He was looking for the card so high and wild hed never need to deal another
ATP (Advanced Trading Philosophy) - Positioning For Success
- #362
- Edited 3:41pm Mar 19, 2008 3:25pm | Edited 3:41pm
- Joined Oct 2007 | Status: I'm on a 10 year plan. | 4,309 Posts
Ah well. Your grasp of the English language says it all.
Have fun and for those who want to follow this complete nonsense, don't say someone didn't warn you.
dr_who....you keep coming back to post on my thread. Better be careful, people may start to say that you like me
"Keep your eyes on the helpers" - Mr. Rogers
- #363
- Mar 19, 2008 3:34pm Mar 19, 2008 3:34pm
- Joined Oct 2007 | Status: I'm on a 10 year plan. | 4,309 Posts
Today saw some nice moves that played right into our pending orders. Though my account balance stayed about the same my equity saw a nice couple percent increase...curretnly sitting just under a 5% increase since I closed out my trades a week or so ago at 10% in profit.
Once I close out my DPTT for today I should also show a positive number in my Account balance.
I will be in and out for the next 1/2 hour and then I will be here making my trades.
I will upload my charts a little later.
Edit: Actually so far I am only able to close 1 DPTT in profit. This leaves me about 50.00 shy of where I started when I close out all my trades at the 10% margin of increase. All this time I have been able to keep my profits and add almost 5% equity to my account...Hot Dog
Once I close out my DPTT for today I should also show a positive number in my Account balance.
I will be in and out for the next 1/2 hour and then I will be here making my trades.
I will upload my charts a little later.
Edit: Actually so far I am only able to close 1 DPTT in profit. This leaves me about 50.00 shy of where I started when I close out all my trades at the 10% margin of increase. All this time I have been able to keep my profits and add almost 5% equity to my account...Hot Dog
"Keep your eyes on the helpers" - Mr. Rogers
Ok back to bizness!
Hi Damon and the Damonian gang
I'm glad to hear that some of you can make use of the flow chart. I've made some changes to it based on Damon's latest addition of the TAMB trade rules. I'll finish it up and upload it soon. And, as availdollars suggested to include some chart examples, I'll see what I can do about that. Will take a bit of time to collect good case studies to use for each rule.
So here's my homework for today, Sensei Damon. A few unique situations we're looking at today. Also I'm interested to see if I'm understanding the TAMB trade correctly. If yes, then you guessed right: I LOVE IT!!
Thank you, sir!
T.
Hi Damon and the Damonian gang
I'm glad to hear that some of you can make use of the flow chart. I've made some changes to it based on Damon's latest addition of the TAMB trade rules. I'll finish it up and upload it soon. And, as availdollars suggested to include some chart examples, I'll see what I can do about that. Will take a bit of time to collect good case studies to use for each rule.
So here's my homework for today, Sensei Damon. A few unique situations we're looking at today. Also I'm interested to see if I'm understanding the TAMB trade correctly. If yes, then you guessed right: I LOVE IT!!
Thank you, sir!
T.
- #365
- Mar 19, 2008 5:37pm Mar 19, 2008 5:37pm
- Joined Oct 2007 | Status: I'm on a 10 year plan. | 4,309 Posts
I just want to say welcome to you all and that if you have any questions please post them on the thread along with your chart so I can make sure that we are looking at the same thing.
I am glad that you are all here and that you decided to join us.
I will get back to my trades now.
TM - I will get to your homework soon enough. I think I should hire you to do my trades as well. You are like lightning and I am like snail
I am glad that you are all here and that you decided to join us.
I will get back to my trades now.
TM - I will get to your homework soon enough. I think I should hire you to do my trades as well. You are like lightning and I am like snail
"Keep your eyes on the helpers" - Mr. Rogers
I just want to say welcome to you all and that if you have any questions please post them on the thread along with your chart so I can make sure that we are looking at the same thing.
I am glad that you are all here and that you decided to join us.
I will get back to my trades now.
