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  • #1,261
  • Edited 9:18pm Sep 29, 2008 8:56pm | Edited 9:18pm
I don't see what all the hoopla is about. He's already shown us how he trades! Take the info and run with it. For me, is it worth X amount of dollars for someone to alert me when a trade looks good so I might be able to get some sleep?
I don't want to be a shill for him but I believe he said he was going to continue posting free info on his blog.
The video with the car was awful cheesy tho...

re:clearly we let ourselves be duped by wanting this to be for real and not a forex scammer service in disguise.

Maybe but if it is a scam, it's a dumb one. Anyone that tries the service and consistently loses money would surely post here and end his income stream in just a few weeks.

Robert M
  • #1,262
  • Sep 29, 2008 9:04pm Sep 29, 2008 9:04pm
Thank you Mouteki for knowledges been teaching us so far. It has been valuable.

There are two sides of people, first- the people loves to teach for free as by helping others to be success, they already feel happy and get paid, Second- The people loves to teach and also loves to get paid for what he/she doing, even he/she already in financial freedom.

Which one is he???

Peace...
  • #1,263
  • Sep 29, 2008 9:08pm Sep 29, 2008 9:08pm
Quoting Sirens
I want to add one more thing...we know that Mouteki is super successful...and he is giving us live real-time trade entrance and exit's. We can easily make back our money each month. I am going to join, at least for a 60 day trial.
True. I might give it a try as well.
The road to pipland is arduous and fraught with challenge.
  • #1,264
  • Sep 29, 2008 9:16pm Sep 29, 2008 9:16pm
To be honest i already signed up for the $89 dollar special simply becouse i could try it for 60 days.

Also what if the pays for it self in the short/long run, Its a chance i am willing to take for only $89 bucks that may change my life who knows but i will becouse i am curious to find out.
  • #1,265
  • Sep 29, 2008 9:17pm Sep 29, 2008 9:17pm
Quoting Sirens
Well, I am considering joining, I am mad that I was too late to the post to get to the $89/month, what a huge savings from $144/m.

Now, however, I have more time to think this out. Two things that I'm just wondering (no offense to mouteki). But we've seen mouteki make 500 pip gains in less than a week...we've seen him trade 100 lots. That's $500k profit, in less than a week. What benefit is he going to get from a measly $150-$230/m from a hundred or so memebers. Unless he really doesnt have such a big account and those 100 lots traded on the USD/CHF were via a demo account. If he had that kind of money why would he be driving a 40-50k BMW, and not a ferrari, lambo, or other exotic...

I don't want to sound judgemental (and I know that what kind of car you have has nothing to do with the money you have, but nonetheless its one of the first things I thought of LOL!). And I still respect mouteki. I want to join the club. These were just the first thoughts that ran through my mind...what do you guys think?
I kind of have the same thoughts . . . I don't care about the car, but the other points you make are the same questions and concerns you have. Is he really trading that kind of money?? Or is it just demo?? I guess that doesn't even really matter--if it works, it works. But is he really that successful with this system? I can definitely say that so far it has made sense and has seemed to work. You are right--ouch--$89 to $144 a month!! But if it really is making that kind of money, $144/month will be easily paid back--I'm thinking why not? But I just don't know yet either. I've bought other systems thinking they were thing for me from reading and listening to their sales pitch. And then being disappointed that it really wasn't that easy to do. I have to say though, this system has really mapped things out where I can clearly (almost, anyway) see where the market is going. He has shown us a lot--we could come up with our own system to trade using the info. he has freely given us. But on the other hand, it would be nice to see some live trades and hear his thoughts on why he's taking the trade while we're actually seeing it. I guess I'll just have to think about this a little more. It is a little disappointing like Monkey said that people were saying how thankful they were and that he would be rewarded greatly for his unselfishness in helping others, just to be told hey, now we're going to charge you. But I guess you can still get the updates for free on the blog as usual. And, I mean, he is putting in a great deal of time doing these videos of his analysis, and now live sessions. So I guess I'm still thinking about it. . .
  • #1,266
  • Sep 29, 2008 9:33pm Sep 29, 2008 9:33pm
Quoting Fx Pipin
To be honest i already signed up for the $89 dollar special simply becouse i could try it for 60 days.

