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  • #4,601
  • Sep 4, 2009 5:09am Sep 4, 2009 5:09am
Quoting fxachilies
what!! are you kidding me.. I know for a fact that you have not read the whole thread and absurb the simple fact of it from the questions that you are asking..
are u tring to fool me and waist everyones time? now that considers being mean..
you simply have not the numours posts by I and feb about the losing part of this style.... losing should be part of your agenda.. ohhhhh.. ya you did not read that.. or you read it and not absurbed it.. so read and reread until you get it..

I don't mean to be harsh but this is unbeliveble..


Hey man who do you think you are?
It`s not the first time you are showing really
bad attitude.

BTW no need to answer my post.
  • #4,602
  • Sep 4, 2009 5:13am Sep 4, 2009 5:13am
Hi oleevier,

if you have any questions you can pm me.

I`m not posting in this thread , but I know it from the start.

Molotov


  • #4,603
  • Sep 4, 2009 5:14am Sep 4, 2009 5:14am
Quoting oleevier
fxachilies
I appreciate your great work with this thread , live examples , charts , trading comments , effort .

but sometimes u damp the enthusiasm.
sometimes much easier and quicker is to just give short answer not to repeat "read whole thread" ... its simple

i have nothing to u personaly , i appreciate ur effort.

not to make full offtopic i sent actual chart

i think need to better set sl (even 4 pips above fcr )
it could work very nicly
listen my dear friend..
if I give you quick answers i be doing you a harm.. (you think i couldn't give you a short cut and refere you to post this or post.. think about it..) you may not understand that now but at some point if you stick with this you will..
this is about making money and rest comes after that..

just do the ground work its for your own benefit..
i would know from your question and your charts where your mind and development process is.. and when is necessary i will help you to death as i have done it for planty of people here..
  • #4,604
  • Sep 4, 2009 5:15am Sep 4, 2009 5:15am
Quoting jplo
Hey Darek,
You are so quiet today....
I miss a lot your trades
Waiting for the news to play your planned game, ain't?
Good luck buddy , and please, let us know how it goes...
I'm just in my second trade today, ... first one was usual Sydney close for 21 pips (it becomes a regular payment from Mr.Market kind of royalty income)
next trade short was going against me, but now is fine ... almost done ...
I'll post my trades later on ...
  • #4,605
  • Sep 4, 2009 5:19am Sep 4, 2009 5:19am
Quoting molotov
Hi oleevier,

if you have any questions you can pm me.

I`m not posting in this thread , but I know it from the start.

Molotov

thx for ur offer. im sure will use this way of help
i like posting charts coz want to get reply-comment
i use sight mostly to learn , its is the fastest way to learn for me
  • #4,606
  • Sep 4, 2009 5:20am Sep 4, 2009 5:20am
Quoting molotov
Hi oleevier,

if you have any questions you can pm me.

I`m not posting in this thread , but I know it from the start.

Molotov

here we go another dumbass flapping his mouth..
your missing the whole point of my discussion with oleevire and the rest of newbies.. its out of care.. and for there own good..

no reason that your still stick in the mud molotov..
don't start with me, i will demolish you if you disrespect me again.. you have not done shit for this thread.. so just shut your mouth.
  • #4,607
  • Sep 4, 2009 5:23am Sep 4, 2009 5:23am
Quoting oleevier
fxachilies
I appreciate your great work with this thread , live examples , charts , trading comments , effort .

but sometimes u damp the enthusiasm.
sometimes much easier and quicker is to just give short answer not to repeat "read whole thread" ... its simple

i have nothing to u personaly , i appreciate ur effort.

not to make full offtopic i sent actual chart

i think need to better set sl (even 4 pips above fcr )
it could work very nicly
From my point of view, SL should be located 2 or 3 pips above higher high on the first FCR, if you are trading this last 123 to the downside, should be placed 2,3 pips above the high of the retracement...

In case you have 2 fractals within 5, 6, 7 pips of difference between, is better to force price to show its real color setting SL above the higher/lower point...
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  • #4,608
  • Sep 4, 2009 5:25am Sep 4, 2009 5:25am
hey http://cdn.forexfactory.com/nfs/cust...tar97464_4.gif DareXau

awaiting your charts---i want to know more about the Sydney close---royalty payments are a good thing!
I know where I am----I just don't know where I'm going!
  • #4,609
  • Sep 4, 2009 5:29am Sep 4, 2009 5:29am
Quoting jplo
From my point of view, SL should be located 2 or 3 pips above higher high on the first FCR, if you are trading this last 123 to the downside, should be placed 2,3 pips above the high of the retracement...

