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  • Jun 27, 2009 12:44am Jun 27, 2009 12:44am
  •  Edgetrader
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Quoting Quantum4x
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Hey Edge:
I would hate to be right.
I was backtesting in some hours I trade, and I found out that following your rules I got a -80 (8 out of 9 trades were -10).
There are good trades before and after with a 50/50 ratio, but I'm curious about this day in particular.
I think one of the reasons people scalp is because of the immediate retribution, so systems with a 75/25 ratio work fine.
Yes, I know that systems with a 99/1 win ratio can have 100 losses in a row. However I've seen your posts and I've never seen less than 75%
Thanks.
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Have reviewed you chart, along with your subsequent posting and also the responses to your post from a few other thread followers. I appreciate your acknowledging my efforts and hope this will finally shed light on this scalping methodology sufficient enough for anyone and everyone to grasp the simplicity of this plan.

First, lets review and critique you posting.

1. It is not the same format I use. HA v. bar charts?

2. I have mentioned on several occasions which time of day I trade. For clarity, I have marked my normal trading time on the date of your posted chart, that being Monday, June 22. Note the vertical lines on the attached. The 'blue' section shown is where your posting refers to your back-testing efforts that are not in compliance with the time I have mentioned to trade this plan. As such, I do not feel any potential trades you have marked outside of the plan trading time need be addressed. A considerable amount of time and effort has been expended isolating the best times to implement this trading plan. Anything contrary to designed trading time has not been qualified by facts substantiating those times as appropriate nor beneficial. Until such time as a trader can justify by mathematical proof that such times are prudent to trade at, this will be the last time I will address this particular issue. Sorry!

3. As shown, I have provided my own version of the time you are questioning in BAR format to accommodate that which you are apparently using. Regardless, we can clearly see that, during the appropriate trading time, and an extra hour to boot, we have a total of eight (8) potential trading opportunities on the EU during the session.

I have taken the liberty of marking appropriate entries and exits based upon how the plan is set forth. In addition, I have shown these price points at 12 pip ranges, so as to cover the normal 2 pip spread from IB on the MT4. Now, as a caveat, I will say that ANYONE actually paying more than this on this weak moving pair (EU) is getting their asses ripped. Either find another broker or trade a different pair. Will leave it at that for now. Also, I have no clue as to where ANYONE might have entered these trades or not as nobody has provided a chart showing their entry points. So, I cannot help further when I do not have the necessary info. to review.

Back to the potential trades.

Trades 1, 2 and 3 (marked in green) ALL would be +10's with appropriate entries.

Trade 4 (orange) was positive quickly and simply did not pan out.

Trade 5 (green) would have won, but it is indeed very close. Regardless, it did cover the 12 pip range needed to produce a winning trade.

We then have a 'red' news event which you should not be trading the first 5 minutes or so to begin with.

Trades 6, 7, and 8 are all excellent setups with room to spare. Slam dunk on those. So, it appears the potential for a trader to go 7-1 is present. Unless your entries are akin to throwing a dart at a chart, this should be construed as a successful trading session. In fact, tou should have be DONE after 2 or 3 trades unluss you simply like overtrading. Will address this issue once more later in the posting.

In addition, I have also attached a correctly set up chart showing these same moves during the session of June 22. As you can see, they are pretty clear from a visual perspective.

So, what other possible issues can we resolve? Further, is there anything else we can do (other than trade the correct time and charting setups) to enhance these trading opportunities?

Yes, there is. It is a simple indi on EVERYONE'S platform called ATR. This can be added on a 5m chart and I suggest that you change the default setting of 14 to a setting of 24. This way, you will have a basic view of the candle range for the previous 2 hours (24 candles x 5M = 120 minutes).

I will almost guarantee that, if you will actually do this, you will find that the period in question on this post has a ATR most of the time from between 7-11. As such, what we have here is a very weak ass pair that runs in a relatively tight size. This is especially true when trading ANY period outside of the Asian/ London or London/U.S. overlap. That tells a trader that they had better be VERY cautious on the +10 plan when trading this particular currency pair. This is also why I set forth a +5 alternative today that may help cope with this issue.

Also, I have mentioned that the GU is the SINGLE best pair to trade on the +10 plan. I have seen numerous posting utilizing the EU as the trading vehicle of choice. This is undoubtedly due to trading costs associated to each Forex pair, more commonly known as the 'spread'.

While I can appreciate the traders concern for maintaining low costs as a general principle, there are other trading considerations which carry far more weight when setting up your trading plan. Top on my list is:

"Which pair gives me the BEST chance of reaching my TP target in the most expeditious manner? And, which pair shows a history of allowing me to trade my 'edge' repeatedly during appropriate times and generating sufficient w/l ratio's to be consistently profitable?"

