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  • #8,781
  • Dec 31, 2009 10:01am Dec 31, 2009 10:01am
Some of you may find the attached doc useful - typed out from a 'certain Book' ;-) A new year's gift!

There is an emphasis on 5M charts but substitute for daily. PA works the same across any timeframe - it just happens a lot quicker down in the bowls of the 1hr and below!

There are some very useful guidelines here that should be adhered to. Many of them changed the way in which I trade and form the cornerstone of my trading style. They are all relating to Price Action trading.
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  • #8,782
  • Dec 31, 2009 10:04am Dec 31, 2009 10:04am
Thread suggestions.

Thank you all for your suggestions to date.

With only 11 participants, accepting it is the Holiday Season, this tells me A LOT!

I was going to put all my responses on this one page but I prefer to do it on each individual’s post.

We already know that we can’t please everybody as the example below shows!

Grimweasel
(oh, bit more of old Strat would not go a miss - you're too soft these days ;-) )

Lotuselanman
I notice Strat has gone back to his ‘Carry On Cowboy’ approach with Get out of Dodge………’ Oh well, if he can call me an ‘English Gentleman’, I can call him Sid James I suppose!

Each suggestion will, and is being addressed, and there will be changes that some will like, while others will not.

My original goal of “Trader helping traders” is still the same however it is very clear that each trader, being unique, needs different help.

I will always help those who are serious and prepared to put in the effort and time it takes to become a profitable and successful trader.

I will always despise and ignore those who are looking for a “free ride” or “short cut” or those with less experience who know more than I.



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  • #8,783
  • Dec 31, 2009 10:12am Dec 31, 2009 10:12am
Quoting Gilligan
Hello everyone,
Found this thread a couple of days ago, WOW I believe this is for me, I've been reading and lurking ever since. Signed up minutes ago and want to learn to trade to Rock'n Roll instead of the Hurt'n Songs I've been doing with my Tele. Looking forward to lots of learning. This is my first anniversary of trading and have put many hours of work into it with little success. Looking forward to
working here.
Welcome! Another maple leaf for Nicola!

Make sure you read LarryK's post following yours on a summary of the thread.

Take a leaf (maple is OK) out of LarryK's book and READ and UNDERSTAND just as he did. This is your foundation that you need before you can start building
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  • #8,784
  • Dec 31, 2009 12:18pm Dec 31, 2009 12:18pm
Quoting Lou
I believe it would help our learning if there were an increase in postings describing trades taken, not taken, and why/why not. The why/why not being the most important factor. This will help learners see what the posters/instructors are seeing and acting upon.

I also think that trade management postings, as trades develop and continue, would be a good feature to include. I make reference to Strat's posting of his G/J trade(s) with a chart and description.
I believe it would help our learning if there were an increase in postings describing trades taken, not taken, and why/why not. The why/why not being the most important factor. This will help learners see what the posters/instructors are seeing and acting upon.

OK. Will do but these will ALWAYS be after the fact as I REFUSE to be another signal service. We are teaching TO FISH rather than giving a fish.

This is also a 2 way street – students should ALSO post the same

I also think that trade management postings, as trades develop and continue, would be a good feature to include. I make reference to Strat's posting of his G/J trade(s) with a chart and description.

This is the problem with a one thread for all. This is advanced trading and will entice beginners and novices learning the basic method with patience and discipline to do the wrong things. Having said that, we have a solution for this.
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  • #8,785
  • Dec 31, 2009 12:41pm Dec 31, 2009 12:41pm
Quoting Lou
I believe it would help our learning if there were an increase in postings describing trades taken, not taken, and why/why not. The why/why not being the most important factor. This will help learners see what the posters/instructors are seeing and acting upon.

I also think that trade management postings, as trades develop and continue, would be a good feature to include. I make reference to Strat's posting of his G/J trade(s) with a chart and description.

Here you go Lou,

This is a trade I'm thinking about, and I got the price action I've been waiting for today - number of things look good - DBHLC - 61 fib - BEEB -SR levels(Amber lines) - SS.

But..... The trend is up(so this would be CT) - Its also a holiday so low volume - Think I'll wait till Mon/Tues for confirmation..

