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  • #901
  • Aug 27, 2009 9:37am Aug 27, 2009 9:37am
Quoting ukcool
I know some people are taking the cross even if it is above the cloud, But if your looking at the 1min the cross has to be below the cloud for a reliable short trade. Let me know if I am wrong.
noo wayy , those are crazy people , how come you enter on a weak signal , man check it yourself, back test the chart and you will see how many false trade they have done, even if you are trading on 4Hrs never go with a weak signal,
are you trader or gambler ??!!!!!!!
  • #902
  • Aug 27, 2009 9:37am Aug 27, 2009 9:37am
Hi!

1H - price is below kumo and ts/ks is a death cross

1min - price cross below kumo and also cross down kijun sen and also tenkan sen if you look to the candle at 15:34 alpari time
and my oscillators are confirmed down and they are in hamony.

So I enter short at 15:35
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Being a fxtrader is not easy. Ones must working hard.
  • #903
  • Aug 27, 2009 9:41am Aug 27, 2009 9:41am
Quoting red01
Hi Vic, been reading this thread since you started and I want to thank you for all the information and help you've given us all.

Many thanks also to chngster and wolfan for the ideas and EA.

Now my trading is more selective and profitable.

Btw, just got 30pips on USD/CAD.
Congrats Red for being one of the winners , keep the good work up , trust your signal and never enter with no signal
keep doing this for the upcoming year you will end up on a nice beach with some beautiful girls around you and a new Ferrari in your new house
cheeers
  • #904
  • Aug 27, 2009 9:43am Aug 27, 2009 9:43am
Quoting sriloba
Hi!

1H - price is below kumo and ts/ks is a death cross

1min - price cross below kumo and also cross down kijun sen and also tenkan sen if you look to the candle at 15:34 alpari time
and my oscillators are confirmed down and they are in hamony.

So I enter short at 15:35
well done, but nothing is better than a clear chart with Ichi standing alone proud
haha , remove the MAs and the silly oscillators and you will be amazed with Ichi alone
keep the good work up
  • #905
  • Aug 27, 2009 9:47am Aug 27, 2009 9:47am
Quoting vic_elc
i can assure you that i love Ichi more than i love my girl friend , actually i trust Ichi more than i trust myself hehe
enjoyy
Looking at the EY charts, if we get the downward cross on 30min backed would you enter on a supporting sell signal in the 1M time frame? or would you be happy to enter on the 15min when it crosses down out of the kumo with 1min sell signal?

Thoughts?
  • #906
  • Aug 27, 2009 9:47am Aug 27, 2009 9:47am
Hi!

I am day to day trading full time. My higher time frame is 4 hour

1h and 15 min charts are my signal time frame and 5 min and 1 min charts are my pinpoint time frame because my SL is small like 34 pips.

So even a weak signal in a higher time frame I take it and I will ajust my expectations in taking pips.
Being a fxtrader is not easy. Ones must working hard.
  • #907
  • Aug 27, 2009 9:52am Aug 27, 2009 9:52am
Quoting sriloba
Hi!

I am day to day trading full time. My higher time frame is 4 hour

1h and 15 min charts are my signal time frame and 5 min and 1 min charts are my pinpoint time frame because my SL is small like 34 pips.

So even a weak signal in a higher time frame I take it and I will ajust my expectations in taking pips.
well if it is ok with you to go with your money on any signal , it's is not ok with me actually i'd like to put my money in a strong signal , am not ready to lose my friend hehe , think like a real trader not like a gambler
this is the advise i got from all the big boyzz i met through my journey no of them shown me a chart no one shown me a system all the time they used to say this, but if you are lucky then go with any signal i'll be happy for you having more green pips all the time
cheeers
  • #908
  • Aug 27, 2009 9:54am Aug 27, 2009 9:54am
Quoting 4xAddict
Looking at the EY charts, if we get the downward cross on 30min backed would you enter on a supporting sell signal in the 1M time frame? or would you be happy to enter on the 15min when it crosses down out of the kumo with 1min sell signal?