TM - I will get to your homework soon enough. I think I should hire you to do my trades as well. You are like lightning and I am like snail
I'm not sure how much you want to trust a beginner like me to handle your trades though 
I might be fast but I noticed while placing the trades according to my notes that I had TONS of mistakes/typos
So here's my revises homework. Please feel free to take points off for redoing
:
Damon,
one question I have about TAMB trades is how long do we continue to open these trades daily? If it's a long trend we'll have many pending TAMB trades trailing from way back when. When the trend actually reverses and starts to hit these trailing TAMB trades, it'll be lucrative in the beginning. But the further we progress into that trend, the more likelihood for a retracement or another reversal. Should we be concerned about the older TAMB orders, which if hit, are more susceptible to loss from reversal?
What if we limit the number of these hedging TAMB trades to a few? After all the purpose of TAMB orders is to capture a quick turn around and catch the new trend earlier, right? If that's the case then a few TAMB should be enough, and after that we just continue capturing the trend by placing new EES and DPTT trades etc.
...actually the more I ramble on, the more i'm starting to see the light...these TAMB trades will eventually get cancelled out anyways when we get ANOTHER reversal against them....hmmm... ok, I don't know what I'm talking about. I'll be quiet now.
Sorry if I confused anyone.
T.
one question I have about TAMB trades is how long do we continue to open these trades daily? If it's a long trend we'll have many pending TAMB trades trailing from way back when. When the trend actually reverses and starts to hit these trailing TAMB trades, it'll be lucrative in the beginning. But the further we progress into that trend, the more likelihood for a retracement or another reversal. Should we be concerned about the older TAMB orders, which if hit, are more susceptible to loss from reversal?
What if we limit the number of these hedging TAMB trades to a few? After all the purpose of TAMB orders is to capture a quick turn around and catch the new trend earlier, right? If that's the case then a few TAMB should be enough, and after that we just continue capturing the trend by placing new EES and DPTT trades etc.
...actually the more I ramble on, the more i'm starting to see the light...these TAMB trades will eventually get cancelled out anyways when we get ANOTHER reversal against them....hmmm... ok, I don't know what I'm talking about. I'll be quiet now.
Sorry if I confused anyone. T.
- #368
- Mar 19, 2008 7:32pm Mar 19, 2008 7:32pm
- | Joined Dec 2006 | Status: Poocher | 1,018 Posts
Damon,
one question I have about TAMB trades is how long do we continue to open these trades daily? If it's a long trend we'll have many pending TAMB trades trailing from way back when. When the trend actually reverses and starts to hit these trailing TAMB trades, it'll be lucrative in the beginning. But the further we progress into that trend, the more likelihood for a retracement or another reversal. Should we be concerned about the older TAMB orders, which if hit, are more susceptible to loss from reversal?
What if we limit the number of these hedging TAMB trades to a few? After all the purpose of TAMB orders is to capture a quick turn around and catch the new trend earlier, right? If that's the case then a few TAMB should be enough, and after that we just continue capturing the trend by placing new EES and DPTT trades etc.
...actually the more I ramble on, the more i'm starting to see the light...these TAMB trades will eventually get cancelled out anyways when we get ANOTHER reversal against them....hmmm... ok, I don't know what I'm talking about. I'll be quiet now.
T.
You just cleared up a lot about the true intention of the TAMB trade for me. Please keep the questions and answers on the same post coming.
TimeFreedom
TimeFreedom
Damon,
one question I have about TAMB trades is how long do we continue to open these trades daily? If it's a long trend we'll have many pending TAMB trades trailing from way back when. When the trend actually reverses and starts to hit these trailing TAMB trades, it'll be lucrative in the beginning. But the further we progress into that trend, the more likelihood for a retracement or another reversal. Should we be concerned about the older TAMB orders, which if hit, are more susceptible to loss from reversal?
What if we limit the number of these hedging TAMB trades to a few? After all the purpose of TAMB orders is to capture a quick turn around and catch the new trend earlier, right? If that's the case then a few TAMB should be enough, and after that we just continue capturing the trend by placing new EES and DPTT trades etc.
...actually the more I ramble on, the more i'm starting to see the light...these TAMB trades will eventually get cancelled out anyways when we get ANOTHER reversal against them....hmmm... ok, I don't know what I'm talking about. I'll be quiet now.
T.
