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  • #121
  • Jan 15, 2008 11:04am Jan 15, 2008 11:04am
Quoting PiPr Pro
is it possible to enter OCO (one cancels other) orders on vHands?
someone answered in another thread this cannot be done without an EA
  • #122
  • Jan 15, 2008 4:23pm Jan 15, 2008 4:23pm
Does anyone know whether it is possible to put an MTF indicator in a chart and have it update in real time?

Eg you are running a 5m chart and you have two indicators, a 5m stoch and an MTF 30m stoch. The 5m stoch will move up and down as the price data comes in, but for some reason the MTF stoch goes dormant and only updates if you go into the indicator settings and come back out.

It's a real pain as the primary reason I downloaded vHands was to see MTF stochs move up and down together in realtime.


Come to think of it, I think my MTF indicator might do that in normal trading too. Does anyone know of an MTF indicator in general where eg you can see the 30m stoch go up and down as the 5m chart updates in realtime?
  • #123
  • Jan 20, 2008 5:33am Jan 20, 2008 5:33am
Quoting Oromis
Did take a quick look at posts following this question, may have missed it, but seems there was no reply to it. Apologies if I did miss it however.

I assume this question was asked as the intent is to run the chart in full screen mode i.e. by pressing F11, and the tester window is not showing. All you have to do is press the pause key on your keyboard.
WHOA WHOA WHOA! Like Blueruby, I also never knew that key existed. Strange, as I was sure that it must be possible to pause by use of a key, so I just randomly jammed all over my keyboard and still had no luck. Must have missed the pause button somehow.

THANKS!!!
  • #124
  • Jan 22, 2008 1:10pm Jan 22, 2008 1:10pm
Can someone please help me with vHands...Can you give me the steps to do this..

1. I want to put in a Sell Stop order (sell below market price) at lets say 1.9811 with NO Stop Loss with 1 lot..

1. I want to Take Profit at say 1.9766...

What exact steps do I take..all Im able to execute now is a simple buy order..
Im wasting a lot of time I could be testing

Everything is running find I just need the steps...to put in something but a simple buy...

Thanks
Greg D
  • #125
  • Jan 22, 2008 2:37pm Jan 22, 2008 2:37pm
Quoting eegle
Can someone please help me with vHands...Can you give me the steps to do this..

1. I want to put in a Sell Stop order (sell below market price) at lets say 1.9811 with NO Stop Loss with 1 lot..

1. I want to Take Profit at say 1.9766...

What exact steps do I take..all Im able to execute now is a simple buy order..
Im wasting a lot of time I could be testing

Everything is running find I just need the steps...to put in something but a simple buy...

Thanks
Greg D
Did you read the pdf? this is one of the first things it explains.

Anyway, since you are still having troubles, I'll see if I can help.

To place a buy stop order:
Pause vHands
Double click on the MIDDLE dashed line under buy stop.
Drag it to where you would like to place your buy order on the screen.
Click F12 and it will advance the market 1 movement (1 tick, one candle, or whatever you have it set to under MODEL)
Your order will be placed.

To adjust the order:

Double click on the item you wish to adjust in the vhistory ticket section (bottom left of screen). Drag it. Hit F12. A yellow line will appear on the screen.
Double click that yellow line and drag it to where you want it. Then click F12.
Your order will be adusted.

You can also change the settings by double clicking and dragging onto the screen numbers in that box on the right at the SAME TIME you place the order (before you hit F12). After you change it it becomes the defualt setting. The purple numbers are the default numbers.

Problems you may encounter:

Don't place an order too close to market price because it won't work. vHands tries to calculate spread so the actual order will not be exactly where you place it, and if the order is too close for the spread then it won't work.

Just experiment with it, you will figure it out.
  • #126
  • Jan 22, 2008 2:38pm Jan 22, 2008 2:38pm
Forgot to mention, sell stop is done the same way. Take profit can be set by adjusting the order as mentioned.
  • #127
  • Jan 22, 2008 11:56pm Jan 22, 2008 11:56pm
Thanks for this, blueruby. I am up and running, thanks to you.

  • #128
  • Jan 26, 2008 12:24pm Jan 26, 2008 12:24pm
Hello everyone.
I have problem with this Vhands T S.

I attached chart. I cant see any play/stop button.

Where is they ?

I putted also indicators where they should be.. I did it one Nortfinance and Interbank.. NOthing works...

But, i cant see ex file. I tried to compile, but its doing like 5, 10 , 15 inutes and nothing.. SO i close meta editor also. Cant be that it takes so long time to compile..

Ok, forex market is closed today, but could this be a reason ?

How about those play/stop buttones? Where i need to look for them ?

Thank You in advance,
Tom
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  • #129
  • Jan 26, 2008 7:22pm Jan 26, 2008 7:22pm
I cannot believe how awsome this program is.

At first I couldn't get it to run, or I didn't know if I was working it correctly.