This is far more important when scalping than playing around with a pair that has less spread (EU). Appropriate risk per trade is one thing, trading a pair just because it initially costs you less is not well thought out. In fact, it projects FEAR, the single worst mental demon a trader can have.

So, I will leave it to you fine folks to banter among yourselves as to the merit of scalping this plan. I would suggest that, as I do, you monitor a minimum of 2-3 pairs instead of just the EU, and that you at least try to use the same setup as I do. Further, it is CRITICAL to trade the correct time periods and stop wasting your valuable trading time trying to curve fit this plan into your own PREFERRED trading times.

Lastly, I think ANY trader or potential trader in the future looking at this plan should only question its merit by providing charts with demo or small live trades CLEARLY marked on such so we can get a crystal clear look at exactly what they are questioning.

And yes, scalping is not for everyone. However, +10's are as prevalent as anything else and are abundant on most pairs. Remember, I trade at +2%/-4% on account daily. I do not like sitting there like a heroin addict trading or playing around for 6-8 hours a day. You should NEVER trade a scalping methods just for the hell of it. You will only over-trade and cause yourself some very uncomfortable times.

Watch a few pairs for a good setup, place the trade appropriately and get the hell out of Dodge!!!!!!

Regards.
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  • Jun 27, 2009 12:53am Jun 27, 2009 12:53am
  •  Edgetrader
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Quoting DXTrade
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First of all:

EDGE:
I like your color scheme and use it as well now.
It helps in taking the emotions out as in psychology red is associated with danger. The B/W charts are nicely neutral...

All Others:

The following is just MY opinion. I'm trading since around 8 years, have been reading on FF and another big Forex Forum hundreds of thousands of posts.
I was jumping from "the best" to "the only", had charts so full of indis that I had a constant headache and never got really successfull... not to say: I lost... as I refuse to trade on demo...
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Great post.

Very well thought out strategy and excellent mindset qualities in addition.

Short and simple ---- You either win or lose based on your BELIEF that you are trading your 'EDGE' faithfully based upon the enormous amounts of study regarding PA that helped a trader develop their own personal EDGE.

Anything else is folly. Plan your Trade and Trade your Plan!!!! Do it everytime without fail and stop the eternal searching so many get absorbed with. Trade to Live, don't Live to Trade.

Regards.
 
 
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  •  tgiambarberee
  • | Joined Jul 2006 | Status: Confluence of events , S/R , Trend | 140 Posts
Quoting nuancom
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gu 1h S2 and 78%fib touch
maybe a retrace is on the way
if 1.6244 holds as sup
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Hi would you be so kind to post the indi to show market time you show in this post top of your screenshot post # 2811, that would help me alot . thanks in advance ............Tom
 
 
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  • Jun 27, 2009 2:01am Jun 27, 2009 2:01am
  •  nuancom
  • | Joined Feb 2007 | Status: Member | 306 Posts
Quoting tgiambarberee
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Hi would you be so kind to post the indi to show market time you show in this post top of your screenshot post # 2811, that would help me alot . thanks in advance ............Tom
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look your pm
 
 
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  • Jun 27, 2009 3:41am Jun 27, 2009 3:41am
  •  TudorGirl
  • | Additional Username | Joined Nov 2008 | 388 Posts
Hi All

I think I am right in saying that the only three folk who trade the original scheme as per Post #1 are Digitalis, Gleneagles and Kos (at least only these 3 guys post anything). As you have seen from the very clear charts Kos has posted and from Glens stunning gains, the system seems to work for those who want to use it.

Far and away the majority have been sucked into the M5/M1 scalping strategies that have emerged. The problem here is that, in truth, very few are having success.

When I joined the thread (a whole month ago now!) I was interested in the higher TFs like the H1. When I mentioned this again recently, I have to tell you, my PM exploded! It was like the days when homosexuality became legal in the UK and thousands came "out of the closet"! I cannot count how many people have PMd me to say that the M5/M1 is simply not working for them and that they lose almost every time. I can sympathise - I am one of them!! I have lost 9/10 trades on the scalping ideas.

The huge wave of relief when they discovered there was an H1 enthusiasts group was almost palpable. You only have to look at the H1 charts with the appropriate indicators (all available on this thread) to see the possibilities. You don't have to sit in from of the screen - you can check in now and again. I am planning to add email/SMS alerts to the H1-optimised indy suite so you only need ever look at the chart for a few minutes when you get an alert, perhaps twice a day tops. The pip gains are just as great, if not greater, than on the lower TFs and the stress is vastly less. It also suits many whose lifestyle cannot permit hours of screen time. We are moving towards huge success here. Even I can do it and I am the worlds worst trader, believe me!

The group is now getting too big for private email exchange - I am getting upwards of 200 emails a day. May be time to start a new thread?