- #370
- Mar 19, 2008 8:07pm Mar 19, 2008 8:07pm
- Joined Oct 2007 | Status: I'm on a 10 year plan. | 4,309 Posts
I apoligize...I lost internet connection
Please see the charts below:
Based on today's chart we would have had a number of things happening.
1. We would have placed the S/L of all current long orders based upon the red ST dot and the closing in red of the AO
2. Since our NLRE triggered yesterday we would be free to place any other short orders that present themseelves.
3. We would have a DPTT short
4. We would also have a Trend Reversal Trade (TRT) short.
5. All our pending orders and S/L would be placed at the low of Wednesday's bar.
6. We would also place a Long order above the high of Tuesday's bar based up our TAMB trades
Please don't be alamed if you are not getting the same results as me. You will when I have time to give you the rest of the strategies. In the meantime continue to learn how to quickly recognize the trades that I have given you.
I will go an answer posts now before bed.
Please see the charts below:
Based on today's chart we would have had a number of things happening.
1. We would have placed the S/L of all current long orders based upon the red ST dot and the closing in red of the AO
2. Since our NLRE triggered yesterday we would be free to place any other short orders that present themseelves.
3. We would have a DPTT short
4. We would also have a Trend Reversal Trade (TRT) short.
5. All our pending orders and S/L would be placed at the low of Wednesday's bar.
6. We would also place a Long order above the high of Tuesday's bar based up our TAMB trades
Please don't be alamed if you are not getting the same results as me. You will when I have time to give you the rest of the strategies. In the meantime continue to learn how to quickly recognize the trades that I have given you.
I will go an answer posts now before bed.
"Keep your eyes on the helpers" - Mr. Rogers
- #371
- Mar 19, 2008 8:24pm Mar 19, 2008 8:24pm
- Joined Oct 2007 | Status: I'm on a 10 year plan. | 4,309 Posts
Damon,
one question I have about TAMB trades is how long do we continue to open these trades daily? If it's a long trend we'll have many pending TAMB trades trailing from way back when. When the trend actually reverses and starts to hit these trailing TAMB trades, it'll be lucrative in the beginning. But the further we progress into that trend, the more likelihood for a retracement or another reversal. Should we be concerned about the older TAMB orders, which if hit, are more susceptible to loss from reversal?
What if we limit the number of these hedging TAMB trades to a few? After all the purpose of TAMB orders is to capture a quick turn around and catch the new trend earlier, right? If that's the case then a few TAMB should be enough, and after that we just continue capturing the trend by placing new EES and DPTT trades etc.
...actually the more I ramble on, the more i'm starting to see the light...these TAMB trades will eventually get cancelled out anyways when we get ANOTHER reversal against them....hmmm... ok, I don't know what I'm talking about. I'll be quiet now.
T.
I think you are right to a point. I was thinking no more than 10 in either direction. I think that would suffice. The other thing is that let's say we have a confirmed Trend Reversal Long, so all our TAMB trades are places short. Then we get a Confirmed Trend Reversal short and it starts eating up our sell stops
. The minute we get a confirmed Trend Reversal Long again, we would close out all the old pending trades and start fresh again.These are the two scenarios that I was thinking about. This way we also don't have orders that are months old and we also wouldn't have overlaping TAMB orders after a few different movments. We should really try to keep things pretty current.
Then if you get lets say 10 TAMB orders and then another one forms you would close out the oldest one that is the farthest away from the current price. The more I thing about it, maybe this should be the set way...to only have 10 and to always eliminate the one that is the farthest away.
Any thoughts?
"Keep your eyes on the helpers" - Mr. Rogers
- #372
- Mar 19, 2008 8:27pm Mar 19, 2008 8:27pm
- Joined Oct 2007 | Status: I'm on a 10 year plan. | 4,309 Posts
I'm learning from your posts when you comment and ask about stuff. Just finished the thread really and am extremely deliberate when learning so I plan on doing my share of rambling tman378.
I have nothing better to do while setting my trades for the day than to help you
"Keep your eyes on the helpers" - Mr. Rogers
- #375
- Mar 19, 2008 9:19pm Mar 19, 2008 9:19pm
- Joined Oct 2007 | Status: I'm on a 10 year plan. | 4,309 Posts
I was under the impression that we place the TAMB trades on the bar two days prior to the current bar which would make it Monday's bar?
