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  • #121
  • Oct 9, 2008 1:33pm Oct 9, 2008 1:33pm
Quoting pisara
The fault in logic behind seeing frequent withdrawings as a safeguard is that we never know when next blow-up coming.

Isn't the fact that we never know when the next blow-up is coming the point of frequent withdrawings? If we knew when a blowup was coming with any EA we'd know to turn it off.


Unfortunately no one knows when huge movements are coming.Unless your name is George Soros / Warren Buffett and you have the ability to create the future based on what you're doing. (If Buffett said "i'm going to buy SIRI stock", the prce would jump from the $.47 it's at now to over $1 based solely on the fact he said it)
  • #122
  • Oct 9, 2008 2:15pm Oct 9, 2008 2:15pm
Quoting Jwentro
Isn't the fact that we never know when the next blow-up is coming the point of frequent withdrawings? If we knew when a blowup was coming with any EA we'd know to turn it off.
Two-sword problem - with such risky system you want to keep the deposit as big as possible to reduce the blow-up frequency, thus withdrawals are welcoming the catastrophic failures. Sure you can code the StopAll equity fuse functionality into EA to preserve the part of the capital. So the withdrawals aren't that necessary. On the other hand, binding big equity with the system reduces ROI. Finding the optimum is not a trivial task, as market patterns aren't well predictable.
  • #123
  • Oct 9, 2008 2:43pm Oct 9, 2008 2:43pm
Yeah I completely agree its a double edged sword.

But i'd rather practice some form of MM than risk everything by a sudden swing the EA can't account for.

Also, I had the EA that uses St Dev running last night, it absolutely crushed my demo account, had run it up to $1200+ from a $500 deposit until this morning where it had lost nearly $900 and had almost 20 trades open in GBPUSD at the .01 for each long & short.

Maybe a error somewhere in the coding?
  • #124
  • Oct 9, 2008 6:31pm Oct 9, 2008 6:31pm
It seems to me that the critical point of this EA is when price moves through the third level either long or short, this is the "gate way" to profits. Once price has crossed one of these thresholds do we need to be entering more positions at level 1 & 2. ??? even if price revisits these levels

So if price moves to level three but does not reach TP/SL why not wait, doing nothing until price either comes back and then closes out @ TP/SL or goes all the way to the other "gateway" or level 3 at which point the EA should be able to calculate the size of the position to be taken to generate the profit we want at the other TP/SL point.

I'm sure this can be coded

Ive been switching off the EA when it starts to stretch my account I leave the pending orders in place. I try to do this when the price is in the Mid zone .... between to the two level 1s. (Ultimately I'm trying to balance the long and short trades so that things aren't too out of kilter once the eventual TP/SL point is reached). it's 50-50 from there it goes one way you win , it goes the other you loose, but the important thing is that YOU DON'T BLOW YOUR ACCOUNT UP

I'm sure we will crack this

James
  • #125
  • Oct 9, 2008 8:18pm Oct 9, 2008 8:18pm
looking at ea at work i noticed it triggered a level 1 buy stop and then added extra orders at each sell level like it should...then it triggered level 1 sell order and then added the extra orders at each buy level..but shouldnt they be doubled up(ex: instead of 1-2-3, shuouldnt it be 2-4-6?) because i believe your only even at 1-2-3, you lost your edge, right??
  • #126
  • Oct 9, 2008 11:55pm Oct 9, 2008 11:55pm
Quoting rbrtsha
looking at ea at work i noticed it triggered a level 1 buy stop and then added extra orders at each sell level like it should...then it triggered level 1 sell order and then added the extra orders at each buy level..but shouldnt they be doubled up(ex: instead of 1-2-3, shuouldnt it be 2-4-6?) because i believe your only even at 1-2-3, you lost your edge, right??
No, 1 2 3 is the right order.
forexflash
  • #127
  • Oct 10, 2008 12:09am Oct 10, 2008 12:09am
yes it appears to be working correctly...sorry about that
  • #128
  • Oct 10, 2008 9:37am Oct 10, 2008 9:37am
Quoting Jwentro
Yeah I completely agree its a double edged sword.



Also, I had the EA that uses St Dev running last night, it absolutely crushed my demo account, had run it up to $1200+ from a $500 deposit until this morning where it had lost nearly $900 and had almost 20 trades open in GBPUSD at the .01 for each long & short.