Also what if the pays for it self in the short/long run, Its a chance i am willing to take for only $89 bucks that may change my life who knows but i will becouse i am curious to find out.
Awesome. . . I wish I could have gotten in early. Didn't see it in time. . .Not sure my husband is going to be too thrilled with this either. Like I said earlier, I have paid for other systems--not a lot of money, and I did learn valuable things from them--but still. I guess I feel like this one may actually be worth it, since I have learned a lot and could probably come up with some decent trades. I also thought that I could join, check it out, get live trade alerts, learn more, and not have to pay after a couple of months, but. . .hell if it's worth it--who knows?? Maybe this could change how I trade. Right now I'm stressed when trading and learning to trade because I have 2 little kids with me most of the time. So this alert service could really help my situation. . .I guess I'm still thinking out loud. . .
  • #1,267
  • Sep 29, 2008 9:34pm Sep 29, 2008 9:34pm
Quoting 4xisfun
I kind of have the same thoughts . . . I don't care about the car, but the other points you make are the same questions and concerns you have. Is he really trading that kind of money?? Or is it just demo?? I guess that doesn't even really matter--if it works, it works. But is he really that successful with this system? I can definitely say that so far it has made sense and has seemed to work. You are right--ouch--$89 to $144 a month!! But if it really is making that kind of money, $144/month will be easily paid back--I'm thinking why not? But I just don't know yet either. I've bought other systems thinking they were thing for me from reading and listening to their sales pitch. And then being disappointed that it really wasn't that easy to do. I have to say though, this system has really mapped things out where I can clearly (almost, anyway) see where the market is going. He has shown us a lot--we could come up with our own system to trade using the info. he has freely given us. But on the other hand, it would be nice to see some live trades and hear his thoughts on why he's taking the trade while we're actually seeing it. I guess I'll just have to think about this a little more. It is a little disappointing like Monkey said that people were saying how thankful they were and that he would be rewarded greatly for his unselfishness in helping others, just to be told hey, now we're going to charge you. But I guess you can still get the updates for free on the blog as usual. And, I mean, he is putting in a great deal of time doing these videos of his analysis, and now live sessions. So I guess I'm still thinking about it. . .

Ya. I have decided to definitely try it. I've got nothing to loose in 60 days, and everything to gain. My friend/mentor that originally got me into forex agreed that this would be a great way for me to learn. And that it is not a scam.

I think that the club we are paying for is basically as close as we can get to a 1 on 1 mentorship with mouteki. There is no way that he could do this for everyone for free. His time is valuable.
  • #1,268
  • Sep 29, 2008 9:46pm Sep 29, 2008 9:46pm
Quoting Sirens
I want to add one more thing...we know that Mouteki is super successful...and he is giving us live real-time trade entrance and exit's. We can easily make back our money each month. I am going to join, at least for a 60 day trial.
Do you think the 60-day trial will be honored?

In the 2nd Video his best friend "Dan" says:
"It's priceless when you can ask the best trader, you know, in the entire planet exactly how he trades."

Now that is laying it on pretty thick and a quite the claim... I had to chime in, but it maybe real, I don't know.

Caveat emptor
Don't wish it were easier, wish you were better. ~ Jim Rohn
  • #1,269
  • Sep 29, 2008 9:46pm Sep 29, 2008 9:46pm
It's Vegas' son whatcha expect?


Quoting monkey
Its not like its suddenly going paid.... mouteki planned this from the very start. We were tricked. In the sales video "FTC Intro" that he just posted he says this:

"Why I'm here, live in person, is to bring you what has been going on behind the scenes at forex gemini."

and later he says:

"Now why I'm here is to tell you about the Forex Truth Club that we've been forming behind the scenes here at forexgemini.com"

The guy comes on here, gets everyone excited, tricks forexfactory into letting him have this thread as part of a sales pitch, and when everyone thanks him again and again for offering advice for free and saying what a great guy he is, he is off snickering "behind the scenes" about all this free publicity he has generated.
Then he posts a video that looks a lot like those late night paid commercials for real estate strategies, showing off first his watch and then his little BMW, and then acting like he is so busy making trades that he has to shoot this video while driving somewhere (LOL)!
Its all quite pathetic, and even offensive. I wonder how many suckers on here are going to reward him by forking over their cash to forexgemini.com.
  • #1,270
  • Sep 29, 2008 9:49pm Sep 29, 2008 9:49pm
Go back and watch the vids again from the beginning and LISTEN carefully. He said he was giving it away for FREE, since when is 89/144/233 free numbers? And he also got pissed when ppl confronted his motives!!!! THINK PEOPLE!!!!! USE YOUR BRAINS!!!!!
don't know bout ya'll but where I went to school, that just aint so.
Don't give this sphincter a cent of your money!!