In case you have 2 fractals within 5, 6, 7 pips of difference between, is better to force price to show its real color setting SL above the higher/lower point...

good stuff u r saying
i wrong calculated spread , my broker just close my trade , i left 2 pips room above high of retramenent but it was taken by broker
  • #4,610
  • Sep 4, 2009 5:32am Sep 4, 2009 5:32am
... if someone has bad attitude after constantly answering to the same and the same stupid questions about shortcuts,
please, ask yourself, ... how you gonna handle this over and over again.
There isn't other way around it, you have to read the whole bloody thread ... too long, well bad luck it's going to be even longer.
  • #4,611
  • Edited 5:49am Sep 4, 2009 5:33am | Edited 5:49am
Quoting DareXau
I'm just in my second trade today, ... first one was usual Sydney close for 21 pips (it becomes a regular payment from Mr.Market kind of royalty income)
next trade short was going against me, but now is fine ... almost done ...
I'll post my trades later on ...
Your Country loves you Darek,
It always gives you nice profits....
By the way, what time do you usually take those trades?....
  • #4,612
  • Sep 4, 2009 5:59am Sep 4, 2009 5:59am
Hi newbies!
I'm newby in this thread too.
Fx is doing great job. You have to be thankful for him giving you his knowledge! And please never asked things that are written in the thread. What is 123, what is FCR, why I lose money, when I have to enter a trade, when I have to exit a trade... It looks like you are 13 years old and asking your mother where is my socks, where is my pants, when I can go outside, when I have to sleep?



Read the whole thread please and put evrything in your stupid heads. IF you forgot THEN reread please....

P.S. sorry for my english...
Every moment in the market is unique.
  • #4,613
  • Sep 4, 2009 6:06am Sep 4, 2009 6:06am
Guys,

I’m not a great poster but today I’ve got toothache and it’s making me arsey so here goes.

Firstly this is not aimed at anyone in particular but more at a recurring theme that has developed over the last few weeks.

Bear in mind that FX and DX and some of the others trade for a living and when they selflessly give of their time to post charts or answer questions they are not trading and it potentially costs them money. So if you ask questions that have already been answered many times you may be costing them profit. It’s not a surprise if they sometimes get irritated. None of these people have to answer questions and we need to treat their generosity as the precious resource that it is.



My thoughts for newbies:

  1. This is a deceptively easy to understand way of trading and a deceptively difficult one to master
  2. This is a long thread and it’s getting longer by the day BUT it contains a great amount of wisdom and learning that you do need to appreciate in order to understand this way of trading. So read it, as FX has already said there are a lot of posts you can skip through. You need to invest time to make money, no ifs, buts or maybes.
  3. As you read, cut and paste the key posts into a document of your own to act as a reference.
  4. If you still don’t understand it, read it again, update your notes, follow peoples trades.
  5. Asking questions should be your last resort, not your first!
  6. If you have a question try and answer it yourself:

    1. Revisit your notes
    2. Reread the thread.
    3. Use the thread’s search tool (a great way to find out what an FCR is).
    4. If you still can’t find an answer don’t just table the question, table your brains as well. Put down your thought processes. For a good example see JPLO’s question, post #4582

  7. Everybody wants a bit of comfort on his or her first trade, but before asking is this right, wait and see if anybody else is taking the same trade. Maybe wait until FX, DX, Paul Langham and others post their trades for the day. If they took it then fine if not then ask the question but again put your brains on the table, explain why you thought it was a good trade and ask why didn’t they.

If we all follow these basic rules then two things will happen:
1). Nobody's time gets wasted.
2). The tread does not get even longer by being padded out with unnecessary posts. You think it’s hard to read all of it now, think of a newbie staring in three months time.

Sorry this is a long post, but who knows it might go some way to keeping the thread from getting even longer than it needs to.

D

Too tired to argue. Too old to care.
  • #4,614
  • Sep 4, 2009 6:10am Sep 4, 2009 6:10am
Quoting jplo
Your Country loves you Darek,
It always gives you nice profits....
By the way, what time do you usually take those trades?....
My new Country, 'cos I'm originally from Poland ... both of them love me dearly ... especially Tax Departments ...
Generally I'm starting day with Sydney/Tokyo open, but first trade depends on market condition, ... very often it's about 4-5 AM (GMT)
but some days giving a good opportunity much earlier than that ...
  • #4,615
  • Sep 4, 2009 6:16am Sep 4, 2009 6:16am
David!
you'r are great!
All newbies will be redirected to this post!

...Oh, I have to save it for me and others
Every moment in the market is unique.
  • #4,616
  • Sep 4, 2009 6:20am Sep 4, 2009 6:20am
guys I am a little pissed off.. and this might sound a bit harsh..

