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  • #1,741
  • Jan 5, 2008 10:00am Jan 5, 2008 10:00am
On the TF discussion, it's interesting.

Many times, a 30 pips pullback in an 80 pips wide H4 is a price to buy /sell pullback for continuation, while many will call TREND REVERSAL!!!! in the M15.

And the bigger the timeframe the more important is the open price and the harder the candle turn direction (unless on huge data releases).
  • #1,742
  • Jan 5, 2008 10:24am Jan 5, 2008 10:24am
Quoting cesarnc
On the TF discussion, it's interesting.

Many times, a 30 pips pullback in an 80 pips wide H4 is a price to buy /sell pullback for continuation, while many will call TREND REVERSAL!!!! in the M15.

And the bigger the timeframe the more important is the open price and the harder the candle turn direction (unless on huge data releases).

Larger TF means you can enter a trade and walk away instead of watching it like a hawk. I once entered a trade and spent two days in red (-30 to -50) before it turned and gave me over 400 pips profit. Thats not what I prefer to happen but it just shows you to have patience and a large stopp loss
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  • #1,743
  • Jan 5, 2008 10:38am Jan 5, 2008 10:38am
Quoting cesarnc

And that talk of injecting liquidity into the markets: “joke, joke, joke – all of it,” Cramer said. “These bums simply don’t know how it works. They've never traded.”
That has always been Cramer's problem. The Fed should be concerned about the economy and not the markets. WTF do they care if the CEO of Bear Stearns doesn't get a fat Xmas bonus.

  • #1,744
  • Jan 5, 2008 10:39am Jan 5, 2008 10:39am
Quoting Big Wave Rider
Larger TF means you can enter a trade and walk away instead of watching it like a hawk. I once entered a trade and spent two days in red (-30 to -50) before it turned and gave me over 400 pips profit. Thats not what I prefer to happen but it just shows you to have patience and a large stopp loss
You are absolutley correct and I thought it was just me Good to know it's not my entry point (as long as I followed the rules).
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  • #1,745
  • Jan 5, 2008 10:47am Jan 5, 2008 10:47am
Hi BWR

8 crossing 13 is great on 1hr and 4hr ones..just did some back charting and its really good, i will be using it in my charts for trading crosses. I usually used to trade the 60/200 ema crosses on the 5mins/15mins successgully

imran

Quoting Big Wave Rider
Then you should trade the 8 crossing 13 on the 1hr TF
This year I am going to try to stick to 13 crossing 100 but that takes ALOT of discipline and patience. This is leaving positions open for a few months and thats hard.
  • #1,746
  • Jan 5, 2008 11:19am Jan 5, 2008 11:19am
Quoting imransait
Hi BWR

8 crossing 13 is great on 1hr and 4hr ones..just did some back charting and its really good, i will be using it in my charts for trading crosses. I usually used to trade the 60/200 ema crosses on the 5mins/15mins successgully

imran

Thanks, check out diary of a mad surfer in the journal factory for the explanation of my system. Its still a work in progress but I am still learning from it and hope that other people can contribute so we can learn together.
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  • #1,747
  • Jan 5, 2008 11:42am Jan 5, 2008 11:42am
Quoting Big Wave Rider
I wish I had a dollar everytime someone said "next week....tomorow....NY open.....should be interesting"
I wouldn't have to trade FX anymore... That being said, next week should be very interesting
Thanks BWR, I'll make a note of that for next time.......

HOLLA
  • #1,748
  • Jan 5, 2008 11:51am Jan 5, 2008 11:51am
Quoting cesarnc
As long as there is a direction, I don't give a rat's fat ass. Stocks are going to hell? Fine. I will follow them all the way embracing my carry trades

News is full of crap, because it's all BS and no one can figure out what the f--k is going on anymore.

New Year's motto: watch the charts, find my entry point, set my SL and TP and then go and enjoy life.....

HOLLA
  • #1,749
  • Jan 5, 2008 12:31pm Jan 5, 2008 12:31pm
Quoting Turtle
News is full of crap, because it's all BS and no one can figure out what the f--k is going on anymore.

New Year's motto: watch the charts, find my entry point, set my SL and TP and then go and enjoy life.....