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  • #8,786
  • Dec 31, 2009 12:45pm Dec 31, 2009 12:45pm
Quoting strat
I believe it would help our learning if there were an increase in postings describing trades taken, not taken, and why/why not. The why/why not being the most important factor. This will help learners see what the posters/instructors are seeing and acting upon. ...
Definitely. Don't want no stinkin' signal service.
However a sort of LAGGING signal service would do quite nicely ...for learning and discussion.

Happy New Year.
  • #8,787
  • Dec 31, 2009 1:01pm Dec 31, 2009 1:01pm
Quoting pipfx
What you like?

The group discussion regarding why trades are taken or not taken and basically the entire thread.

What you don't like? and What would help?

People find this thread at different times and therefore are at different levels. Strat you often recommend some people trade one way and others who are more knowledgeable can take more risky trades....
People find this thread at different times and therefore are at different levels. Strat you often recommend some people trade one way and others who are more knowledgeable can take more risky trades. This makes sense, but it is sometimes difficult to follow with regards to where one stands.

I am not sure how we can fix this asides from a private forum with multiple threads, ie. Beginners, Int, Advanced. I am not an IT guy so I have no idea if that would be possible, but I would be available to help out anyway I can.

This is my major problem with the limitations of this thread. We are working on a solution where we categorise students into different levels with different access. The levels are already in place and are:

New Members
Level 0 - For completely new members to gain a basic understanding of what we teach here at Strat's Forex Trading and the education path taken if you decide to join our community.

Beginner
Level 1 - Members who have advised Strat of their intent to take The Path of Learning and have read the website documentation. These members have thrown out all their old trading methods, beliefs and indicators and are studying, learning and practicing Strat’s basic method.

Novice
Level 2 - Members who have read and UNDERSTOOD The Path of Learning and are now able to recognize Strat trades on any chart. These members will cautiously start trading the basic method with real live money accounts.

Intermediate
Level 3 - Members who have been trading Strat’s basic method for a minimum of 6 months and can show consistent equity growth in their real live money trading accounts. Such Members are now classified as “Traders”.

Advanced
Level 4 - Traders who have been trading Strat’s methods for a minimum of 12 months, have demonstrated CONTROL of their FEAR & GREED emotions and are therefore able to show significant consistent equity growth in their real live money trading accounts.

Elite
Level 5 - Strat Certified Trainers who are Professional Traders, Fund Managers, Money Managers or exceptional students of Strat’s teachings.

My last gripe is when a chart is posted by you (strat) or senior members with a cryptic message to challenge us to interpret the chart, I wish there would be a real explanation as to the interpretation of the chart by a senior member to ensure we are on the right track. I know you try your best to respond to all of us who attempt it, but it would still help. I don't know how you could do this to avoid providing benefit to the lurkers you so despise!

This is partly a symptom of the above and my “no spoon feeding” teaching style. My experience tells me that students who find things out for themselves learn much faster with far longer memory retention.

I will still continue the “cryptic messages” and “hints” but with an explanation after sufficient discussion
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  • #8,788
  • Dec 31, 2009 1:07pm Dec 31, 2009 1:07pm
Quoting maxu08
the thread is excellent, i learned a lot from strat and from all of you guys for which i thank you all.

Many people said this before and i just want to remember you: because the thread is too long right now, for a beginner become very hard to follow the method especially for those which the English is not the basic language. And because we don't want to scare away the new traders it will be a good idea to make this thread (and the presentation of this method) more friendly. I think that we have to separate the discussion regarding day to day trading...
because the thread is too long right now, for a beginner become very hard to follow the method especially for those which the English is not the basic language. And because we don't want to scare away the new traders it will be a good idea to make this thread (and the presentation of this method) more friendly. I think that we have to separate the discussion regarding day to day trading from the core elements of this method.

So, it will be needed to concentrate all the elements of this method (along with examples) in couple of posts (at the beginning of this thread) or to make a new site just for this purpose.