Maybe a error somewhere in the coding?
From my testing, using STD as a filter during the times of low volatility has been working well for me on the EURUSD this week, I have not been testing it on the GBP. There may be an error in the code or it might be the settings used.

The 0.002 STD setting I use are for a 10 period EMA on the 15 min chart applied to the closing price. If a different period or chart time are used the STD value will be very different. I suggest putting the StdDev indicator on a chart and find a level you find suitable to filter out the times of low volatility. Once you find a level put the exact same settings, timeframe, MA period and Std value in the 0.000 format into the EA.


I also have a version of the EA I’m testing that sets the increment level automatically each day based on a weighted average of the 5 day range and previous day range, divided by the (number of levels + 1) divided by 2. If the weighted average is 200 and levels are set at 3 the increment would be 25. 200 at 2 levels would be 33. This is just an idea that might help the EA adjust to market conditions to the grid has a better chance of falling within the daily range. I’ll post it if anyone would like to try it or wants to work on comeing up with a better ratio equation.
  • #129
  • Oct 10, 2008 10:15am Oct 10, 2008 10:15am
Quoting lowpro1818
From my testing, using STD as a filter during the times of low volatility has been working well for me on the EURUSD this week, I have not been testing it on the GBP. There may be an error in the code or it might be the settings used.

The 0.002 STD setting I use are for a 10 period EMA on the 15 min chart applied to the closing price. If a different period or chart time are used the STD value will be very different. I suggest putting the StdDev indicator on a chart and find a level you find suitable to filter out the times of low volatility. Once you find a level put the exact same settings, timeframe, MA period and Std value in the 0.000 format into the EA.


I also have a version of the EA I’m testing that sets the increment level automatically each day based on a weighted average of the 5 day range and previous day range, divided by the (number of levels + 1) divided by 2. If the weighted average is 200 and levels are set at 3 the increment would be 25. 200 at 2 levels would be 33. This is just an idea that might help the EA adjust to market conditions to the grid has a better chance of falling within the daily range. I’ll post it if anyone would like to try it or wants to work on comeing up with a better ratio equation.
Hey, glad to see you here, any update is welcome!
Could you send a code here to test it?
forexflash
  • #130
  • Oct 10, 2008 11:14am Oct 10, 2008 11:14am
Attached is an EA with an AutoIncrement feature described in my post above. There is no option yet to manually set the increment level. It would be possible for the increment to drop to a level under 10 if the daily ranges drop so I might code it not enter new trades if the increment drops below or rises above a level.

It is also coded with the STD filter that can be turned off by setting the STD value to 0.00. If you use the filter please read how to set the proper level in my post above.

Enjoy.
Attached File(s)
File Type: mq4 mGrid -Auto Increment-STD-Test.mq4   15 KB | 3,383 downloads
  • #131
  • Oct 10, 2008 12:18pm Oct 10, 2008 12:18pm
I think that there is something seriously wrong with the stdev you coded!
For me, going from 1000usd to 30000usd in a month is wrong
Your stdev work great, Im realy impresed with results, but in one month
of trading there is about 1500 trades! I used your original settings for 1.test
but i changed the lots to 0.1, and add total sl of -250.....It really needs
a protection, I will rather loose a part of account rather then whole!
I really need to look through code, and change some paramaters,
but this is a good step up for start!
Here is a updated version with protective stop loss based on all executed trades.
Anyone who want to use this, need to use 15m timeframe!!!
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Attached File(s)
File Type: mq4 mGrid -Auto Increment-STD-Test.mq4   17 KB | 6,710 downloads
forexflash
  • #132
  • Edited 1:23pm Oct 10, 2008 1:03pm | Edited 1:23pm
Quoting FOREXflash
I think that there is something seriously wrong with the stdev you coded!
For me, going from 1000usd to 30000usd in a month is wrong
Your stdev work great, Im realy impresed with results, but in one month
of trading there is about 1500 trades! I used your original settings for 1.test
but i changed the lots to 0.1, and add total sl of -250.....It really needs
a protection, I will rather loose a part of account rather then whole!
I really need to look through code, and change some paramaters,
but this is a good step up for start!
Here is a updated version with protective stop loss based on all executed trades.
Anyone who want to use this, need to use 15m timeframe!!!
FOREXflash what for settings are using? Because I get a very different result with your latest EA. I love to backtest it all the way from 2004 to now, to see if this EA still blows up.

