Lower back pain and your forex chair...

i Just stumbled across this post.

Fatboy,

Use the mckenzie protocols to strengthen and stabilize your low back (lumbars). The lack of core stability is chewing up your lumbar spine. It was designed for muscle attachment and to protect your nervous system, not support the weight of your body all day in an office chair. Use the gym ball, strengthen your core muscles with ab work (in your book), and be more active. Your inactivity is causing your low back pain.

Dr. McD

The Aeron is too expensive? You've bought 3 chairs so far plus some other junk and you can't walk. How expensive is your health?

I've had my Aeron for 7+ years and it's still as comfortable as the day I bought it.

Two words - "Lumbar Support"

Essential.

I have a bad back and there isn't much you can do about it when you put your back out of whack. I've found that hydro therapy sessions once a week really help out alot but the only place that they have them that i know of are on the las vegas strip which i don't live anywhere near. Their actually called aquamessage or something like that. It really helps much more than a regular message if you can locate the area the needs to loosen up. After got an aquamessage I felt like I was walking on air and with no pains but within 3days to a few weeks my pains come back. I've had a wide variety of injuries because i've played sports including football so my back is in bad shape. Everyone thought I was this tall sissy in school so I ended up accepting alot of fights which didn't bear well for my body lol. I had to lie to employers so i could get jobs that required i have a clean bill of health. the problem with the back is it's a very complex muscle group and once injured it tends to stick with you. You can try various things but the pain usually comes back so there's no quick fix. Exercise, stretching (sometimes stretching your hamstrings which pulls on the back helps and sometimes your neck because your neck pulls on your back as well), and the various other things mentioned will help but you will always have to cater to the pains and live with them. I sometimes chew on chayenne pepper to help with pain and use ginger such as in ginger tea which helps with swollen muscles and pains.

Excellent motivation to trade harder/wiser. Only the matter of if your back breaks first or you get that $10,000 first. No pain no gain

hi

can someone post a pic of what kind of excercise ball this thread is talking about, to use for sitting, to help with back pain.

I am never completely comfortable sitting, or lying down.

My lower back is weak. It always feels weak.

Ive been going to the gym for over a year, and it hasnt helped.
I just do cardio, cross trainer, cycling, and light machine weights.
Just to burn calories and feel stronger.

When i use a cushion to support lower back on chair, that feels better.

Our GYM has big round BOSU excersise balls, are these the ones i should try sitting on when on my computer?

when im sitting at desk, i often arch my back backwards now and then, which feels better temporarily. I tend to slouch slightly when at computer.

Even when i walk, im slightly slouched, always have been i think.
My lower back has always felt a bit thin and weak.

Shall i concentrate on building back muscles when i go to gym?
Heavy weight training for lower back?

thanks for any advice.

Why use a chair at all? If it were me I'd just get a tall desk and work standing up.

If you're getting back-ache, you are simply spending too much time in front of the charts!

Which was a attack at CyroPractors and then used again in the other show the tall bloke went into, taking it out stopped giving him a numb butt at the cinema

You've got to perfect your slouch and then adapt to it, easy


Get a Palm Pilot, or a I-Phone or the Touch, run VNC Software then you can walk around the house using the Wi-Fi ( Further way using the 3G signal and I-phone ) to remotely control the PC and watch your charts.

Like England33 I had a bad back through too much football etc. It totally went twice, the second time it took me an hour to get out of bed in agonising pain, had to crawl down the stairs backwards, pee in a bucket because I couldn]t stand up, then had to post the keys through the letter box to the ambulance crew as I couldn't stand withoug laughing gas!

I've been to many physios, and can condense what I've been told by the one who finally sorted me out. He's one of the physios to the GB athletic team so he does have a slight idea what he' talking about. I now play sport, do weights etc, and the best thing is, and the measure of a good physio, is that I've never had to go back to him. After all, if you keep going back, there's still something wrong isn't there? Of coure, you may have a different problem but i hope I can help a bit.

As he explained to me, unless you have a serious bone/disc problem, lower back pain is a symptom of something being wrong elsewhere.

And when I say wrong, that means you're unsupple, you're stiff, you haven't stretched/you're not supple enough.

When the muscles of your glutes (your bum), hamstrings, quads (front of legs) and your groin muscles (strange but true) are too tight, they are not acting as they should, and that is to act as shock absorbers to protect the back. When you have lower back pain, it is because the muscles around your lower spine are enflamed because they're spasming to PROTECT your back-they're stopping you from moving in order to keep it safe.

Imagine a car with stiff shock absorbers-no impact is ever really stopped, and it is transferred directly into the people inside the car (your back). Does that make sense?

So what do you need to do to stop it?
You need to gently stretch all of those areas in order to make them more supple so they can start acting as shock absorbers.