Point taken and being addressed.
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  • #8,789
  • Dec 31, 2009 1:12pm Dec 31, 2009 1:12pm
Quoting mstandifer
I agree Lou and second his request for more of the thought process behind the senior trader's trades.



I agree with Pipfx's last section of post in particular and second the request that the cryptic postings of charts by the senior traders have some sort of follow up so that we may learn from them rather that possibly form an incorrect conclusion....
I believe it would help our learning if there were an increase in postings describing trades taken, not taken, and why/why not.
I agree Lou and second his request for more of the thought process behind the senior trader's trades.

Will do

second the request that the cryptic postings of charts by the senior traders have some sort of follow up so that we may learn from them rather that possibly form an incorrect conclusion. I believe these posts to be some of the more beneficial learning aids...the real life examples.

Will do

Also, I find the occasional high level technical discussions from Blackeagle, Alexandra and Nicola beneficial because I believe it helps to be stretched mentally. I also believe it helps to know some of what goes on behind the curtain and their posts certainly do that. More please.

Meaning that my posts are low level crap?
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  • #8,790
  • Dec 31, 2009 1:15pm Dec 31, 2009 1:15pm
Quoting Alexandra
Still liking the EUR play through EURJPY, I am now looking quite hard at EURUSD for a resumption. A free cup of egg nog to the trader who can tell me why. Hint - the answer may not lie in the EURUSD chart.
But, my dear, what about the EURUSD & USDCHF Big Bosses?
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  • #8,791
  • Edited 1:58pm Dec 31, 2009 1:23pm | Edited 1:58pm
Good to generate some ideas. I'm looking at the monthly USDCHF and the inability to rise above last year's levels at this time (1.0370). It makes for a very low risk entry. Corresponsingly, EURUSD has fallen further to a second level of support, but I find it easier to see the opportunity through USDCHF. If things fail to reverse, one has not lost much on such an endeavor. The dye is not cast yet though - we heven't moved on a closing basis in 3 days, as the market shows its indecision. I am still more bullish E/J and, obviously, long USDJPY.
  • #8,792
  • Dec 31, 2009 1:25pm Dec 31, 2009 1:25pm
Quoting stgeorge
There are a number of things on this thread that could make life a lot easier for the those like me who are starting on this Strat's of trading system.

I must admit at the beginning as I was wading through loads of posts I thought there has to be a quicker way to get to the nub of the system.

And of course there is, you can cut the time required by more than half if you speed read the posts and discard the stupid, the irrelevant, the jokes, the queries, the thanks a lot posts etc etc.

But then I realised that I was only one of many on this...
When I look at the stuff that people post, who obviously have not made any effort at all, Strat's right to send them back to the beginning, personally I would send them off the site, but I am obviously not a nice man.

Nice or not, those are THE plans for the future!

My advice is leave it the way it is, those that want help and are prepared to learn will stay the course, the rest will contribute to our profits, the advance players will find ways to skip the dross, and if they post stuff you don't understand then ask, if you still don't understand then you are not ready to learn it.

This was the premise for starting this thread and I still believe is how we continue.

This thread is all about hard work, trading is all about hard work, success in life is all about hard work.

Nail on the head there! No wonder you were Knighted!

As before, I will help those who help themselves and put in the hard work, time and effort.

A very good, common sense and logical post, O Knighted One!
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  • #8,793
  • Dec 31, 2009 1:41pm Dec 31, 2009 1:41pm
Hi all,

I have been reading, unfortunately not participating. A wife a one year old, and as we found out on Christmas day an incoming new member of the family!! Are all keeping me so busy. Strat thanks for the offer to add to our experience here.

This year because of my shifting priorities I have already lined every chart I intend to trade with support and resistance levels (again), which should supply me with many opportunities for trades as these levels are encountered. I have 16 charts loaded and a daily log setup so I can move quickly since I estimate that I only have 1/2 hour during the daily close to analyze the charts. During the weekend I am setting aside 2-3 hours for re-examination of the charts and to prioritize them based on the PASR I'm seeing for the week. We'll see how it goes.