Thanks for your help I now have it.

Pooch
  • #130
  • Jan 27, 2008 12:39pm Jan 27, 2008 12:39pm
Its ok now. I found the mistake. I should not check the optimization.

Best,
Tom
  • #131
  • Jan 28, 2008 9:40am Jan 28, 2008 9:40am
Just seen and read Bluerubys useful thread here. Been using vHT since it came out & use it for all system tweaking and testing. Main focus here has naturally been technical.. how to setup, how to run how to debug problems. Great work Blueruby.

But can I change the subject a little and revisit the issues raised by Blueruby himself, sm31 and Kenmania in earlier posts (47, 59 etc) about their experience of using vHT. I think my experience is same as theirs. I´d really like to know if this is a general experience?

This only relates to higher TF systems 1h -4h - 1D.. ... But..as an example, I found that I took a random month of data from an obscure pair , traded it blind with vHT, I got results way above my current actual trading ROI...lower DD, much better Sharpe..and can I honestly say - without "cheating". I´ve even involved a colleague in these experiments, to setup a pair and tapeover the top left and timeline strip on the screen so I dont know the pair or month. Same result. ... and no its not simply sticking to system rules...

The professional industry have been using similar systems for training for years. but this is my first exposure to the phenomenon.

I´d like to know who else has experienced this and if so, what thoughts they might have on converting their vHT performance into a better live ROI.
  • #132
  • Jan 28, 2008 11:55am Jan 28, 2008 11:55am
Quoting cliffedwards
But can I change the subject a little and revisit the issues raised by Blueruby himself, sm31 and Kenmania in earlier posts (47, 59 etc) about their experience of using vHT. I think my experience is same as theirs. I´d really like to know if this is a general experience?

This only relates to higher TF systems 1h -4h - 1D.. ... But..as an example, I found that I took a random month of data from an obscure pair , traded it blind with vHT, I got results way above my current actual trading ROI...lower DD, much better Sharpe..and can I honestly say - without "cheating". I´ve even involved a colleague in these experiments, to setup a pair and tapeover the top left and timeline strip on the screen so I dont know the pair or month. Same result. ... and no its not simply sticking to system rules...

The professional industry have been using similar systems for training for years. but this is my first exposure to the phenomenon.

I´d like to know who else has experienced this and if so, what thoughts they might have on converting their vHT performance into a better live ROI.
Hi Cliff,

Excellent idea, and one which should take this thread to much higher heights!

I had the same experience, and Sizzler also reported the same. Well, actually he said that he was 100% good trades over a significant time period (a year if I remember right?).

You got me thinking about it.

I suppose trading with no fear of loss is a factor; however, I think time compression may be the main factor.

If 4H bars clicked off in real life the way they did on vhands, there would be less time for emotions to do their work.

Getting in - in live trading, sometimes I get impatient and jump in early. With Vhands, you can wait a few minutes until the setup looks really good, even get in on the exact bar that is the beginning of the big breakout quite often. If you miss it, it's just a few minutes to the next 4H setup.

Managing trades - if the trade moves against you or goes sideways, in Vhands you don't have a lot of time to think about it. In real life, it can drive you nuts waiting for a trade to go back into profit.

Getting out - same deal. Either it hits your target fast or goes clearly against you while you're watching, and you don't have time to think or fret about taking the profit, leaving money on the table, etc....

I think time compression is a big factor. Along those lines, more often than not, it seems my trades do better if I set a target and go back to bed. Compress that 4H bar! When I wake up, it's done!

It will be awhile before I go to that method. I still watch most my trades and get out if I have a decent profit rather than risk losing that by waiting for a target to get hit.

Rob
  • #133
  • Jan 28, 2008 2:38pm Jan 28, 2008 2:38pm
One thing we could do then is when we are live trading, run a Vhands sim up to the current time and evaluate your thinking. It will get you into the flow of what has happened recently with the benefit of it being compressed, which I agree may help.

On another note I am finding it annoying never knowing what time it is in Vhands, which is a problem if you want to trade only during London hours or something, for example. It takes forever for that little pop up when placing the cursor on a candle to show up...Is there any indicator out there that tells you the time of the current candle, I would imagine something like those price indicators that display price in big numbers at the top of the screen?
  • #134
  • Jan 29, 2008 1:43am Jan 29, 2008 1:43am
Great post Blueruby
You covered most of the bases here...
The time compression factor I´ve experienced with vHT shows up all the pressures you´ve listed, and puts my individual weaknesses in these areas into sharp perspective. and thats my small 2c. I think most of us have been looking at vHT as a "system testing & refining tool" but seems to me its equal value is as a "Trader testing" tool. When you can clearly identify and quantify a problem you are half way to a solution.

and one extra thing for your list Blueruby ..for me, it makes price action much easier to see and "feel". Watch price come up to a S/R line...bounces once, twice; falls back, retraces, puts in a little floor, gathers strength and "runs the light" - accelerating as it breaks through.. Or not..LoL!!
Sure, its all drawn there on the lower TF charts but you can "feel" it with time compression.anyone else experience that?

