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  •  cappalz
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Quoting Tranell
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I fully agree with SHAM.

HEDGING is definately out of the question.

Most beginners would think that this is their answer to their problems. But alas, sad to say, this may only be the beginning to the long and windy road downhill.

Learn to take your losses. Taking losses can be good.

Some of you may have experienced this in Hedging.

First, you start with a well intentioned trade. Then it starts to go wrong and you take positions on the other side. Now you think, wow, this platform is great. Not only will I protect my original position, I can even make some money along the way with no extra margins required.

Now... two scenarios can happen pending on the difference in prices of the positions taken. If the difference is small, then it is "ok" . But if the diffrence is 200 or more pips... then.....

Lets say... it is the larger of the two. After taking your positions, prices move against your new position. YOU ARE STUCK. You stress yourself up and keep wondering which way the market will move. Your mind is on the market all the time and you cannot concentrate on what you are doing. You have also tied up your capital. Which will not allow you to take a potentially profitable trade. Opportunity Cost.

Ok.. now lets say... one of the two positions is in profits of lets say 50 pips and signals are showing a reversal. You decide to take profits on this position and now HOPE that it will go back to your original position. A guru once said, in FX, do not smoke "HOP-ium". Prices now move a little and you are elated.

Now comes the bad news and the market turns for the worse. your FL is now more then 300 pips. What do you do ? Hedge again ? Or do you cut loss now.

This can be a never ending story. But it can come to a time when you decide to take your losses or more then 500 pips. And now you will be the happiest man on earth. WHY ? Cos, you dont have to worry about your positions anymore. You feel light and you go out to celebrate your losses. As the stress is now over. There is no more nursing a sick position.

But the morale of the story is, since you are so happy taking such a huge loss, why did you not take a small 30-50 pip loss in the very beginning ? You could have made it back in other opportunites as the above position can drag on for days and weeks.

Take Shams advise... he must have had the bitter pill himself.. and so have many experienced traders. Yours truly included.

MAY THE PIPS BE WITH YOU ALWAYS!
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GOT U BRO...

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hi cappalz,

may i know how you hedge?

regards
jest!

it really @#$% game man... dun do it.. if u play SL system u have to make sure atleast 60% winning 40% lose n in the end u will close atleast 10% or more every month... just roughly....

but then if u like headging system u will win every single trade... OR u will totally lose... almost of the time u will totally lose...

i cant give more to u... i been declare lose everything in forex on first place im started this micro acct... i just go system by system to prepair my next mini n standard acct...

for ur info this my 4th headging testing... n 3 time i control everyting on positive result (b4 i get strong advices personally from sham)...

anyway take ur time to find where ur advantages to cover ur weakness( advice from ur NEWB http://www.forexfactory.com/images/icons/icon10.gif )

edit : after i write everything... i see u have post 1k over page... erkk I talk to wrong person... maybe u one of the master of headging system
 
 
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  • Jun 4, 2008 6:00am Jun 4, 2008 6:00am
  •  jest1081
  • Joined Sep 2006 | Status: Chasing Trends | 2,339 Posts
Quoting cappalz
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GOT U BRO...



it really @#$% game man... dun do it.. if u play SL system u have to make sure atleast 60% winning 40% lose n in the end u will close atleast 10% or more every month... just roughly....

but then if u like headging system u will win every single trade... OR u will totally lose... almost of the time u will totally lose...

i cant give more to u... i been declare lose everything in forex on first place im started this micro acct... i just go system by system to prepair my next mini n standard acct...

for ur info this my 4th headging testing... n 3 time i control everyting on positive result (b4 i get strong advices personally from sham)...

anyway take ur time to find where ur advantages to cover ur weakness( advice from ur NEWB http://www.forexfactory.com/images/icons/icon10.gif )

edit : after i write everything... i see u have post 1k over page... erkk I talk to wrong person... maybe u one of the master of headging system
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Hi Cappalz,

i employ hedging too. but likely not in the manner that you do. Does ur broker allow you access to exotics?

Personally i approach hedging differently. I predominantly day-trade the USD and EUR. So i will need to offset

1. USD and EUR risks
2. Currency conversion risk

With regards to the current trend, what i do is to use a simple trend following approach by going long on usdsgd, if ur broker offers eursgd, it would be splendid too. bout time to smack the eur down.

anyway, the appraoch for hedging my usd and eur risk is not for profits but reduction of drawdown. When all trends goes in tandem, the hedge only adds to profitability. Ultimately these trades are non-correlative but it achieves a single function. i think more importantly you need to approach the issue of sizing maybe? There's no right or wrong in methodologies except for profitabilities.