Thoughts?

yoooooo man you are reading ma mind or what ??!!! i was just asking myself the same now , but i think i'll go with the 30 mins cross and leave my deal for 100 pip not only 50 pip as usual .
but am still out if i did enter the deal i'll post it here
  • #909
  • Aug 27, 2009 9:58am Aug 27, 2009 9:58am
Hi! Vic,

Your advices are wonderful and I will change from now on my analysis.

Thanks a lot


Sriloba
Being a fxtrader is not easy. Ones must working hard.
  • #910
  • Aug 27, 2009 10:04am Aug 27, 2009 10:04am
Quoting vic_elc
yoooooo man you are reading ma mind or what ??!!! i was just asking myself the same now , but i think i'll go with the 30 mins cross and leave my deal for 100 pip not only 50 pip as usual .
but am still out if i did enter the deal i'll post it here
Vic,

Just shorted the GY, lines up on everything (3.02pm GMT).

I'm too much of a hack to be able to show the images yet but it has some promise.

Now to just cross the fingers.

Come on EY you're nearly there.

BTW - You guys are right about the UK/Europe session. It just seems to argue with the Asian session for the sake of it.
  • #911
  • Aug 27, 2009 10:13am Aug 27, 2009 10:13am
Quoting sriloba
Hi! Vic,

Your advices are wonderful and I will change from now on my analysis.

Thanks a lot


Sriloba
am sorry if my words are tough , but this is the real world and am not happy it is like this , i wish i was lucky and the price goes in my direction all the time , but am not that kind of man , i tried my luck for a year and i lost keep it up man , it is just a matter of time and we all will met on one of us private island and enjoying the lovely beaches and girls
keep the good work up
wish you all the luck
  • #912
  • Aug 27, 2009 10:19am Aug 27, 2009 10:19am
hi Wolfan,

Note of thanks for ichi monitor 1.3.

Helps me reconfirm everything really quickly.

Nice going.
  • #913
  • Aug 27, 2009 10:22am Aug 27, 2009 10:22am
Quoting 4xAddict
Vic,

Just shorted the GY, lines up on everything (3.02pm GMT).
BTW - You guys are right about the UK/Europe session. It just seems to argue with the Asian session for the sake of it.
Wish you luck with the GY trade, and about the European session one of the big boyyz once told me something and i do believe him
--------------------Q----------------------
DON'T trade during these times of the day. The big money don't trade like we do." This is their moment of fight! Let them enjoy it! The big money don't use chart or indicator or whatever you can imagine. They are analysing the economic data and expectation of the news. when they have a good picture of this they just click buy or sell. These guys are just looking at the price and targgeting round numbers. They are not trading the trend, they are making the trend.
--------------------UQ---------------------

always remember those words , i printed them and put them in front of my eyes like my TO DO list

keep it up big boyzzz
  • #914
  • Aug 27, 2009 10:38am Aug 27, 2009 10:38am
Vic,

I was wondering about quite a few of the moves where the tenkan and the kijun cross above the cloud for by definition would be a weak bearish move and continue through the cloud at a pretty steady pace. A good example would be the move we just had on the 5M E/J where it started at about the 133.75 all the way down to 133.20 area. Is there any way to get in on this move ? Even as it breaks the bottom of the cloud without a cross ? should we go to a lower chart when it breaks the bottom and then look for a cross ? I was just wanted to know if there was a safe way to enter a trade like this whether it was bearish above the kumo or bullish below the kumo.