I agree with the posts above, as an engineer I often overthink what I cannot figure out, and end up lost or ignoring the obvious. But w don't want signals and I understand the reasoning behind the cryptic messaging. Personally I think why nots are more important than whys, when it comes to trades since the candlestick patterns we look for on the daily at the respective levels give an obvious indication of direction. Why not has more to do with the positioning of the candle (i.e. its position relative to support or resistance)?

Personally what has kept me as a mediocre trader is greed. I see a trade and I drop bombs on it and that always leads me to licking my wounds and having to trade my account back up to breakeven. No wonder why they call people like me scared money...its because we are overleveraged, underfunded and jump at any signs of trades moving against us. Fortunately I am beginning to see the light, that there are ample opportunities to make money, and I don't have to make it all in one trade.

Last year I was trading the GBP/JPY, I was short $2 per pip from 215. I knew after the trendline broke I had caught the mother of all shorts and I pledged to myself to turn off my computer for 6 months. My target, believe it or not was 170. That DAY when I was about to leave I posted and asked Auslanco on FF here why he thought the price could hit 217 (my stop). He told me the dragon can do that easily, and his indicators weren't saying to short yet. Like a fool I panicked (overleveraged accounts can't stand large draw downs, and I never really accepted the risk that I could lose $400) I closed the trade for some profit, and watched as she descended into oblivion.

Indicators don't work, and neither does greed.

Anyway Strat can't really say what can be added, keep up the good work and thanks for a legitimate thread.
  • #8,794
  • Dec 31, 2009 1:57pm Dec 31, 2009 1:57pm
Quoting oblo
I am not a prodigal son of the thread, but I make my comments on this Strat request:

1) More of...
I am not a prodigal son of the thread, but I make my comments on this Strat request:

Maybe if you stopped visiting all the other Forums and threads you subscribe to, you could become a Prodigal Son (and a profitable and successful trader)

1) More of these posts please:
http://www.forexfactory.com/showpost...postcount=8598
http://www.forexfactory.com/showpost...postcount=1302

these are pearls to study.

I have a HUGE problem with this. Other than students of this thread who are encouraged to post their trades, I despise after the fact trades posted by anyone else anywhere.

I just see this as ego servicing and trying to show you are better than anyone else.

It would also paint me as a “super trader” and that I am not for I am only technically subservient to the Market. When the Market moves against the technicals I am lost and become as random and chaotic as the market.

Another problem I have with this is another symptom of the current thread format. Although my basis for trading is always PASR, many of my trades in a trend are from my other methods, techniques and my MGM which may (probably would) confuse those trying to learn basic PASR. Such things are only for Advanced Level Traders.

2) I also think that we should reconsider the mstandifer proposal for the daily or weekly analysis, commented by the senior members. Maybe we can restrict this analysis to few majors. That would give a systematical approach to the applied study of the material of this thread. Something that no other thread has on ff as far as I know.

Good point, I agree. Let me discuss this with Blackeagle, Alexandra and Nicola to see how we can “share” the “commenting” load.
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  • #8,795
  • Dec 31, 2009 2:07pm Dec 31, 2009 2:07pm
Quoting oblo
I am not a prodigal son of the thread, but I make my comments on this Strat request:

1) More of these posts please:
http://www.forexfactory.com/showpost...postcount=8598
http://www.forexfactory.com/showpost...postcount=1302

these are pearls to study.

2) I also think that we should riconsider the mstandifer proposal for the daily or weekly analysis, commented by the senior members. Maybe we can restrict this analysis to few majors. That would give a systematical approach to the applied study of...
Make that 12 Strat. Better late than never.

I agree with Ramon's points. Those posts he referenced are the real world examples in PASR class that tie all of the education together.

Your life stories are fascinating too and would like to hear more.

What about the 95% (psychology)??? Not sure what techinque to use to add it to the thread other than how you have been doing it so far. The TITZ video from Nicola was nice. More of that type of stuff would be cool.

- Happy New Year!