Note that gold is now following the equities trend.....we may be reaching third stage...commodities may have ended their tango. inflation in asia may keep our currencies stronger against the west. so they are ideally the perfect hedge...period.

regards
jest
 
 
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  • Jun 4, 2008 6:04am Jun 4, 2008 6:04am
  •  samuel84
  • | Joined Jul 2006 | Status: Pip Hunter | 190 Posts
erm..off topic..malaysian peeps..go pump petrol.. ) by tonite it will be RM2.70 per liter..hehe...
 
 
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  • Edited 6:40am Jun 4, 2008 6:26am | Edited 6:40am
  •  Zack
  • | Joined May 2008 | Status: Member | 54 Posts
Quoting samuel84
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erm..off topic..malaysian peeps..go pump petrol.. ) by tonite it will be RM2.70 per liter..hehe...
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it is true??..haha.. but with oil prices now maybe there's no other way.. so guys lets make more pips to fill ur tanks..
be happy with what u have while u pursue what u want..
 
 
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  • Jun 4, 2008 7:02am Jun 4, 2008 7:02am
  •  Warren Forex
  • | Membership Revoked | Joined Sep 2006 | 1,802 Posts
I read this and in general understand but I would like to obtain a deeper understanding. Does anyone on this thread know the explanation that I am looking for ?

Here is the report I just read.

04 Jun 2008 09:09 GMT

BULLET: OPTIONS: - The move back below Y105.00 in spot this..

OPTIONS: - The move back below Y105.00 in spot this morning has prompted
a pick-up in vols, while traders note decent interest to sell upside
gamma. They also see flattening in the curve, together with good bids
for yen calls in the three-month and longer risk-reversals.
- The one-week is trading around 11.80 versus 11.50 at the European
open, with one-month at 11.65 versus 11.40 and one-year at 10.75 versus
10.60. The one-month 25-delta risk-reversal now trades 2.50 in favour of
yen calls versus 2.35 at the open.
- Euro-dollar vols are virtually unchanged from opening levels, with
the one-week now trading at 9.40, the one-month at 9.45 and the one-year
at 10.15. The one-month 25-delta risk-reversal now trades 0.25 in favour
of euro puts.

Provided by: Market News International


Bruce
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  • Jun 4, 2008 7:10am Jun 4, 2008 7:10am
  •  cappalz
  • | Joined Feb 2008 | Status: Member | 222 Posts
Quoting jest1081
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Hi Cappalz,

i employ hedging too. but likely not in the manner that you do. Does ur broker allow you access to exotics?

Personally i approach hedging differently. I predominantly day-trade the USD and EUR. So i will need to offset

1. USD and EUR risks
2. Currency conversion risk

With regards to the current trend, what i do is to use a simple trend following approach by going long on usdsgd, if ur broker offers eursgd, it would be splendid too. bout time to smack the eur down.

anyway, the appraoch for hedging my usd and eur risk is not for profits but reduction of drawdown. When all trends goes in tandem, the hedge only adds to profitability. Ultimately these trades are non-correlative but it achieves a single function. i think more importantly you need to approach the issue of sizing maybe? There's no right or wrong in methodologies except for profitabilities.

Note that gold is now following the equities trend.....we may be reaching third stage...commodities may have ended their tango. inflation in asia may keep our currencies stronger against the west. so they are ideally the perfect hedge...period.

regards
jest
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agreed with u... actually my headged on same pair...

anyway all UNheadged already since yesterday..

about sizing... for me almost newb traders including me headging coz to headged the capital from Margin Call... n that coz out of MM...

n that why b4 i jump to this forum im totally fail...

still not totally profitable on my headging system right now... most of the time just can catch BE or a little bit profit...

Im still in learning process on first stage in this industry actually... n still keep try n error with struggling afford...

nice pips to u bro...

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erm..off topic..malaysian peeps..go pump petrol.. ) by tonite it will be RM2.70 per liter..hehe...