Quoting traider
I guess I'm not clear on the enigma of a successful individual trader entering into providing paid mentorship. The two strike me as being mutually exclusive. Perhaps someone can enlighten me.
  • #1,271
  • Sep 29, 2008 9:50pm Sep 29, 2008 9:50pm
who knows maybe the 60day money back wont be given.. nothing is for sure
  • #1,272
  • Sep 29, 2008 9:58pm Sep 29, 2008 9:58pm
well...

i posted my suspicious @ september 1st.

http://www.forexfactory.com/showpost...&postcount=121

and ppl here simply spit on my face...

now u all see... this guy is a simple sales project.

and most certainly one more scam.

btw... here is the post where he started yelling and behaving like a baby saying being "offended" that ppl distrusted his "pure intentions". Liar and pathetic.

http://www.forexfactory.com/showpost...postcount=2280

he's been reported.

if he wants to keep this thread he must figure out how to move it to his PRIVATE ".com" page.

watch out newbies... not everything that shines is gold.

iiivb
  • #1,273
  • Sep 29, 2008 10:04pm Sep 29, 2008 10:04pm
Another myth has gone...;

Not that he's offering an elusive paid service (others are doing also here more or less undercover here on FF and thus being able to make for their monthly dough from poor novices), but the video and sets OMG

..and him wearing those shades, and that silly car, and him being embarrassed of himself of what he was saying...;

I'm afraid though of a bigger scam, since he's mentioning offering spot FX trading access through MT - which is ridiculous, it can't be done.

I'd like to think that's being used, - mentioning of his partner and the whole site development and the fan base, he's probably been handed by a scammer and the whole thing has bene well premeditated;

My advice: take the learning experience and reconsider the whole fib theory.

If you've been duped with fibs to "see things" by a lame scammer, imagine how more can you be duped to loose money in the real game, if you rely solely on fibs.

Look at the whole fib theory as just a reflection in the mirror - not as the real thing. Fibs are like a broken mirror, they show bits of reality that you're looking to see, and everybody can eventually see something and make some sense of reality. They can also be good guides for viewers with limited ability or method. But there are a lot of mirrors to look into, and it's not like having the complete real view in front of you, and being able to make a step with certainty.

One more thing that's crossing my mind: is this guy the real Mouteki from the good ole days? Because he doesn't look like Japanese to me.

Good bye Mouteki, or whoever you are..and good night.
"Everybody needs money. That's why they call it money" - Danny De Vito
  • #1,274
  • Sep 29, 2008 10:12pm Sep 29, 2008 10:12pm
Hi Folks! Sorry to inform you that Mouteki has been banned for violation of Rule #3. This thread must be now moved to the Recycle Bin so it doesn't create promotion for his service. We must have this policy to discourage threads and intentions like this in the future.

Fyi, I emailed Mouteki a few weeks ago asking him clearly if he had commercial intentions since many vigilant members had reported him for suspicious activity. He just got back to me yesterday and told me yes that he had commercial intentions. I proposed to him a plan to unwind this thread on his own doing and to close the thread, but it looks like he started offering the service already and now it's too late for the friendly exit. This is unfortunate and I wish we could have ended this without banning him and binning this thread. Sorry to everyone, I don't like having to do this but it has to be done to protect the commercial-free trading environment we fight for here at the great ForexFactory.

Sad Regards,

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  • #1,275
  • Sep 29, 2008 10:13pm Sep 29, 2008 10:13pm
though i might be a rookie at this business, but i saw this coming right from the start of this new thread by Mouteki...

he probably must have lost huge money from his last strategy and needs a recoup....so he's back to feed on souls in FF.....i wonder why some people could be real damn gullible.

Just right from this forum i have learnt for free and developed a strategy of my own which is highly profitable in my 10months of been in the forex businesss.


As long as the market continues to move, i shall continue to profit day by day.Let somebody say Halleluyah to that.
  • #1,276
  • Sep 29, 2008 10:38pm Sep 29, 2008 10:38pm
Hi All,

I actually kind of expected this would happen. I agree with alot of what's been said in the past few posts about this turning into a paid service. The trades that Mouteki showed were in a demo account, most traders wouldn't show their "live" account. That doesn't mean that he didn't have the trades on in his own personal account. Now, I seriously doubt the Mouteki's making 500K or even 50K a week, otherwise why would you bother with chump change for a paid subcription website. Most professional traders making that kind of money if they do mentor an individual will charge 1000's of dollars.