HOLLA

It sure was fun watching the canidates trying to tell a bunch of Iowa farmers whats going on in the markets right now, as if they have a clue. Mybe Hilirary does as she is a big pharm investor.
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  • #1,750
  • Jan 5, 2008 12:38pm Jan 5, 2008 12:38pm
Quoting Big Wave Rider
It sure was fun watching the canidates trying to tell a bunch of Iowa farmers whats going on in the markets right now, as if they have a clue. Mybe Hilirary does as she is a big pharm investor.
FWIW some of the brightest minds in Finance are clueless when it comes to CDOs, CMOs and SIVs. No lie.
Patience + Humility + Study = Success
  • #1,751
  • Jan 5, 2008 1:09pm Jan 5, 2008 1:09pm
Quoting DutchTrader
FWIW some of the brightest minds in Finance are clueless when it comes to CDOs, CMOs and SIVs. No lie.
Then I must be one of them
What are these things you speak of?
Virtue finds and chooses the mean. Aristotle, Ethica Nichomachea
  • #1,752
  • Jan 5, 2008 1:18pm Jan 5, 2008 1:18pm
Quoting Turtle
News is full of crap, because it's all BS and no one can figure out what the f--k is going on anymore.

New Year's motto: watch the charts, find my entry point, set my SL and TP and then go and enjoy life.....

HOLLA
Funny story here... To accomplish exactly the same motto I'm going to dedicate more time to another biz I have and to other 2 new projects that can end up as startup companies by end of 2008.

As I still can't "enjoy life" as going to the beach everyday or buy a house in Mauritius, the best thing to stay off the computer will be work more

I'm just not the kinda guy who can stand idiot bosses or dribble corporate politics, envious business mates or those disgusting year end barbecues (when your idiot boss ends dancing samba on the table with the tie around his forehead, you know the drill).

Bottom line, if I'm not getting millionaire with forex, I might end up getting millionaire with the addiction tratment
  • #1,753
  • Jan 5, 2008 1:40pm Jan 5, 2008 1:40pm
Quoting Big Wave Rider
It sure was fun watching the canidates trying to tell a bunch of Iowa farmers whats going on in the markets right now, as if they have a clue. Mybe Hilirary does as she is a big pharm investor.
Or like, the farmers really care about the sub-prime issue? All they would be worried about are the subsidies they would receive for their crops. The candidates themselves don't have an idea as to what is really going on with the economy.
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  • #1,754
  • Jan 5, 2008 1:42pm Jan 5, 2008 1:42pm
Quoting cesarnc
Funny story here... To accomplish exactly the same motto I'm going to dedicate more time to another biz I have and to other 2 new projects that can end up as startup companies by end of 2008.

As I still can't "enjoy life" as going to the beach everyday or buy a house in Mauritius, the best thing to stay off the computer will be work more

I'm just not the kinda guy who can stand idiot bosses or dribble corporate politics, envious business mates or those disgusting year end barbecues (when your idiot boss ends dancing samba on the table with the tie around his forehead, you know the drill).

Bottom line, if I'm not getting millionaire with forex, I might end up getting millionaire with the addiction tratment
You'll get there and so will everyone else (who don't look for signals but rather use their brains and follow the charts).
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  • #1,755
  • Jan 5, 2008 1:56pm Jan 5, 2008 1:56pm
:surprised

Study: Monkeys 'pay' for sex by grooming
In the primate world, sex is subject to the law of supply and demand
By Gillian Wong
The Associated Press
updated 1:03 p.m. ET, Sat., Jan. 5, 2008

SINGAPORE - Male macaque monkeys pay for sex by grooming females, according to a recent study that suggests the primates may treat sex as a commodity.
"In primate societies, grooming is the underlying fabric of it all," Dr. Michael Gumert, a primatologist at the Nanyang Technological University in Singapore, said in a telephone interview Saturday.
"It's a sign of friendship and family, and it's also something that can be exchanged for sexual services," Gumert said.
Gumert's findings, reported in New Scientist last week, resulted from a 20-month observation of about 50 long-tailed macaques in a reserve in Central Kalimantan, Indonesia.
Gumert found after a male grooms a female, the likelihood that she will engage in sexual activity with the male was about three times more than if the grooming had not occurred.
And as with other commodities, the value of sex is affected by supply and demand factors: A male would spend more time grooming a female if there were fewer females in the vicinity.
"And when the female supply is higher, the male spends less time on grooming ... The mating actually becomes cheaper depending on the market," Gumert said.
Other experts not involved in the study welcomed Gumert's research, saying it was a major effort in systematically studying the interaction of organisms in ways in which an exchange of commodities or services can be observed — a theory known as biological markets.
Dr. Peter Hammerstein, a professor at the Institute for Theoretical Biology at Humboldt University in Berlin and Dr. Ronald Noe, a primatologist at the University of Louis-Pasteur in Strasbourg, France, first proposed the concept of biological markets in 1994.
"It is not a rare phenomenon in nature that males have to make some 'mating effort' in order to get a female's 'permission' to mate," Hammerstein said in an interview, likening the effort to a "fee" that the male pays.
"The interesting result of Dr. Gumert's research on macaque mating is that the mating market seems to have an influence on the amount of this fee," Hammerstein said.