Is it comfirm already BRO? argg... I gonna install NGV soon... NGV TWIN TURBO
 
 
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  • Jun 4, 2008 7:14am Jun 4, 2008 7:14am
  •  masakmerah
  • | Joined Jul 2007 | Status: Member | 16 Posts
Quoting Zack
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it is true??..haha.. but with oil prices now maybe there's no other way.. so guys lets make more pips to fill ur tanks..
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confirmed!!! Read The Star:-

http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story...025&sec=nation
 
 
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  • Jun 4, 2008 7:39am Jun 4, 2008 7:39am
  •  baronfei
  • | Joined Feb 2008 | Status: Artist | 132 Posts
Quoting Malaysia
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Welcome to the club!

p/s: Did you get to see Quicksilver from Brunei? If I am not mistaken... his trading acc just a few pips more to reach the USD1Million mark. He is quiet now... perhaps... time to get low... Retire Young... Retire Rich... with low profile. One of the silent Millionaire. For me... I give myself until I reach 40. Pursuing my dream and goal.
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I Pm-ed him but haven't heard from him yet!
Hey how old are you now by the way...? Hahaha... Trading full-time?
 
 
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  • Jun 4, 2008 7:43am Jun 4, 2008 7:43am
  •  Malaysia
  • Joined Oct 2007 | Status: Member | 6,522 Posts
Quoting Malaysia
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p/s: I bet by now all the Pump-Station owner must be stock piling all the oil they can get for quick profit. Duh... I got to go now... Filling up my Car's tank FULLLLLLLLL!!!!

http://content.sweetim.com/sim/cpie/...s/00020117.gif http://content.sweetim.com/sim/cpie/...s/0002020D.gif
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Just got back from filling up my car's tank. How I wish I got an extra tanks now.

Thanks John for the early alert. On my way back... I witnessed all the Pump-Stations are packed with queuing vehicles!!! Long queue everywhere!!! The roads also packed and jammed with all sorts of vehicles. They all go out to fill up the tanks after the announcement.

This is
the announcement... what I heard on the radio while driving.

PETROL up from RM1.92/litre to RM2.70

DIESEL up from RM1.58/litre to RM2.58

About 40% increment!!!

You guys got until MIDNIGHT to fill up whatever tanks you've got with the current price before the new price will be charged.


 
 
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  • Jun 4, 2008 8:02am Jun 4, 2008 8:02am
  •  Warren Forex
  • | Membership Revoked | Joined Sep 2006 | 1,802 Posts
04 Jun 2008 11:38 GMT

BULLET: US DATA: Challenger: "Planned job cuts soared to a...

US DATA: Challenger: "Planned job cuts soared to a 29-month high of
103,522 in May, marking the first time since December 2006 that monthly
layoff announcements surpassed 100,000. Job cuts last month were 15
percent higher than the 90,015 announced in April. It was the second
consecutive increase in monthly job cuts, following April's 68 percent
jump from March (53,579). May was 46 percent higher than a year ago
(71,115)."

Provided by: Market News International
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  • Jun 4, 2008 8:19am Jun 4, 2008 8:19am
  •  Malaysia
  • Joined Oct 2007 | Status: Member | 6,522 Posts
Quoting Malaysia
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CABLE M15 chart don't looks good for the BEAR... seems the BULL is retaliating. Just CLOSED my SHORT manually before hitting SL. Chicken!!!

SHORT on GEPPY still floating.
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Good ADP report... took out PROFIT of my Geppy SHORT manually now!!!

8:15pm USD http://www.forexfactory.com/images/m...mpact_high.gif ADP Nonfarm Employment Change 40K -30K 10K
 
 
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  •  Warren Forex
  • | Membership Revoked | Joined Sep 2006 | 1,802 Posts
Quoting Malaysia
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Good ADP report... took out PROFIT of my Geppy SHORT manually now!!!

8:15pm USD http://www.forexfactory.com/images/m...mpact_high.gif ADP Nonfarm Employment Change 40K -30K 10K
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They have been High in their numbers more often than 50% so ?

However jobs in service industry increased so perhaps ISM at 10:00 AM Non Manufacturing might be above Consensus ?

Staty tuned and be alert !!!