Maarten
  • #133
  • Oct 10, 2008 1:26pm Oct 10, 2008 1:26pm
Use default parameters.......
This seems to work best with eurusd, on 15min timeframe.
Start with 500 usd balance, lots are 0.02.
Just post the results here later...ok?
Respect
forexflash
  • #134
  • Oct 10, 2008 2:17pm Oct 10, 2008 2:17pm
1500 is a whole lot of trades for a month. From back testing in visual mode you can see from the comment on the chart that there are times when the increment level drops all the way to 7 and the grid gets really congested with open trades. Filtering out the low increments should reduce the number of trades.

I agree with having a stop loss involved, I’ve never coded before and wasn’t too sure how to fit that in the code.

From the result graph above looking at the position sizes it appears more stayed at level 1 then levels 2 and 3. This is a good thing if I’m not mistaken.

Maarteen you might be getting different results because the default Loss setting is -100. ForexFlash used -250.
  • #135
  • Edited 3:25pm Oct 10, 2008 2:21pm | Edited 3:25pm
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  • #136
  • Oct 10, 2008 2:21pm Oct 10, 2008 2:21pm
Hey learningtheropes I see ya.......Sorry but it is a problematic for me to
implement your request...I tried, but nothing happens?
You can take the ea, and post your request in programming discusion,
im sure somewhone will code it!
Marten999, tell me, how is your tests?
Respect
forexflash
  • #137
  • Edited 4:21pm Oct 10, 2008 3:32pm | Edited 4:21pm
Quoting FOREXflash
Hey learningtheropes I see ya.......Sorry but it is a problematic for me to
implement your request...I tried, but nothing happens?
You can take the ea, and post your request in programming discusion,
im sure somewhone will code it!
Maarten999, tell me, how is your tests?
Respect
I am still unable to test it, because I get a very different outcome in backtesting then you get. And when I use the EA for one month, I only get something like 300 trades. What am I doing differently?

If I use all the default settings, or default settings + 250 stoploss. The backtesting never looks like yours.


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  • #138
  • Oct 11, 2008 3:01am Oct 11, 2008 3:01am
Quoting FOREXflash
I think that there is something seriously wrong with the stdev you coded!
For me, going from 1000usd to 30000usd in a month is wrong
Your stdev work great, Im realy impresed with results, but in one month
of trading there is about 1500 trades! I used your original settings for 1.test
but i changed the lots to 0.1, and add total sl of -250.....It really needs
a protection, I will rather loose a part of account rather then whole!
I really need to look through code, and change some paramaters,
but this is a good step up for start!
Here is a updated version with protective stop loss based on all executed trades.
Anyone who want to use this, need to use 15m timeframe!!!
Forexflash,

I get very different results too. This is EURUSD 15 min all default settings....

David
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  • #139
  • Edited 5:47am Oct 11, 2008 5:33am | Edited 5:47am
Would somebody mind to share the ex4. of the

mGrid -Auto Increment-STD-Test.mq4 ea?
The mq4.ea shows only grey in my mt4 and would love to test this one too.
My account I have been testing the last week or so looks promising too,I started with about 6800$ and it is now 21000$ as you can see below.
I have been using this on GBP/JPY increment of 100 and 6 levels,EUR/JPY increment of 50 and 3 levels,EUR/JPY increment of 75 and 3 levels,QM(oil)increment of 100 with 3 levels,USD/JPY increment of 25 with 3 levels,EUR/USD increment of 100 with 3 levels,GBP/USD increment of 100 with 3 levels and YM(Dow Jones)increment of 100 w/6 levels,all with lot setting of 0.1.
USD/JPY,GBP/JPY,EUR/JPY and QM ,YM been the most profitable last week.
This is definitely worth the testing,would like to be part of this EA testing although I'm not really EA savvy,but I can do what is within my capacity to test this EA.
Peace.
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Boyy,trap money,like bear hunters.
  • #140
  • Oct 12, 2008 10:12pm Oct 12, 2008 10:12pm
here u go
Attached File(s)
File Type: ex4 mGrid -Auto Increment-STD-Test.ex4   18 KB | 2,086 downloads
File Type: ex4 mGRID EA with StdDev.ex4   13 KB | 2,131 downloads
File Type: ex4 mGRID EA.ex4   12 KB | 1,673 downloads
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