- Corbett
  • #8,796
  • Dec 31, 2009 2:20pm Dec 31, 2009 2:20pm
Quoting Lotuselanman
What I like:...
What I think may be a problem:

 

  1. the various levels at which posters operate, not the senior members of Strat’s team but the rest of us. I’m not sure what can be done about that actually unless posts can be classified. Would a return to Strat’s ‘Pic’ awards help this?? Not sure! [I’ve taken to skipping posts which seem to me to be making things too complicated but have begun to read the thread from the beginning again to see if some of the more complex ones make sense to me now.]

Categorisation of members into different levels addresses this. See Post #8787

 

  1. the thread is very long and key posts which explain the method with examples can be posted on the Index – many have. So perhaps that might be a way of sorting posts into ‘levels’. A basic category of posts on the Index, and then a more complex one etc. But all of that is work of course, and the thread is free!!!

This will eventually get done

 

  1. I know the emphasis here is on being so familiar with PASR that it becomes second nature and can be applied to any chart,

PRACTICE, PRACTICE & PRACTICE.
When you think you know it, PRACTICE, PRACTICE & PRACTICE.
Then when you are sure you know it, PRACTICE, PRACTICE & PRACTICE.

but I have found that I have been concentrating on a small range of currency pairs and have got to know them quite well – EURJPY and its ranging would be an example

This is done by many Professional Traders – the most common pairs being EURUSD & GBPUSD

- and though I look through many others, it is only a few I regularly trade with real money. I notice that different posters have favourites and it is a pity that the arrangement of people posting weekly analysis of a particular chart fell apart. I thought that was very positive and I could skip pairs I wasn’t interested in (and go back to them later if I wanted).

See my previous response.

I notice Strat has gone back to his ‘Carry On Cowboy’ approach with Get out of Dodge………’ Oh well, if he can call me an ‘English Gentleman’, I can call him Sid James I suppose!

I think there are only you and I on here that remembers the Carry On films. Next you’ll be talking about the Whitehall Farces!

So, if I’m Sid James, do I get to "have" Barbara Windsor? Now that is a “pair” I would like to work on!

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  • #8,797
  • Dec 31, 2009 2:28pm Dec 31, 2009 2:28pm
Quoting soso
I like the way the thread is till now, although it's growing pretty fast.

What I'd like to see more is trade management, currently most of the focus is on entry but I believe the trade management can make the difference between winning and losing.
I will start posting my views starting with the new year.

Best regards and a Happy New Year everyone!
What I'd like to see more is trade management, currently most of the focus is on entry but I believe the trade management can make the difference between winning and losing.

Apart from:

# 1 RULE

And

Always make sure your WINNING trades are BIGGER than your losing trades, what more do you need?
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  • #8,798
  • Dec 31, 2009 2:44pm Dec 31, 2009 2:44pm
Quoting LarryK
I have finshed reading this thread, every single page and every single post.
Now you must all decide if I have understood what I have read.

PASR stands for Price Action (at) Support (and/or) Resistance.
Newbies (like me) are required to draw lines of SR on their charts in accordance with the very good guidelines provided in particular by Blackeagle. When we are satisfied with our lines of SR we should then go back in history on our daily charts taking note of PA at those lines of SR, asking ourselves what did the PA tell us...
I have finished reading this thread, every single page and every single post.
Now you must all decide if I have understood what I have read.

You definitely have Larry. Now go and PRACTICE on as many charts as you can find.

PASR stands for Price Action (at) Support (and/or) Resistance.
Newbies (like me) are required to draw lines of SR on their charts in accordance with the very good guidelines provided in particular by Blackeagle.

When we are satisfied with our lines of SR we should then go back in history on our daily charts taking note of PA at those lines of SR, asking ourselves what did the PA tell us in the vicinity of SR, what were the buyers and sellers doing and when and how was the battle for Price resolved.

The purpose is to recognise the signals that Price gives at SR, particularly looking for a SS,Hammer,BUOB,BEOB,BUOB SHOULD BE BUEB or BEEB, which are the candles most likely to signal a change at SR.


An important aspect of this method is the realisation that it is only at the daily level AND ABOVE that stress free trading is possible.

We call the daily chart the Worker, the weekly chart The Boss, while the monthly chart is called The Big Boss. It is from The Big Boss and the Boss that we take our direction from on FOR the Worker, and we do not trade unless they are all in agreement.