Anne
 
 
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  • Jun 27, 2009 3:54am Jun 27, 2009 3:54am
  •  TudorGirl
  • | Additional Username | Joined Nov 2008 | 388 Posts
Hi All

Just going on from my last post, here is the GU H1 chart for this week with my trades.

Please note that I only use Vorticity and that I wait for the close of the 3rd bar after colour change. This is vital as vorticity can repaint 2 previous bars in the worst case.

Depending on your timing getting to the PC, there was easily 600+ pips here for 6 trades. Total screen time, less than 10 minutes.

Anne
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  • Jun 27, 2009 3:59am Jun 27, 2009 3:59am
  •  jtrade
  • Joined Feb 2006 | Status: Member | 1,372 Posts
Well done, Anne - that's about as simple as it gets .

J.
 
 
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  • Jun 27, 2009 4:26am Jun 27, 2009 4:26am
  •  Thierry
  • | Joined Jun 2009 | Status: Member | 302 Posts
Wel done Anne, looks great!

I had trade this week a few times, 5 winners en 1 loser (my fault because after closing it went in my direction, but ok, i'm a rookie)

I look for the overal trend at the 1 hour chart and for entry's i look most of the times to 5 min chart.

But for what i've seen this week, the 1 hour chart gives good signals with nice pips.

On my chart i have the indicators of Anne (TM, VT hydro, HG_0001a and the mtf) and a 200 EMA for the overal trend. Also have the QQE only for a confirmation.

With this chart i can make many pips, but need to be a beter trader so in the next couple of weeks/months i need to trade with small lotsize. At the moment trade with 0.25 cent per pip.

Good weekend all
 
 
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  • Jun 27, 2009 4:36am Jun 27, 2009 4:36am
  •  TudorGirl
  • | Additional Username | Joined Nov 2008 | 388 Posts
All,

I think it is time for me to move to another thread dedicated to the H1 and above TFs. There is a lot of interest and it is where my owm ambitions lie. I will look in on this thread now and again and I wish you all well both in trading and in life.

Nothing expresses my feelings better than the cult song at the end of Portal, the only computer game I own and one of the finest examples of a real Physics Engine in a game.

Listen to it at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RthZgszykLs

This was a triumph!
I'm making a note here:
"HUGE SUCCESS!!"
It's hard to overstate
my satisfaction.

There's no sense crying
over every mistake.
You just keep on trying
till you run out of cake.
And the science gets done.
And you make a neat gun
for the people who are
still alive.

I'm not even angry...
I'm being so sincere right now-
Even though you broke my heart,
and killed me.

And tore me to pieces.
And threw every piece into a fire.
As they burned it hurt because
I was so happy for you!

Now, these points of data
make a beautiful line.
And we're out of beta.
We're releasing on time!
So I'm glad I got burned-
Think of all the things we learned-
for the people who are
still alive.

Go ahead and leave me...
I think I'd prefer to stay inside...
Maybe you'll find someone else
to help you?

Look at me: still talking
when there's science to do!
When I look out there,
it makes me glad I love you.

I've experiments to run.
There is research to be done.
On the people who are
still alive.
And believe me I am
still alive.
I'm doing science and I'm
still alive.
I feel fantastic and I'm
still alive.....

Guys, its been a pleasure...
Anne
 
 
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  • Jun 27, 2009 4:50am Jun 27, 2009 4:50am
  •  crashout
  • | Joined Oct 2006 | Status: Member | 373 Posts
Wish you the best Anne

And give us the new link thread !
 
 
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  • Jun 27, 2009 4:54am Jun 27, 2009 4:54am
  •  notch
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Quoting TudorGirl
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Hi All

Just going on from my last post, here is the GU H1 chart for this week with my trades.



Anne
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Hi Baby,
Please can you post the 3 bar after Vorticity zig-zag indicator?

Max
 
 
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  • Jun 27, 2009 5:02am Jun 27, 2009 5:02am
  •  DoctorPips
  • | Joined Aug 2008 | Status: Member | 13 Posts
The thread spun out of control. To be honest, it's like herding cats to get people to stay on a topic and focus on the basics, so there was no surprise there. I've found that the original works well with some pairs and not so well with others. Going to higher time frames, there again, works great with some and is questionable on others. The temptation, and greed, is to drop to the 1m and get things quickly and for a beginner such as myself that can be painful. Rising up to the 15m I found some relief and in the case of the Eur/Gbd it is an albeit smoother but slower trending pair. Its made testing easier and I can live with that. If I want more I can just increase the number of lots. Everyone, including myself has to find their comfort zone. Rising up to 1h requires more "bank" but if it were easier to trade and not require my entire day then that would be superb. A new thread may be needed but you already know where that will lead.


Quoting TudorGirl
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Hi All

I think I am right in saying that the only three folk who trade the original scheme as per Post #1 are Digitalis, Gleneagles and Kos (at least only these 3 guys post anything). As you have seen from the very clear charts Kos has posted and from Glens stunning gains, the system seems to work for those who want to use it.