Hammserstein said Gumert's findings indicate the monkeys are capable of adjusting their behavior to "different market conditions."
Gumert completed his fieldwork in February 2005 and first published his findings in the November issue of "Animal Behaviour," a scientific monthly journal.
2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22516331/
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2008 MSNBC.com
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  • #1,756
  • Jan 5, 2008 2:11pm Jan 5, 2008 2:11pm
A typical case of Supply and Demand , works in nature too


Quoting Ash
:surprised

Study: Monkeys 'pay' for sex by grooming
In the primate world, sex is subject to the law of supply and demand
By Gillian Wong
The Associated Press
updated 1:03 p.m. ET, Sat., Jan. 5, 2008

SINGAPORE - Male macaque monkeys pay for sex by grooming females, according to a recent study that suggests the primates may treat sex as a commodity.
"In primate societies, grooming is the underlying fabric of it all," Dr. Michael Gumert, a primatologist at the Nanyang Technological University in Singapore, said in a telephone interview Saturday.
"It's a sign of friendship and family, and it's also something that can be exchanged for sexual services," Gumert said.
Gumert's findings, reported in New Scientist last week, resulted from a 20-month observation of about 50 long-tailed macaques in a reserve in Central Kalimantan, Indonesia.
Gumert found after a male grooms a female, the likelihood that she will engage in sexual activity with the male was about three times more than if the grooming had not occurred.
And as with other commodities, the value of sex is affected by supply and demand factors: A male would spend more time grooming a female if there were fewer females in the vicinity.
"And when the female supply is higher, the male spends less time on grooming ... The mating actually becomes cheaper depending on the market," Gumert said.
Other experts not involved in the study welcomed Gumert's research, saying it was a major effort in systematically studying the interaction of organisms in ways in which an exchange of commodities or services can be observed — a theory known as biological markets.
Dr. Peter Hammerstein, a professor at the Institute for Theoretical Biology at Humboldt University in Berlin and Dr. Ronald Noe, a primatologist at the University of Louis-Pasteur in Strasbourg, France, first proposed the concept of biological markets in 1994.
"It is not a rare phenomenon in nature that males have to make some 'mating effort' in order to get a female's 'permission' to mate," Hammerstein said in an interview, likening the effort to a "fee" that the male pays.
"The interesting result of Dr. Gumert's research on macaque mating is that the mating market seems to have an influence on the amount of this fee," Hammerstein said.

Hammserstein said Gumert's findings indicate the monkeys are capable of adjusting their behavior to "different market conditions."
Gumert completed his fieldwork in February 2005 and first published his findings in the November issue of "Animal Behaviour," a scientific monthly journal.
2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22516331/
MSN Privacy . Legal
2008 MSNBC.com
  • #1,757
  • Jan 5, 2008 3:07pm Jan 5, 2008 3:07pm
Quoting Ash
:surprised

Study: Monkeys 'pay' for sex by grooming
And some say Man didn't come from the Monkeys

  • #1,758
  • Jan 5, 2008 3:34pm Jan 5, 2008 3:34pm
THAT'S what I'm talking about!

http://www.terra.com/addon/img/19f5c...ose600-59p.jpg
  • #1,759
  • Jan 5, 2008 6:17pm Jan 5, 2008 6:17pm
Quoting Big Wave Rider
It sure was fun watching the canidates trying to tell a bunch of Iowa farmers whats going on in the markets right now, as if they have a clue. Mybe Hilirary does as she is a big pharm investor.
You should hear some of the radio stations down here in NC, folks all happy on Friday about what Obama said......please, first it's early, second most of the time, what they say prior to becoming president, never seems to happen....this has been going on for years, you just want to shout...

WAKE UP PEOPLE.......

HOLLA
  • #1,760
  • Jan 5, 2008 6:24pm Jan 5, 2008 6:24pm
Quoting cesarnc
Funny story here... To accomplish exactly the same motto I'm going to dedicate more time to another biz I have and to other 2 new projects that can end up as startup companies by end of 2008. I salute you.........

As I still can't "enjoy life" as going to the beach everyday or buy a house in Mauritius, the best thing to stay off the computer will be work more You still can...if you love what your doing......

I'm just not the kinda guy who can stand idiot bosses or dribble corporate politics, envious business mates or those disgusting year end barbecues (when your idiot boss ends dancing samba on the table with the tie around his forehead, you know the drill). I feel ya there, I had a couple of knucklehead bosses during my military time....the bad thing was I couldn't speak how I felt, regardless if everyone felt the same way.....damm politics...
HOLLA
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