One day we may (WILL) learn how to trade against the trend but not yet!


Newbies are encouraged to only trade from SR to the next level of SR after suitable PA, in order to build confidence in our abilities to recognise correct PA.


Newbies are encouraged to comment on the posts of other members in order to assist each other to successfully recognise and trade PASR.

This is my forex trading new year resolution and task that I have set myself.

I am going back over the thread as well to see what I might have missed the first time, just to keep me busy while I wait for PASR.

Excellent Larry. You are the example that ALL Strat students MUST follow.

This is a very good summary for the technical aspect of PASR learning.

What we need now is a summary of the psychological aspect of PASR trading.

Larry, with your approach, attitude and determination, you have all the makings of a profitable and successful trader. Stick with the program and show us all that you can do it.
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  • #8,799
  • Dec 31, 2009 2:59pm Dec 31, 2009 2:59pm
Quoting das
Hi
Just a few thoughts,
I like the way the thread is except it is very lomg becoming longer every day.
I would like to see some sort of tests available self assesmemt or marked by a senior trader with a 100% or very high pass mark before you can procede to next level,where one could see how they are progressing.
The tests could consist of,PA-SR-TR-DSRI-PIN BARS -INSIDE BARS.BEEB-BEOB-ECT,ECT.
Also if each newbie could find a expierenced buddy who is allready on the PATH in the same...
I like the way the thread is except it is very long becoming longer every day.

This is one of the many problems of being a “popular” thread.

I make it worse by trying to answer each individual post so if I stopped doing that then it would be only half as long.

I would like to see some sort of tests available self assessment or marked by a senior trader with a 100% or very high pass mark before you can proceed to next level, where one could see how they are progressing.
The tests could consist of,PA-SR-TR-DSRI-PIN BARS -INSIDE BARS.BEEB-BEOB-ETC, ETC.

Good observation and this will be done when we move forward.

Also if each newbie could find a experienced buddy who is already on the PATH in the same country who could take him under his wing to guide and answer any questions

Will be an option when we move forward.

as I myself find it very hard to post on the thread because of lack of experience and confidence.

This thread is for YOU so don’t be afraid to post your thoughts.

As long as you have read and UNDERSTOOD the thread then you are qualified and experienced to post. DO IT!
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  • #8,800
  • Dec 31, 2009 3:14pm Dec 31, 2009 3:14pm
Quoting Spinner
Thanks Strat for this offer. I think others have already had their wise say.

I think it is inevitable that some people will come with funny systems, indics or whatever, and post them here. Ignoring them might be the easiest way, it doesn't consume precious space, time or energy.

As for myself, I think I enjoy examples and exercises on live data. Drawing attention to possible set ups opens them up for constructive discussion. Blackeagle's exercise was good, Alexandra's questions too. 'Tis a good way of getting very familiar with PASR and it's...
As for myself, I think I enjoy examples and exercises on live data. Drawing attention to possible set ups opens them up for constructive discussion. Blackeagle's exercise was good, Alexandra's questions too

Again, this is an educational thread so there will never be any live trades.

Potential trades and set ups (not all of them) will always be posted albeit in a cryptic and “wink wink, nudge, nudge, know what I mean” manner (sorry Lou).

Future developments may have this in a more structured manner.

What has to be very clear from the beginning imho, is that if anybody takes a trade based on these discussions or exercises: IT IS COMPLETELY THEIR RESPONSABILITY. Nobody forces anybody to press the trade button! As is with any trade taken. I think there is no need to expand on this.

A very valid point and worth repeating again but is taken care of by my DISCLAIMER on the 1st Page.

I would also like it if people were to mention the pair they are talking about in each post or even better post the chart. As I find myself wondering sometimes which pair they are talking about, the post referring to a past
post.

Agree. Also for those who print out the thread, would it be better to post only charts with a white background (to save on the ink jet “rip off”)?

I'm going to be on and off for a few weeks as I'm travelling, but will certainly be back.

Sounds to me like you’ve gone First Footin’ with a lump of coal in one hand and a single malt in the other! Lang may yer lum reek, Spinner!
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