Nice practical suggestion 24HourTrader. I´ve recently started doing just that and yes..and I´m seeing results already!

as to your query, most time/session indicators use system time, which is no good in a simulator.
Go to http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=38467. .. download the Breakout_Eagle indy.. latest version.. and put it on your vHT template. It creates two boxes. One for establishing daily B/O range and second for trade duration. adjust the times to the session you want to highlight on the chart, and youll get a clear session box. Because it works in vHT..apart from solving your immediate problem, you´ll find it a good tool for vHT testing almost any B/O strategy...

Regards
  • #135
  • Jan 29, 2008 4:34am Jan 29, 2008 4:34am
Quoting 24HourTrader
One thing we could do then is when we are live trading, run a Vhands sim up to the current time and evaluate your thinking. It will get you into the flow of what has happened recently with the benefit of it being compressed, which I agree may help.

On another note I am finding it annoying never knowing what time it is in Vhands, which is a problem if you want to trade only during London hours or something, for example. It takes forever for that little pop up when placing the cursor on a candle to show up...Is there any indicator out there that tells you the time of the current candle, I would imagine something like those price indicators that display price in big numbers at the top of the screen?
Another good idea. I think it would be easy to create, I'll take a look when I get time, someone else will probably beat me to it, that's ok.
  • #136
  • Jan 29, 2008 4:37am Jan 29, 2008 4:37am
Quoting cliffedwards
and one extra thing for your list Blueruby ..for me, it makes price action much easier to see and "feel". Watch price come up to a S/R line...bounces once, twice; falls back, retraces, puts in a little floor, gathers strength and "runs the light" - accelerating as it breaks through.. Or not..LoL!!
Sure, its all drawn there on the lower TF charts but you can "feel" it with time compression.anyone else experience that?
absolutely, you don't have to wait around for it, it's just a lot more clear when it happens faster.
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Nice practical suggestion 24HourTrader. I´ve recently started doing just that and yes..and I´m seeing results already!

as to your query, most time/session indicators use system time, which is no good in a simulator.

I believe it uses GMT of the candle, that's the only time strategy tester sees.
  • #137
  • Jan 29, 2008 6:25am Jan 29, 2008 6:25am
Quoting cliffedwards
Great post Blueruby
You covered most of the bases here...
The time compression factor I´ve experienced with vHT shows up all the pressures you´ve listed, and puts my individual weaknesses in these areas into sharp perspective. and thats my small 2c. I think most of us have been looking at vHT as a "system testing & refining tool" but seems to me its equal value is as a "Trader testing" tool. When you can clearly identify and quantify a problem you are half way to a solution.

and one extra thing for your list Blueruby ..for me, it makes price action much easier to see and "feel". Watch price come up to a S/R line...bounces once, twice; falls back, retraces, puts in a little floor, gathers strength and "runs the light" - accelerating as it breaks through.. Or not..LoL!!
Sure, its all drawn there on the lower TF charts but you can "feel" it with time compression.anyone else experience that?

Nice practical suggestion 24HourTrader. I´ve recently started doing just that and yes..and I´m seeing results already!

as to your query, most time/session indicators use system time, which is no good in a simulator.
Go to http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=38467. .. download the Breakout_Eagle indy.. latest version.. and put it on your vHT template. It creates two boxes. One for establishing daily B/O range and second for trade duration. adjust the times to the session you want to highlight on the chart, and youll get a clear session box. Because it works in vHT..apart from solving your immediate problem, you´ll find it a good tool for vHT testing almost any B/O strategy...

Regards
Ah thanks a bunch for the link Cliff, this should solve the problem quite nicely.
  • #138
  • Jan 29, 2008 2:41pm Jan 29, 2008 2:41pm
Hmmm I can't seem to get the indicator to work in Vhands...but it does work on regular charts. I'll experiment.
  • #139
  • Jan 29, 2008 5:42pm Jan 29, 2008 5:42pm
Hi Blue,

To start with I would like to thank you from the bottom of my heart for this tool, Ive been using it for a month or so and has saved me many valuable hours of time.

The Ability to test systems or new ideas so quickly and easily over large amounts of data, USING DISGRETION, is absolutely priceless!

Also, I was wondering if there was a way to trade multiple timeframes using V-hands, I know it will not be possible to have two seperate chart windows open, but........

Maby having a MTF candle indicator 'like the one atatched below' that can be opened in the indicator window could be possible?
If you have any idea how to do this I would be very greatfull.

Thanks and Good trading,

Leon
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  • #140
  • Jan 29, 2008 5:45pm Jan 29, 2008 5:45pm
Sorry, getting quite dosey these days, lol. Heres the type of indicator I was talking about.

Good trading,

Leon
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