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  • #4,401
  • Oct 1, 2009 12:31pm Oct 1, 2009 12:31pm
Question about seeing kumo future. The amount of the cloud that I see projected into the future seems to be very small compared to all the images that I see. I use the default settings. Is there a button or something I need to have pressed to see the whole thing?

Thanks,

FkFx
...could this be the reason for all my problems lol Not likely
  • #4,402
  • Oct 1, 2009 12:34pm Oct 1, 2009 12:34pm
Quoting ichidakiller
How many were official full setups?
Post 4387 is one I did, theres an example there
  • #4,403
  • Oct 1, 2009 12:40pm Oct 1, 2009 12:40pm
Quoting fkforex
Question about seeing kumo future. The amount of the cloud that I see projected into the future seems to be very small compared to all the images that I see. I use the default settings. Is there a button or something I need to have pressed to see the whole thing?

Thanks,

FkFx
...could this be the reason for all my problems lol Not likely
Metatrader?
Right click, chart properties, common, select chart shift.
  • #4,404
  • Oct 1, 2009 12:43pm Oct 1, 2009 12:43pm
Quoting fkforex
Question about seeing kumo future. The amount of the cloud that I see projected into the future seems to be very small compared to all the images that I see. I use the default settings. Is there a button or something I need to have pressed to see the whole thing?

Thanks,

FkFx
...could this be the reason for all my problems lol Not likely
Hi Fk,

The button is highlighted in a red box.

This button shifts the chart across to the range end.

The one immediately left of that is that one that keeps refreshing the page to the latest candle when selected rather than letting your scroll back through the previous price action.

Cheers.
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  • #4,405
  • Oct 1, 2009 12:46pm Oct 1, 2009 12:46pm
Can anyone refresh me on any setups we are currently waiting on

Thanks

  • #4,406
  • Oct 1, 2009 12:49pm Oct 1, 2009 12:49pm
Thanks guys. Hope you've all had a good day so far
  • #4,407
  • Oct 1, 2009 1:19pm Oct 1, 2009 1:19pm
This is a situation that comes up often. The actual cross here on EURJPY is in the kumo here so we're not looking to sell short yet but it looks like it might be a while until it retests the Ts if at all. So, do we wait for a retest and then look for 5min entries despite the lack of a valid cross under the cloud? The Ts and Ks have actually exited the cloud so does this complete the signal? The cloud is pretty thin though but it has passed support from the previous few days. However, the 5min chart has had a perfect run down for over 100pips with a few possible add to positions as well. The problem entering at this point is the price has already moved and of course higher TF clouds now show a retrace.
There are so many ifs and buts that I can only put up examples to clarify my understanding - sorry!
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  • #4,408
  • Oct 1, 2009 1:39pm Oct 1, 2009 1:39pm
Quoting SanMiguel
This is a situation that comes up often. The actual cross here on EURJPY is in the kumo here so we're not looking to sell short yet but it looks like it might be a while until it retests the Ts if at all...
There are so many ifs and buts that I can only put up examples to clarify my understanding - sorry!

Hey SM,

I think that would have been a strong candidate for a Kumo Break out trade.

http://www.kumotrader.com/ichimoku_w..._THIS_FIRST.21

WARNING, Kumo breakout isnt per Vic's guidelines, so exercise caution.
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  • #4,409
  • Oct 1, 2009 2:02pm Oct 1, 2009 2:02pm
Here's a trade I placed yesterday that got stopped out but not sure where I went wrong.
Here we see the 1hr cross on the 1hr chart so from here on I am looking for short opportunities on the lower timeframes - I should have got in at the cross but I wasn't about but the cross only has to occur once and we can jump in on the hopefully continuing trend.

So, I get in at the circled point on the 15min timeframe. Price retraces to the Ts and then closes below, I go short. It seems I sold at the bottom of the trend but I couldn't have known that at the time could I?
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  • #4,410
  • Oct 1, 2009 2:08pm Oct 1, 2009 2:08pm
Quoting panhandler
Hey SM,

I think that would have been a strong candidate for a Kumo Break out trade.

http://www.kumotrader.com/ichimoku_w..._THIS_FIRST.21

WARNING, Kumo breakout isnt per Vic's guidelines, so exercise caution.
I was just backtesting that very thing before you posted, kumo breakouts with stop the other side of the kumo. Actually, specifically Ks breakouts of the kumo.
  • #4,411
  • Oct 1, 2009 2:09pm Oct 1, 2009 2:09pm
I don't get it. Why would you get in at that point? There was no cross on the 15M chart and CS was above the price curve. It was clearly a bad trade.


Quoting SanMiguel
Here's a trade I placed yesterday that got stopped out but not sure where I went wrong.
Here we see the 1hr cross on the 1hr chart so from here on I am looking for short opportunities on the lower timeframes - I should have got in at the cross but I wasn't about but the cross only has to occur once and we can jump in on the hopefully continuing trend.