ADP Details:

Wednesday, June 4, 2008, 8:15 A.M. ET

Nonfarm private employment increased 40,000 from April to May 2008 on a seasonally
adjusted basis, according to the

ADP National Employment Report™. The estimated
change in employment from March to April was revised up from an increase of 10,000 to
an increase of 13,000.
Though May’s estimate for a moderate increase in employment is above consensus
forecasts of an outright decline, it nevertheless suggests continued weakness in
employment.
Employment in the service-providing sector of the economy grew 77,000, while
employment in the goods-producing sector declined 37,000, the eighteenth consecutive
monthly decline. Manufacturing employment fell 26,000 in May and marked the twentyfirst
consecutive monthly decline.
Large businesses, defined as those with 500 or more workers, saw employment decline
18,000, while medium-size companies with between 50 and 499 workers declined by
3,000. Conversely, employment among small-size businesses, defined as those with
fewer than 50 workers, advanced 61,000 during the month.
Two sectors of the economy hit hardest by recent problems in mortgage markets have
been residential construction and financial activities related to home sales and mortgage
lending. In May, construction employment dropped 13,000. This was the eighteenth
consecutive monthly decline, and brings the total decline in construction jobs since the
peak in August of 2006 to 298,000. However, May’s decline was the smallest since
January. In addition, employment in financial activities advanced 5,000 during May, the
third consecutive monthly gain.
For information on the construction and use of the
ADP Report, please visit the
methodology section of the
ADP National Employment Report website at


http://ADPemploymentreport.com/methodology.aspx.


Bruce
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  • Jun 4, 2008 8:40am Jun 4, 2008 8:40am
  •  Malaysia
  • Joined Oct 2007 | Status: Member | 6,522 Posts
Quoting Warren Forex
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They have been High in their numbers more often than 50% so ?

However jobs in service industry increased so perhaps ISM at 10:00 AM Non Manufacturing might be above Consensus ?

Staty tuned and be alert !!!


Bruce
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Hehehe... Intraday Trader I am... alert and reacting impromptu to whatever current sentiment. Like the Rumour of the OIL PRICE HIKE in Malaysia ... straight away I went out and top up my Car's tank.


 
 
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  • Jun 4, 2008 9:14am Jun 4, 2008 9:14am
  •  jest1081
  • Joined Sep 2006 | Status: Chasing Trends | 2,339 Posts
Quoting baronfei
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I Pm-ed him but haven't heard from him yet!
Hey how old are you now by the way...? Hahaha... Trading full-time?
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I used to meet him on msn alot and trade together. Very nice guy.

Have u guys heard of Orangeroshan of SRDC fame? he's another trader from Brunei too. Jarang see both online too now.
 
 
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  • Jun 4, 2008 9:15am Jun 4, 2008 9:15am
  •  Warren Forex
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Hehehe... Intraday Trader I am... alert and reacting impromptu to whatever current sentiment. Like the Rumour of the OIL PRICE HIKE in Malaysia ... straight away I went out and top up my Car's tank.

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Dear Friend

Here in Canada where we have lots of Oil we pay now about $1.30 a litre. There is 4.62 liters in a gallon so we now pay including government taxes included which is about 50% of price. Our cost is about $6.00 a gallon Canadian Dollars.

Bruce
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  • Jun 4, 2008 9:42am Jun 4, 2008 9:42am
  •  Malaysia
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Quoting Warren Forex
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Dear Friend

Here in Canada where we have lots of Oil we pay now about $1.30 a litre. There is 4.62 liters in a gallon so we now pay including government taxes included which is about 50% of price. Our cost is about $6.00 a gallon Canadian Dollars.

Bruce
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However here in Malaysia... the citizens are going MAD about this. It's INEVITABLE ... the price got to be INCREASED... but the citizens are lack of understanding ... why??? To make situations worst... wrong information given by certain politicians to gain popularity.

No body like anything becoming expensive... including me... but at least I am already know the INEVITABILITY of the oil price and others such as food... got to be increased. I am not that mad... I understand the current situation. Just got to survive in whatever situation.

Even after the HIKE... Malaysia OIL PRICE is one of the lowest in Asia... after Brunei.

Even with this new price.. the Government is SUBSIDIZING 30 cents per litre. Last time... subsidized more than RM1/litre.

Many citizens of Malaysia not grateful about this... (while other countries even got tax on the oil price). Too much dependant on GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIZE.


 
 
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  • Jun 4, 2008 9:56am Jun 4, 2008 9:56am
  •  Warren Forex
  • | Membership Revoked | Joined Sep 2006 | 1,802 Posts
04 Jun 2008 13:39 GMT

BULLET: US OUTLOOK: From JPM: ADP at +40k "may lend some to..