If people come in and asking me preliminary questions repeatedly (not pointing finger at anyone.. its to all dear newbies) and looking for shortcuts and expressing there obvious lazyness, then why should i have the tollorance and put my precious time at there disposal for free (not that i am asking for payments.. don't need it i am loaded).. I have repeatedly mentioned in numerous post recently that why i recommend to read the whole thread. 300pgs so fucking what?.. don't you wanna be wealthy? you go to college for four long ass years to earn dog shit living.. but here you don't want to put in the time for a week to really absurb things and to see at first if it even this shit will be a fit for you or not? instead just want to get into the action make money like me and dx. I mean tell me if I am being unresonable?.. its driving me nuts.. i don't even know why i care.. fuck it.. from now on I only help the people that i think is worthy.. period.. poeple who have commensense and there hardworks and are kind.

now.. about the above statment.. you don't like it.. or.. if you want to call it attitude or whatever fuck else, i simply don't give a flying fuck of what you think..
i appoligize in advance but unfortunatly maybe thats what it takes to get through to some people sometimes.
anyways I am out..
Good Luck.
  • #4,617
  • Sep 4, 2009 6:25am Sep 4, 2009 6:25am
FX-------BRAVO!! I would feel the same way if I were in your shoes!!
I know where I am----I just don't know where I'm going!
  • #4,618
  • Sep 4, 2009 6:27am Sep 4, 2009 6:27am
[quote=davidb;3023590]Guys,

I’m not a great poster but today I’ve got toothache and it’s making me arsey so here goes.........

Davidb,

An excellent post.... please, let us not forget what our goals are here..... to make money, to learn, to help others and to have fun(whenever possible). We are a bunch of humans linked by technology but with different personalities, culture, social status, financial situation, etc.. The one thing that is similar is that we all have, after years of conditioning is that we have developed a full size EGO, a sense of who we are and what we value, accept , reject or ignore.

So... here is a fourth key to success:
Put your EGO on hold and try to look and interpret the information here with a fresh mind.

This approach will help to keep this thread on the right track and be able to focus on the task at hand.

Best of luck to all




Unus pro omnibus, omnes pro uno
  • #4,619
  • Sep 4, 2009 6:46am Sep 4, 2009 6:46am
... OK, two trades so far ... less than one hour to NFP, so next trades in very intense fashion, but first the break from the screen and the market ... no trades
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  • #4,620
  • Sep 4, 2009 7:23am Sep 4, 2009 7:23am
Quoting davidb
Guys,

I’m not a great poster but today I’ve got toothache and it’s making me arsey so here goes.

Firstly this is not aimed at anyone in particular but more at a recurring theme that has developed over the last few weeks.

[font=Times New Roman][size=3]Bear in mind that FX and DX and some of the others trade for a living and when they selflessly give of their time to post charts or answer questions they are not...
Hi All,

Can I add my dimes’ worth to the debate please?

First thing, there are some very very good people on this thread who are excellent traders and who are giving their life’s knowledge away to the cause of helping others. How much better can it get than that for people? If you are a newcomer, whether an experienced trader or not acknowledge this fact, understand this is the real deal period.

Second point ,understand that whilst people can show you the way, only you the trader can undertake the necessary work and screen time to perfect the 1,23 and the FCR. It won’t come today, nor tomorrow, but it will come, one step at a time.

There is a temptation and human desire to want to rush everything and get to the end game before you have even got your sports kit on and run out onto the track (this is greed in a wolves clothing- it’s the same thing that kills people in the market) – it’s normal, but adopt some maturity and try and understand that and keep it in check. To help, try this, understand that the markets are always going to open tomorrow and that there will always be more trades, so take the time to learn, learn and learn. Progress slowly but surely.

Of course there will be questions, but as FX has said, read the thread first. If you are truly interested in finding the key to the door, then read it several times

Take a look at another successful trade Dare. Only the other day on this thread he mentioned that he had read it several times start to finish – ask yourself this, do you think the fact he has taken time out of his schedule to read the thread several times will make and difference to his ability to trade and affect his bottom line results ? The answer is YES. Surely the facts speak for themselves. Those that do the work will get rewarded; anyone who does not accept that there is a direct relationship would do better to find another career.

I am sitting on and off the thread throughout the day, checking over lunch and once the London and then new York opens have finished, but I don’t post that much , as I too and still learning the correct nuances of this method. Sure I know 1,2,3, who doesn’t, but an earlier poster said – davidb – this is subtle and it needs to be learnt.

I took the decision myself to get myself out of the thread during the day so that I would not become influenced by other’s posts – I then post at night after trading. Maybe this is an idea others could adopt. If there are questions it might also make it easier for FX and the others to answer them once the majority of trading is over, as they too have to trade for a living. I understand the frustration that FX has spilled out, but to anyone who is offended, please understand this he is a seriously genuine person, who as I said at the start of the thread is giving away his and Feb’s life’s knowledge to the cause of helping people. It doesn’t get better that that.
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