Far and away the majority have been sucked into the M5/M1 scalping strategies that have emerged. The problem here is that, in truth, very few are having success.

When I joined the thread (a whole month ago now!)...
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  • Jun 27, 2009 5:02am Jun 27, 2009 5:02am
  •  crashout
  • | Joined Oct 2006 | Status: Member | 373 Posts
Anne,

I just checked my 1 hour chart with vorticity 02a, and i don't have the same result as you (i'm very far).

Can you post the vorticity indicator you use please ?

Thanks !
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  • Jun 27, 2009 5:03am Jun 27, 2009 5:03am
  •  xanlamin
  • | Joined Aug 2008 | Status: Member | 4 Posts
Dear DXTrade,

Can you post the trade management EA which you are using now?
Thanks.

Quoting DXTrade
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First of all:

EDGE:
I like your color scheme and use it as well now.
It helps in taking the emotions out as in psychology red is associated with danger. The B/W charts are nicely neutral...

All Others:

The following is just MY opinion. I'm trading since around 8 years, have been reading on FF and another big Forex Forum hundreds of thousands of posts.
I was jumping from "the best" to "the only", had charts so full of indis that I had a constant headache and never got really successfull... not to say: I lost... as I refuse to trade on demo...
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  • Jun 27, 2009 5:17am Jun 27, 2009 5:17am
  •  DXTrade
  • Joined Jul 2007 | Status: Take Five | 755 Posts
Quoting xanlamin
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Dear DXTrade,

Can you post the trade management EA which you are using now?
Thanks.
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Sorry buddy,
the one I have is a personal work of a friend who is a coder and I can't give it away.
But there is the Cavemanager in the THV threat which is very good and the Swiss Army Knife to name just 2.
Just start a search here at FF.
"The only successful substitute for brains is silence."
 
 
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  • Jun 27, 2009 5:25am Jun 27, 2009 5:25am
  •  crashout
  • | Joined Oct 2006 | Status: Member | 373 Posts
Sorry for the mess Anne, i find the right indi

An audio alert when the third bar change colors would be super great fantastic !
 
 
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  • Jun 27, 2009 5:31am Jun 27, 2009 5:31am
  •  xanlamin
  • | Joined Aug 2008 | Status: Member | 4 Posts
Thanks for pointing the way
May you make lots of pips next week!

Quoting DXTrade
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Sorry buddy,
the one I have is a personal work of a friend who is a coder and I can't give it away.
But there is the Cavemanager in the THV threat which is very good and the Swiss Army Knife to name just 2.
Just start a search here at FF.
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  • Jun 27, 2009 5:44am Jun 27, 2009 5:44am
  •  bob_inabottle
  • | Joined Jan 2007 | Status: Member | 330 Posts
Hello!

Trading is a funny thing, I don't come from a background that had anything to do with markets or the like, because of this I had to learn how to let the trade come to me. I would get "white line fever" (if the sporting world will lend me that saying) I would feel like I was missing out if not in a trade... like I was not working hard enough, after all we turn up to work to get results from our day so sitting around watching a screen NOT making money just made no sense! Along the way I found the cornflower system which I found very good for teaching the right way of thinking.

The problem most people seem to have with cornflower is that you may not take a trade for a week maybe longer, as I have been trading that way and making dollars I thought I might try out the 5 min charts... I wanted to learn something new. The first few months were hard because I found myself jumping into trades all over the place... after all they are the 5 min charts so you have to be placing more trades right?! lol

About 3 weeks ago Anne posted some indys and wow did they turn my 5 min trades around all I do is use the MTF TG (60,30,5) and PA, I don't post trades everyday because why would I?, What I am doing works for me trading the 5min charts 3 maybe 4 hours a day max around the Euro open and for that effort I have an extra 29% in my account .... all thanks to Anne.

Im sure (and thought this from the start) that the 1 hour and up will work with indys TG posted so good luck to the people going down that path... I will be joining in I would think.

Not saying its no good for others but for me all the other stuff has just been noise


Bob
 
 
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  • Jun 27, 2009 6:06am Jun 27, 2009 6:06am
  •  hakim314
  • | Joined Dec 2008 | Status: Member | 14 Posts
It was also mentioned on this thread minimum 3 times:
http://www.chatzy.com/754150084449 - specially designed for this THREAD

go there and login.
Unfortunately there were 4 people during last few days.


Quoting gutek04
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*Maybe someone would make some chat (I have no idea how to create one) where all trend magic traders would talk about their trades?*
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  •  gutek04
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Quoting hakim314
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It was also mentioned on this thread minimum 3 times:
http://www.chatzy.com/754150084449 - specially designed for this THREAD

go there and login.
Unfortunately there were 4 people during last few days.
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Well done hakim, thanks!
 
 
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