US OUTLOOK: From JPM: ADP at +40k "may lend some upside risk to our
forecast, but the results of this report are certainly no guarantee that
the BLS private payroll figures will be positive. In each of the last
six months the ADP estimate has overshot the first print of the BLS
payroll figure, with an average miss of 88,000. In fact, during the
current job market downturn the ADP report has only shown a payroll
decline in one month."

Provided by: Market News International
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  • Jun 4, 2008 10:07am Jun 4, 2008 10:07am
  •  Malaysia
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However here in Malaysia... the citizens are going MAD about this. It's INEVITABLE ... the price got to be INCREASED... but the citizens are lack of understanding ... why??? To make situations worst... wrong information given by certain politicians to gain popularity.

No body like anything becoming expensive... including me... but at least I am already know the INEVITABILITY of the oil price and others such as food... got to be increased. I am not that mad... I understand the current situation. Just got to survive in whatever situation.

Even after the HIKE... Malaysia OIL PRICE is one of the lowest in Asia... after Brunei.

Even with this new price.. the Government is SUBSIDIZING 30 cents per litre. Last time... subsidized more than RM1/litre.

Many citizens of Malaysia not grateful about this... (while other countries even got tax on the oil price). Too much dependant on GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIZE.


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Still remember last year when the Government Hike the Oil Price... Everyone gone MAD!!!

But we still surviving till now... no problem at all... even the GDP is growing more than 6%.

Understanding about how economic works give me the satisfaction and pleasure. It's all about SUPPLY And DEMAND. Part of NATURE. Can't really control the nature... only after certain point... then the NATURE take its course... no matter what... can't fight it.

Back to basic >>> EQUILIBRIUM. With this increasing OIL price will cause other things becoming expensive too... such as FOOD and TRANSPORTATION.

I remember last time when I was in the primary school ... the cost of "Nasi Lemak" (typical Malay food) was about 20cents per plate. Right now already RM1 per plate. My mom told me... she bought Nasi Lemak only for 2cents during her time. See the price just keep on INCREASING.. but we still SURVIVING.

Why??? With all the living cost INCREASING... our INCOME also INCREASING. I bet after this everyone will be demanding a pay rise due to improving standard of living. As long as the ECONOMIC growth is healthy... this will happen. Back to EQUILIBRIUM. We will survive.

The drawback... the countries with economic problems and shortage of food... will suffer more and more. Up to the wealthy countries to help them.

The fact of life: The RICH get RICHER... the POOR get POORER. Unfair isn't it... but it's happening all around us.
 
 
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  • Jun 4, 2008 10:14am Jun 4, 2008 10:14am
  •  Zack
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No body like anything becoming expensive... including me... but at least I am already know the INEVITABILITY of the oil price and others such as food... got to be increased. I am not that mad... I understand the current situation. Just got to survive in whatever situation.

Even after the HIKE... Malaysia OIL PRICE is one of the lowest in Asia... after Brunei.

Even with this new price.. the Government is SUBSIDIZING 30 cents per litre. Last time... subsidized more than RM1/litre.

Many citizens of Malaysia not grateful about this... (while other countries even got tax on the oil price). Too much dependant on GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIZE.


yeah.. the problem is the mentality and ignorance..wonder when will it change..
be happy with what u have while u pursue what u want..
 
 
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  • Jun 4, 2008 10:19am Jun 4, 2008 10:19am
  •  karimaero
  • | Joined Dec 2007 | Status: Newbie From Melaka | 36 Posts
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However here in Malaysia... the citizens are going MAD about this. It's INEVITABLE ... the price got to be INCREASED... but the citizens are lack of understanding ... why??? To make situations worst... wrong information given by certain politicians to gain popularity.

No body like anything becoming expensive... including me... but at least I am already know the INEVITABILITY of the oil price and others such as food... got to be increased. I am not that mad... I understand the current situation. Just got to survive in whatever situation.

Even after the HIKE... Malaysia OIL PRICE is one of the lowest in Asia... after Brunei.

Even with this new price.. the Government is SUBSIDIZING 30 cents per litre. Last time... subsidized more than RM1/litre.

Many citizens of Malaysia not grateful about this... (while other countries even got tax on the oil price). Too much dependant on GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIZE.


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Well the only asian country which is taxing the cars like mad is Malaysia and singapore.. the rest have cheap cars...we use to have cheap petrol but expensive cars.... but now expensive petrol and even expensive cars...lol

I suggest remove the car taxes and let it be cheaper like other countries... I wont mind paying higher fuel price.....
 
 
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