So, I get in at the circled point on the 15min timeframe. Price retraces to the Ts and then closes below, I go short. It seems I sold at the bottom of the trend but I couldn't have known that at the...
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  • #4,412
  • Oct 1, 2009 2:19pm Oct 1, 2009 2:19pm
Quoting antonioforex
I don't get it. Why would you get in at that point? There was no cross on the 15M chart and CS was above the price curve. It was clearly a bad trade.
Sorry the circle should be a few periods later where the actual Ts/Ks cross occurs. The CS was below the price curve at the time (it is 26 periods back), what you can see on the chart is today's CS span.
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  • #4,413
  • Oct 1, 2009 2:24pm Oct 1, 2009 2:24pm
Im signing off now so goodnight all !

but before I go i just wanted to point out the if any one does the AUDNZD we are just waiting currently for the H4 to go bearish and head south through the Kumo and then I might be looking to short on the M5.

ab1.....OUT !
  • #4,414
  • Oct 1, 2009 2:31pm Oct 1, 2009 2:31pm
Personally, I still wouldn't have taken that trade since that cross wasn't very clear. At the time of that cross both TS and KS were flat. I only take clear trades, where TS is crossing KS from above or below. I do not take anything in between. Again, that is just my own approach.

Quoting SanMiguel
Sorry the circle should be a few periods later where the actual Ts/Ks cross occurs. The CS was below the price curve at the time (it is 26 periods back), what you can see on the chart is today's CS span.
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  • #4,415
  • Oct 1, 2009 2:37pm Oct 1, 2009 2:37pm
Quoting SanMiguel
I was just backtesting that very thing before you posted, kumo breakouts with stop the other side of the kumo. Actually, specifically Ks breakouts of the kumo.
Whats the success rate looking like? and what T/F and Pairs are you looking at?
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  • #4,416
  • Oct 1, 2009 2:45pm Oct 1, 2009 2:45pm
i have seen you guys talking about the Kumo Breakout

this is a very good point i have been testing it myself for a while but only on the daily frame , and the results were good, but as usual we can't use one Ichi indicator and leave the others, the picture will not be clear unless we have all the elements, cause sometimes we see a lot of false breakouts , check the pictures and i think everything will be clear

cheers
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  • #4,417
  • Oct 1, 2009 2:49pm Oct 1, 2009 2:49pm
Quoting vic_elc
i have seen you guys talking about the Kumo Breakout

this is a very good point i have been testing it myself for a while but only on the daily frame , and the results were good, but as usual we can't use one Ichi indicator and leave the others, the picture will not be clear unless we have all the elements, cause sometimes we see a lot of false breakouts , check the pictures and i think everything will be clear

cheers
Have you had a look at when the Ks exits the cloud instead of the price? Sometimes that means price is too far away so there are advantages and disadvantages.
Ts above Ks, Ks exits cloud long.
Ts below Ks, Ks exits cloud short.
It gets you in near the start of the trend if it works. Or perhaps a Ts exit?

I think another alternative is a cloud exit by the candle, with retrace to the Ks or kumo, then enter.
  • #4,418
  • Oct 1, 2009 3:20pm Oct 1, 2009 3:20pm
Quoting SanMiguel
Have you had a look at when the Ks exits the cloud instead of the price? Sometimes that means price is too far away so there are advantages and disadvantages.
Ts above Ks, Ks exits cloud long.
Ts below Ks, Ks exits cloud short.
It gets you in near the start of the trend if it works. Or perhaps a Ts exit?

I think another alternative is a cloud exit by the candle, with retrace to the Ks or kumo, then enter.
I've been watching ichimoku daily for the last couple of years , i think you can use each single line as an entry and the others as stop, it is fantastic what these lines do, some people work only on the Cs breaking the Price Curve or the kumo and use the Kumo as a stop, i think any one of us can make his own strategy using Ichi, but i love the complete picture cause it is the sum of all the other strategies, ONE RING TO RULE THEM ALL lol.
enjoy live with ichimoku
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  • #4,419
  • Oct 1, 2009 3:28pm Oct 1, 2009 3:28pm
Does anyone ever trade the future senkou span cross? I have been looking at it on the M30 and it doesn't look too bad as long as you keep the big picture in mind. If so please impart any wisdom.
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  • #4,420
  • Oct 1, 2009 3:32pm Oct 1, 2009 3:32pm
Quoting panhandler
Does anyone ever trade the future senkou span cross? I have been looking at it on the M30 and it doesn't look too bad as long as you keep the big picture in mind. If so please impart any wisdom.
Hey Panhandler
welcome back , if you check my last post you will see an example of the Cs crossing , this is a famous strategy using Ichi, do you like more examples ??!!

cheers
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