You might also need to strengthen as well as stretch your glutes as they're actually the largest muscles in your body. Look up glute stretching exercises, next time your back hurts, do one for each leg for 30 seconds (gently) and see if that makes any difference, I'll guess it will.
As you mentioned (I think)-you've got an exercise ball-that's great because you need to strengthen your core muscles, so not just sit ups that are the more cosmetic outer muscle layer.
I can also recommend doing Pilates classes, but you might not have the time or want to do those so fair enough.
Gently stretching your back by pulling your knees GENTLY towards your chest will help.
My final trick, since I've done this it's made a big difference-I stretch my hamstrings just after having a hot shower every day. The heat will warm your muscles up, but be careful if it's in the morning as your muscles are tighter. As you do it after a shower, it's quick, it takes 30 seconds to aminute, and you're doing it 7 times a week (or more), which is at least 7 minutes of stretching more than you probably do already? This has made a BIG difference to me.

Hope that helps, if you do anything just STRETCH!!. Good luck

Jonboy 123-do core muscle exercises on the gym balls. Look them up on the internet, start slowly and work your way up to harder ones. That will help your posture a lot.

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I have tried to read everthing on this site since 6am this morning its now 4.45 pm and im no closer than what i was this morning. I will keep reading and try learn from what i have read. So the back pain i guess will kick in tomorrow together with the head ache. LOL Thanks for a great Site PS from South Africa and im watching Gold

Nobody has mentioned Obus Forme. Not sure of its availability outside of Canada but this is the cheapest solution I have found. I find the seat cushion helps with posture and the back support is ideal for natural spinal posture. I struggled for 2 years with considerable back and neck problems and I credit Obus Forme with helping my recovery and keeping me pain free ever since.

It can be used with any chair and I even have one for my car for long trips.

Turn your computer room into a GYM...buy a 100.00 Pull up/dip tower with pushup handles... anytime you are not actually trading...do pull ups etc...

Works for me

after the gym you may rest in this one (lafuma relax) best for the back

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:9...axlschwarz.jpg

Have you every heard of TMS (Tension Myositis Syndrome)? It's the cause of your back pain. Basically it's a psychossomatic process, that can cause back pain, arms pain, legs pain and many other things. It doesn't mean the pain is phony, it means it's caused by unconscious processes. I've been affected by it and I still am (though 99% better). I couldn't literally use my computer because of the pain I had in my arms, went for physiotherapy for a year or so and I still couldn't. When I learned about the true cause of my pain in the next week I was already using my computer. And this isn't just me: thousands of people have now been cured from chronic pain, back pain, arms pain and w/e by using the psychossomatic approach.

And it's not a made up thing or just some radical theory, it was a physician who started treating patients using this diagnosis(that completely refutes any physical cause for 95% of the pain disorders) when he realized the conventional diagnosis wasn't working at all and he now has "cured" (i say "cured" because it's not really an illness/disease) thousands of people. Curiousity: A study revealed that a large percentage of UK people (I don't remember it well, it was close to 50%) have herniated discs and they don't have and never had any pain in their back. And there are many more studies on this. The funny thing is that this is the diagnosis doctors are giving for back pain.

Don't listen to people that say it's a "bone/disc problem", it's psychossomatic. Don't worry, the pain is harmless, it results on a mild oxygen deprivation caused by reduced blood flow. Look it up on google about Dr.Sarno or Dr. David Schechter.

Sorry for the long post but it annoys me to see people worrying so much about their bodies and thinking their pain must be due to their sitting postures or whatever, when most probably their pain has a psychossomatic cause rather than a physical one.

For people with back pain you can read "Healing Back Pain" by Dr.Sarno. I just hope my post helps anybody, I know it's hard to believe in this ( I was 100% skeptical at first) but that's because modern medicine totally neglects any psychossomatic illness and effect, when there are studies and thousands of sucessfully cured patients that completely prove they exist.

Jasus - you hit the nail on the proverbial head. You could wipe off billions off the NHS annual bill if people understood the connection between the mind and a multitude of persistent, chronic illnesses. Back pain and RSI rates would fall overnight.

The trouble is that this reality that many people's illnesses have a mental origin gets taken to extreme by beardy wierdoes who then jump to the other side of the spectrum claiming all illnesses start in the mind which is just as stupid as ignoring the mental link in the first place.

I know this is an old thread but just to back up what has been said about using an exercise ball as a chair, when I was seeing a personal trainer she swore by the idea and whenever I saw her at her desk she was using it so well worth a try if anyone's still suffering

And I do agree with the mental thing, people end up making them feel worse sometimes IMO

It's not just "making them feel worse", 95% of the pain syndromes have a purely psychossomatic cause. The pain is caused by unconscious processes, that is caused by controling the limbic system in the brain. The unconscious continues with this process because the conscious allows it to. When someone with a psychossamtic syndrome thinks his pain has a physical cause, like "sitting with a bad posture" or "having weak muscles", he's allowing the unconscious to continue with the same old process.
This unconscious process has a reason to exist. I'm not explaining here but it exists to serve a psychological purpose.

Then in the physical caused illnesses there is always a psychossomatic part. Again, modern medicine ignores all the psychossomatic causes for any condition, and that's a reason why many people suffer from these conditions nowadays (among other factors).