TimeFreedom
I will try to upload a chart to explain it better, but now I need to go to bed
.
"Keep your eyes on the helpers" - Mr. Rogers
- #376
- Mar 19, 2008 9:20pm Mar 19, 2008 9:20pm
- Joined Oct 2007 | Status: I'm on a 10 year plan. | 4,309 Posts
Hi Demon and everybody,
I just arrived back home after a week out, and it's very great to me see how the thread grow.
Tony, TF, and all to give me some suggestions (or who have some problems) with the spreadsheet, please give a day, tomorrow morning I'll began to work on it.
Also I'll update the PDF with all new rules and I'll include the very clear and good job that tman378 do. (Thank a lot)
Now I go to sleep (is 1 AM in country) I hope see everybody tomorrow.
PS: Demon.... Thank a lot my friend
.Glad to have you back.
"Keep your eyes on the helpers" - Mr. Rogers
- #377
- Mar 19, 2008 9:22pm Mar 19, 2008 9:22pm
- Joined Oct 2007 | Status: I'm on a 10 year plan. | 4,309 Posts
Damon, I'll do your trades for free if you'll continue to correct my homework
I might be fast but I noticed while placing the trades according to my notes that I had TONS of mistakes/typos
So here's my revises homework. Please feel free to take points off for redoing
.I have to go to bed
"Keep your eyes on the helpers" - Mr. Rogers
Help!! Big problem!
Something terrible happened tonight. I had to close all my trades because my equity was growing too fast! It reached $1740 which was about 11% of my account equity. And as recommended by Damon, we should close out all trades when running profit = 10% of our account equity. So I did just that. (What a painful problem, huh?
But on a more serious note: now after wiping out all open trades, and looking at all the pendig orders that are left, I just have a bunch of TAMB trades that are the opposite direction of the current trends. And there were some pairs that look like they'll continue strongly on the original trend. So my question now is: how do we start over now? Do I wait until I get a new candle to place new trades in the direction of the continuing trend? Do we treat it like we never closed those trades, and just continue placing trend continuation trades (e.g. DPTT, 1UCT, 1DCT)? Or do we start over and place a new EES trade to begin the process over again?
I'm wondering if it would be worth while to scan through the pairs before closing out, and determine the ones that seem to be in a strong trend and have some room to continue. And maybe let those run and close out the rest. My feeling is that, by closing out of a trade that's in a good trend, it's like pulling ourselves out of trades prematurely only to jump back in at the open of new candle, and in the process missing out on some of the run in between. I wish there were some ways we can use indicators to tell us which of the pairs still have some move left and should remain open.
Would be interested to hear your thoughts on this matter.
Hope everyone is experiencing similar success with Damonian ATP.
Cheers,
Tony
Something terrible happened tonight. I had to close all my trades because my equity was growing too fast! It reached $1740 which was about 11% of my account equity. And as recommended by Damon, we should close out all trades when running profit = 10% of our account equity. So I did just that. (What a painful problem, huh?
But on a more serious note: now after wiping out all open trades, and looking at all the pendig orders that are left, I just have a bunch of TAMB trades that are the opposite direction of the current trends. And there were some pairs that look like they'll continue strongly on the original trend. So my question now is: how do we start over now? Do I wait until I get a new candle to place new trades in the direction of the continuing trend? Do we treat it like we never closed those trades, and just continue placing trend continuation trades (e.g. DPTT, 1UCT, 1DCT)? Or do we start over and place a new EES trade to begin the process over again?
I'm wondering if it would be worth while to scan through the pairs before closing out, and determine the ones that seem to be in a strong trend and have some room to continue. And maybe let those run and close out the rest. My feeling is that, by closing out of a trade that's in a good trend, it's like pulling ourselves out of trades prematurely only to jump back in at the open of new candle, and in the process missing out on some of the run in between. I wish there were some ways we can use indicators to tell us which of the pairs still have some move left and should remain open.
Would be interested to hear your thoughts on this matter.
Hope everyone is experiencing similar success with Damonian ATP.
Cheers,
Tony