TIA
L
  • #915
  • Aug 27, 2009 11:22am Aug 27, 2009 11:22am
Quoting lionsden
Vic,

I was wondering about quite a few of the moves where the tenkan and the kijun cross above the cloud for by definition would be a weak bearish move and continue through the cloud at a pretty steady pace. A good example would be the move we just had on the 5M E/J where it started at about the 133.75 all the way down to 133.20 area. Is there any way to get in on this move ? Even as it breaks the bottom of the cloud without a cross ? should we go to a lower chart when it breaks the bottom and then look for a cross ? I was just wanted to know...
Lionsden you are very smart , and you are watching the thread for a while now , i hope you really did enjoy it , i'll give you some extra ways to think when using Ichi

Well if we can think about the signals provided by ichi we can think about 3 main signals
-Tenken+Kijun Crossing
-Cloud Break ( up or down )
-Chikou Span crossing the price curve

the example you provided i'll analyse it in the pic
-Weak Kijun and tenken cross as the black circle
-Weak Span signal ( still above the price curve )
-Price still above the curve

so far there are no deals

at the red circles the price broke the Kumo and the Span broke the price curve , so this means that the weak signals we have at the beginning started to get stronger ,we can go with the Kumo break in the price direction and our stop will always be the other edge of the kumo, i dont go with this on 5 Mins chart this can only be done on higher TFs
hope it is clear now
wishing you the best
cheers
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  • #916
  • Edited 12:18pm Aug 27, 2009 11:54am | Edited 12:18pm
Quoting lionsden
Vic,

I was wondering about quite a few of the moves where the tenkan and the kijun cross above the cloud for by definition would be a weak bearish move and continue through the cloud at a pretty steady pace
TIA
L
adding to my previous words we have another example of cloud break out in EJ 4 hrs shown in the pic

-Neutral tenken+kijun cross
-Price broke the cloud
-Span is fighting the Price curve

so we have to wait till the Span confirm the move and then we can go with the deal

P.s. my money still young so it is hard for me to go with the deal cause the risk will be so high as the SL will be far from the entry point

enjoyy Ichiii
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  • #917
  • Aug 27, 2009 3:16pm Aug 27, 2009 3:16pm
Big Boyzzz
i'll have some sleep till the dragons are on , meet you again during the Japanese session , keep it up , keep posting , i'll try to answer all of your questions when am back
cheeeers
  • #918
  • Aug 27, 2009 4:29pm Aug 27, 2009 4:29pm
Great thread Vic! Ive been trading the dailies in my free time using PA & S/R but have been experimenting with different systems for scalping lower time frames and Ichi seems pretty interesting.

This was my first trade with Ichi.

This was the only good set up signal i saw today while watching the EURUSD. (The white circle is where i bought)

Let me know if i got the setup signal correct... Thanks.
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  • #919
  • Aug 27, 2009 4:51pm Aug 27, 2009 4:51pm
Quoting vic_elc
Big Boyzzz
i'll have some sleep till the dragons are on , meet you again during the Japanese session , keep it up , keep posting , i'll try to answer all of your questions when am back
cheeeers
When using the smaller TF's, Do you only trade in the direction of the main trend shown on a higher TF of 30 or higher? Can you explain what you mean by "Price still above the curve." I think I understand everything except for that. This is when the black line (span) is.... ? TIA.
  • #920
  • Aug 27, 2009 6:19pm Aug 27, 2009 6:19pm
Quoting BJ1
When using the smaller TF's, Do you only trade in the direction of the main trend shown on a higher TF of 30 or higher? Can you explain what you mean by "Price still above the curve." I think I understand everything except for that. This is when the black line (span) is.... ? TIA.
since Vic is dreaming of dragons I'll try to answer your question
the strong signal rule dictates that you fulfill the three conditions
1-price above or below the cloud , (long/short)
2-Tenkan crosses kijun ( red crosses blue ) in the direction of the trend (from down up for long and vice versa for short)
3-Chikou Span is above/below the price curve
and since you are using 5M TF then you need to confirm it with two higher TF. same goes if you are trading the 1H or D1 TF.
as for the second part of your question:
-Weak (Chikou) Span signal ( still above the price curve ) means the chikou line is above the candles
-Price still above the curve (I think he meant here that the price is above the cloud or kumo)
I hope this clears up your confusion.
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