Ok ..with all of that said...if Mouteki is making a living from trading then he's doing alot better then 95% of the other people trying to trade Forex for a living. I've studied the Mouteki's information and videos applied those concepts to my trading in the past 2-3 weeks and I must say that my trading has greatly improved. Just using the Fib Zone concept has provided me with some sound fondation to veiw market direction. In my trading I haven't been trying to hit it out of the ballpark like Mouteki has been doing, I'm just happy with consistently hitting singles and the occassional double. If it cost me $89 or $144 for 30 days to learn how I might be able to clear the bases with a home run every few weeks then I am willing to take a chance on Mouteki and what he has to offer. I know many of you few dupped, but any trader who has discovered or who already has a "real edge" just doesn't give it away for nothing. Read any of the other threads where some of the "professional" traders have been invloved, Inside Bar..Peter Crown, or any posts by "The Real Thing" or Jacko's thread. They all offer some free trading advice but none of them have givien away their "trading edge" for free.

I am no different from most of the people on this forum, in the past I have certainly given up my hard earned "cash" for some crap system or the promise of "this insider information" will transform the way you trade. For me personally, I believe I've received enough "value" from Mouteki's information that I am willing to part with $89 or $144 to see what's behing door number 3.
  • #1,277
  • Sep 29, 2008 11:35pm Sep 29, 2008 11:35pm
I can't believe the amount of scepticism surrounding this. And to even think this is a SCAM????
I can't help but feel a lot of jealousy here.

1) There is Money back guarantee.
2) If paying US$144 to get to know a trader like Mouteki gets all of you so worked up, I am seriously doubting if people here are actually MAKING REAL MONEY. Many successful traders and even fund managers continue to pay money to attend different courses as they continue to learn and improve.
3) EVEN IF the worst case scenario happens, and I lose $144, I'll take it as a lesson learnt. So be it!!!

Cheers everyone, please let Mouteki prove himself first, and then we'll comment.

I do think that he was wrong if he has broken any FF rules here.

I think Mouteki has much more to lose than me if he is a scam.

I have signed up, so all of you can be the first to laugh at me if it really becomes a scam. lol.
  • #1,278
  • Sep 29, 2008 11:43pm Sep 29, 2008 11:43pm
i dont know about this.... hes got an interesting method, but i just dont see it being worth the subscription. good luck to everyone who signs up. i think ill definitely be watching the videos over again. while i like his use of fib zones, i dont think its enough for entering a trade (even with the awesome occiliator). as for the overall and exiting strategies, this seems like a great method as far as rrr.

That being said, if i do subscribe to a group, i think it would be j16. price action just seems to have alot more potentional. but thats me.


James
  • #1,279
  • Sep 29, 2008 11:48pm Sep 29, 2008 11:48pm
Quoting Harry123
The latest video Looks juicy. Nice car there.
Hey draw enough lines on your charts and yes some of them are gonna get "respected".

Fibs are nothing new and you don't need to pay $233 a month for some wolf in sheeps clothing to show you how to trade them.

Yes rent a car chuck on a suit and where some shades so they can't see your lies... I'm very disapointed in this guys end to what looked to be a valuable thread on this forum.

Did anyone here that comment in the video about him being "the greatest trader in the world"! wow

Now I understand what those occasional outbursts of laughter you can here on some of the videos. This guy is seriously taking the piss.

Think about it 1000 subscribers at $89... Hmm sounds like a nice way to get back a blown account and start a fresh. Who cares if people stop subscribing cause a handful of suckers at the start is all he needs.

Oh well at least there are still some genuinelly kind hearted people out there on this great forum with some good threads.

I just can't believe one of those sleezy internet marketing types actually had the audacity to come into forex factory and drag a bunch of us onto his crappy sales site.

Makes me sick to be honest.
Good luck to you all

And BTW the Awesome occilator really isn't that awesome. but he knew that right...
Time hides Nothing
  • #1,280
  • Sep 30, 2008 12:03am Sep 30, 2008 12:03am
I remember that I supported this guy that time. But as a newbie, I really don't care. I am not going to pay him 144 cents for this. So, who cares. He can not take our money unless we are ready to give. I will not pay a dime as lot of free information here.

Well done, Mouteki..I am always surprised about all those successful people who boasts of making so much money and then die to get couple of hundred dollars from the....

-FX_California
Quoting iiivb
well...

i posted my suspicious @ september 1st.

http://www.forexfactory.com/showpost...&postcount=121

and ppl here simply spit on my face...

now u all see... this guy is a simple sales project.

and most certainly one more scam.

btw... here is the post where he started yelling and behaving like a baby saying being "offended" that ppl distrusted his "pure intentions". Liar and pathetic.

http://www.forexfactory.com/showpost...postcount=2280

he's been reported.

if he wants to keep this thread he must figure out how to move it to his PRIVATE ".com" page.

watch out newbies... not everything that shines is gold.

iiivb
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