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  • Nov 25, 2009 12:52pm Nov 25, 2009 12:52pm
  •  HiddenGap
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tfflyer;

All three show the mark up on increasing volume with the next candle down.

On the IBFX & Duka feed, the next candle has increasing volume on a narrower spread. This is a squat and a sign of weakness. On the futures, the volume decreases on this next candle, but the fact that it is down does show that some supply entered on the prior (Mark Up) candle.

Now things get really interesting.

On IBFX three (3) candles later there is a narrow range down candle on increasing volume. This is a Squat. This candle is making a lower low and not a higher high as it closes down. Thus this is a bullish candle.

On Duka it is a bit harder to see (the chart), but it looks like the same situation here.

On the futures, things are different. The narrow range squat comes after two (2) candles. That is to say, it comes a candle earlier than on the other two feeds. The next candle, which would be the third, is a NO Supply as it has volume less than the previous two candles on a narrow (NR4) range down candle. So while the other two are showing support coming in (buying), futures is showing a lack of selling (supply).

If two different traders were to look at one chart, like the IBFX, they could come to different conclusions. If the same trader was looking at two different charts, like the IBFX and futures, the trader would come to the same conclusion. With the futures the path is slightly different but the destination is the same.

In the end all anyone can do is trade what they see.
Wyckoff VSA: (1) Supply v Demand (2) Effort v Result (3) Cause v Effect
 
 
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  •  tfflyer
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Thank You HiddenGap for comments,
also Your comments are as always - very inform for me and for others.

Thank You.

Best,
Tom

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tfflyer;

All three show the mark up on increasing volume with the next candle down.

On the IBFX & Duka feed, the next candle has increasing volume on a narrower spread. This is a squat and a sign of weakness. On the futures, the volume decreases on this next candle, but the fact that it is down does show that some supply entered on the prior (Mark Up) candle.

Now things get really interesting.

On IBFX three (3) candles later there is a narrow range down candle on increasing volume. This is a Squat. This candle is making a lower low and not...
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  •  malcolmb14
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a bit late to the party , but in uptrend like that I like to see low volume tests for entry , your one was on the yellow bar on the 15 min at 1.5023 , that would have still netted you an 80 pip trade and a VERY safe one at that

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hi, can you please help me find which of the follow situations provide a good entry in eur/usd, 15 min chart. i did'nt find a valid entry and i'm curious about your opinion.

blue square it's first attempt to break the resistance; high vol/narrow spread and next candles make higher highs at narrow spread/lower vol => no demand;
olive square it's the second attempt we have a buying climax( i think...) but the next candle who suppose to confirm had very high vol wich made me worry..
orange square it's the attempt to break the...
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hi, can you please help me find which of the follow situations provide a good entry in eur/usd, 15 min chart. i did'nt find a valid entry and i'm curious about your opinion.

blue square it's first attempt to break the resistance; high vol/narrow spread and next candles make higher highs at narrow spread/lower vol => no demand;
olive square it's the second attempt we have a buying climax( i think...) but the next candle who suppose to confirm had very high vol wich made me worry..
orange square it's the attempt to break the...
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I'll take a shot at a couple of them.

First let me say that your personal trading style matters. You really need to know what it is you are looking for and where it is you want to see it.

plume square: From my perspective the first thing to note is there is a key change in the supply/demand dynamic via a WRB. I want to see certain things within (primary) or around (secondary) this area.
Now suppose I used a MA. I would love to see price find support or resistance at that MA. Moreover, I would like that support or resistance to be coming on low volume. That is to say, I would like to see No Demands, Tests, or No Supply candles at the MA. This is the case here. The double arrow points to a really nice No Supply candle just slightly off the MA. The next candle closes up (confirming the no demand) and has increased volume. It trades lower and hits the MA but closes on its high.

If you are looking for signal around the MA, then it was indeed there.

orange square: From your post, it appears that you do notice that the white candle is pushing thru a resistance, or supply, area. VSA tells us that a move thru a resistance area usually will need to come on increasing volume as it did here. The high volume will, however need to be TESTED. The double arrow here points to a test. Note that this test is back on the resistance line, which has now become support. In truth, some may see this test as no supply. Either way, the volume is low as price falls and hits the prior resistance line. This is a screaming buy.

Note that the next candle makes a slightly lower low and not a higher high. It appears to trade up but closes in its middle on volume less than the previous two candles. This would be the hidden test.

olive square: Again, trading style is key. I say this because the important price action happens below the MA. The question becomes do you take buy signals when price is blow the MA, or only when price is above?

The arrow points to a low volume candle hitting the support line. Generally speaking, this is what one wants to see at a support line-volume drying up as price hits the line means the SM is not actively trying to push price thru the area. This means the area is much more likely to hold.

In this particular case we see no selling pressure. The very next candle engulfs it on increasing volume (I could be wrong the candles are a bit small). This action is happening where one might want to see it-a support line.

From a VSA point of view, it may not be the best entry. In my opinion, the best entry from a pure VSA perspective is in the orange square. This is because it starts with high volume. Even though markets usually don't like high volume up candles, the volume here is bullish. Since volume is activity, we can see that the SM is active and bullish as they push price thru supply and the bullish of the market is confirmed on a low volume down bar and a hidden test.
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  •  s21
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malcolm, hidden gap you guys are the best. i really appreciate your time spending here to help us guys, your commentaries really helped me and make me see things more clearly. i'm using a more complex system do define areas of support and resistance not just the MA but to get the things i need i have to work on 3 different brokers and platforms, and at the moment was easier for me to attach mt4 platform. i'm at the page 170 of the thread and i'm catching you guys;-)
good luck, sorin.
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Your Girlfriend.(mal--your mistress..lol)
Your Office.

