pips from option barrier, etc..

Thank you in advance.
  • #747
  • Mar 17, 2010 7:09pm Mar 17, 2010 7:09pm
Quoting Luso
When do you consider the defenders to be the winners?
When their stops don't get tripped?
Don't wish it were easier, wish you were better. ~ Jim Rohn
  • #748
  • Mar 17, 2010 7:11pm Mar 17, 2010 7:11pm
Quoting Luso
Darkstar,

Do you, in some way, "measure" the strengh of the battle between hunters and option defenders?

In the example you presented, the defenders were able to win the battle for 3 days (friday to tuesday). Instead, if they were able to defend their position for a week or more, with price ranging in a small interval, say 100 some pips, the probability of a cascade when the break occurs is bigger? If yes, why?

When do you consider the defenders to be the winners?
If prices breaks the last important low (keeping with your example),...
Your going to have to do some of the work yourself. Or wait for the book.
Economists have forecast 9 out of the last 5 recessions
  • #749
  • Mar 17, 2010 7:13pm Mar 17, 2010 7:13pm
Quoting LasVahGoose
When their stops don't get tripped?
More specifically when their barrier doesn't get touched. Stops are secondary.
  • #750
  • Mar 17, 2010 7:15pm Mar 17, 2010 7:15pm
Quoting Leonlorenzo
Anyone know if negative people die earlier?
It's true.
Don't wish it were easier, wish you were better. ~ Jim Rohn
  • #751
  • Mar 17, 2010 7:15pm Mar 17, 2010 7:15pm
Quoting markmm
lol you want it straight, no bs!
I think everyone wants this . That is one of the problems I had with FTI's thread as well... DS has a lot of experience and his own way of trading and the same with FTI. I think this experience and self confidence helps a lot with gaining things from FTI's thread.
  • #752
  • Mar 17, 2010 7:18pm Mar 17, 2010 7:18pm
Quoting markmm
Or wait for the book.
That's a thought.

Darkstar will have to move over to the commercial section wont he? Shame.
Living the adventure in my head.
  • #753
  • Mar 17, 2010 7:19pm Mar 17, 2010 7:19pm
Quoting LasVahGoose
When their stops don't get tripped?
The question wasn't well formulated, sorry.
I meant, when is the battle considered to be finished? I imagine during the life of an option there can be 1,2,3 or more battles?

I hope I made myself clear.

Thank you
  • #754
  • Mar 17, 2010 7:19pm Mar 17, 2010 7:19pm
Quoting Deusomega
I think everyone wants this . That is one of the problems I had with FTI's thread as well... DS has a lot of experience and his own way of trading and the same with FTI. I think this experience and self confidence helps a lot with gaining things from FTI's thread.
Wash the car. Wax on. Wax off.

Sometimes in the beginning you don't understand why you are being taught or made to do things a certain way. Hence the stories and parables to frame your mind into a way of thinking and looking at things. Then adding steps a little bit a time.

There was another story about an apprentice that wanted to learn to carve jade and every day the master would give him a piece of jade to hold and do all these task. Anyways, the story is out there somewhere. The point being it takes time to gain experience and understanding.
Don't wish it were easier, wish you were better. ~ Jim Rohn
  • #755
  • Mar 17, 2010 7:24pm Mar 17, 2010 7:24pm
Quoting Leonlorenzo
That's a thought.

Darkstar will have to move over to the commercial section wont he? Shame.
I would prefer a series of videos showing the stuff, a a book is to static.
Economists have forecast 9 out of the last 5 recessions
  • #756
  • Mar 17, 2010 7:26pm Mar 17, 2010 7:26pm
Quoting LasVahGoose
Wash the car. Wax on. Wax off.

Sometimes in the beginning you don't understand why you are being taught or made to do things a certain way. Hence the stories and parables to frame your mind into a way of thinking and looking at things.

There was another story about an apprentice that wanted to learn to carve jade and every day the master would give him a piece of jade to hold and do all these task. Anyways, the story is out there somewhere. The point being it takes time to gain experience.
Someone pointed me to a poster on another forum socrates, if you thought FTI was abstract, check out this guy.
Economists have forecast 9 out of the last 5 recessions
  • #757
  • Mar 17, 2010 7:27pm Mar 17, 2010 7:27pm
Quoting Luso
The question wasn't well formulated, sorry.
I meant, when is the battle considered to be finished? I imagine during the life of an option there can be 1,2,3 or more battles?

I hope I made myself clear.

Thank you
When it expires untouched, or when it gets touched, whichever comes first. Thats for a Knock-Out Option I think but im no expert.
Economists have forecast 9 out of the last 5 recessions
  • #758
  • Mar 17, 2010 7:32pm Mar 17, 2010 7:32pm
Quoting markmm
I would prefer a series of videos showing the stuff, a a book is to static.
One with pictures where you can flip the pages really, really, really quick. Maybe Darkstar can do a book reading in a bookshop local to him, he can wear a woolly jumper and we'll all sit on the floor around him with our shoes and socks off.
Living the adventure in my head.
  • #759
  • Mar 17, 2010 7:35pm Mar 17, 2010 7:35pm
Quoting markmm
Your going to have to do some of the work yourself. Or wait for the book.
Hey man,

Stop being negative. Work? I have already read the link you posted some weeks ago as well as some Carol studies.
Didn't you realize yeat that there is no straight way. In small nuances is where the knowledge lives.
I was hoping my questions would help everyone. If it doesn't help you, don't read the answers.
Ditto.
  • #760
  • Mar 17, 2010 7:35pm Mar 17, 2010 7:35pm
Quoting Leonlorenzo
One with pictures where you can flip the pages really, really, really quick. Maybe Darkstar can do a book reading in a bookshop local to him, he can wear a woolly jumper and we'll all sit on the floor around him with our shoes and socks off.
Nah HD-3D is the way to go.
Economists have forecast 9 out of the last 5 recessions
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