May all Your dreams come True.

Happy thanksGiving everyone..
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Your Girlfriend.(mal--your mistress..lol)
Your Office.

May all Your dreams come True.

Happy thanksGiving everyone..
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oddly enough the man cave does look a little like that .. big desk 6 x 22 ' screen , one x 30 " for xbox , lol

the girl friend does not look like that though ......
Blogging daily now at www.volume.zone
 
 
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Den, You are talking about Distribution. What is signs of Distribution what You see on GU ? Thanks.

Best,
Tom
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Tom,

on this time frame most of the distribution happened on down bars, only at the end there were up bars on smaller spread and high volume. It was not clear where to sell until the end

I attached screenshot with my story of the bars

Den
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  • Nov 25, 2009 7:42pm Nov 25, 2009 7:42pm
  •  tfflyer
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Hello Den,
thank You for picture with explanation!
Will take some notes as always.

Thanks!

Best,
Tom


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Tom,

on this time frame most of the distribution happened on down bars, only at the end there were up bars on smaller spread and high volume. It was not clear where to sell until the end

I attached screenshot with my story of the bars

Den
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  • Nov 28, 2009 5:16pm Nov 28, 2009 5:16pm
  •  5abi
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A question to the VSA pros- as we have a test of supply, can there also be a test of "demand"?

Please post a chart or an example.

5abi
Its all in the mind.
 
 
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A question to the VSA pros- as we have a test of supply, can there also be a test of "demand"?

Please post a chart or an example.

5abi
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Of course; I'm pretty sure there have been a good few examples of this in the thread.

No need for a chart... just find an example of No-Supply and turn your screen upside-down... exactly the same thing...


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  • Nov 29, 2009 7:46pm Nov 29, 2009 7:46pm
  •  5abi
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Thank you.

Another question from the chart below- Please see the yellow lines on the bar and volume bar- that is a GBP-JPY 5 Minute- I would have taken that long trade as it is pretty clear to me that is SM buying on a downwards move. As a result, would have suffered a loss. So what do the vsa expers think- would you have taken this long here?

This bar is there in EUR-JPY as well for the same time frame on that day.

-5abi

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Of course; I'm pretty sure there have been a good few examples of this in the thread.

No need for a chart... just find an example of No-Supply and turn your screen upside-down... exactly the same thing...


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Thank you.

Another question from the chart below- Please see the yellow lines on the bar and volume bar- that is a GBP-JPY 5 Minute- I would have taken that long trade as it is pretty clear to me that is SM buying on a downwards move. As a result, would have suffered a loss. So what do the vsa expers think- would you have taken this long here?

This bar is there in EUR-JPY as well for the same time frame on that day.

-5abi
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Not an expert here but one observation is that on that down move where you said SM was buying, the volume was increasing. So, increasing volume on a down move=bearish not bullish.

Just the one thing I see, but am sure there are a bunch more-will leave that for the real experts to point out

Actually just saw one other thing; the two upbars to the left of the red vertical line look like low volume tests to the upside; again would be bearish if I'm getting it right...
 
 
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Thanks. My take on this was that if this was in-fact selling on high volume, the next bar should have also been lower or atleast higher on low volume. But it appears that the next bar closed, not only higher, but also on a high volume.

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Not an expert here but one observation is that on that down move where you said SM was buying, the volume was increasing. So, increasing volume on a down move=bearish not bullish.

Just the one thing I see, but am sure there are a bunch more-will leave that for the real experts to point out

Actually just saw one other thing; the two upbars to the left of the yellow line look like low volume tests to the upside; again would be bearish if I'm getting it right...
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Thanks. My take on this was that if this was in-fact selling on high volume, the next bar should have also been lower or atleast higher on low volume. But it appears that the next bar closed, not only higher, but also on a high volume.
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Yah again I'm still learning, but maybe it would have given a clearer picture on a different TF. I've been trying to use M15 as primary, have M30 up for bigger picture, then use M5 for entries.
 
 
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Thanks. My take on this was that if this was in-fact selling on high volume, the next bar should have also been lower or atleast higher on low volume. But it appears that the next bar closed, not only higher, but also on a high volume.
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trend on this time frame is down. you saw stopping volume on 5m but did not wait for the trend to stop. stopping volume was not enough on this time frame to stop the down trend on 5m. By down trend I mean several bars with lower highs and lower lows.

on higher time frame there may be no down trend but there is also no signal.

you have to create rules for yourself how to use diferent time frames with VSA and how to enter the market. then you will have more clarity.
 
 
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Thank you.

Another question from the chart below- Please see the yellow lines on the bar and volume bar- that is a GBP-JPY 5 Minute- I would have taken that long trade as it is pretty clear to me that is SM buying on a downwards move. As a result, would have suffered a loss. So what do the vsa expers think- would you have taken this long here?

This bar is there in EUR-JPY as well for the same time frame on that day.

-5abi
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old bottom.
 
 
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Hello.

I would like to hear some comments.

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Best,
Tom
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Hello.

I would like to hear some comments.

Attaching picture.

Best,
Tom
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Tom,
my point of view on all this:

1. area #2 had distribution
2. supply on the down move #3 is clear and nice.
3. demand on up move #4 is less then supply on down move #3.
4. the down bar before your entry bar broke up trend on that time frame. now you are buying as new down trend begins.
5. now if you compare volume, spread and close on the bar you entered with the previous down bar you will see that the bar you bought had too much supply in it; otherwise it must close above previous down bar. your bar had volume twice bigger then on previous down bar but it did not go anywhere. The move up on this bar was stopped/caped by sellers.

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Hello.

I would like to hear some comments.

Attaching picture.

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Tom
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Some thoughts, Tom...
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