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  • First Post: Dec 5, 2007 1:25am Dec 5, 2007 1:25am
  •  zeetz
  • | Joined Aug 2006 | Status: Member | 9 Posts
WOW....This will affect several IB's.
Link to the case action: BASIC Case Summary

They cannot accept any new postions/trades/etc...

Copy of email.
Tuesday, December 04, 2007

RE: Account # XXXXX

To our Valued Clients:

The National Futures Association has today issued a Member Responsibility Action against FXLQ. You can find the notice on the NFA’s website: BASIC Details.

Effective immediately, FXLQ is not allowed to take on any new customer positions. Therefore, all of our systems have been set to allow only rollover and liquidations.

We apologize for any inconvenience this has caused, and direct you to our website if you wish to withdraw your funds: www.fxlq.com/docs.

We are working diligently to clear this up as quickly as possible and look forward to renewing a full relationship with our customers.

Sincerely,

Robert Gray

President

Forex Liquidity LLC

------------------------------------ and:

NOTICE OF MEMBER RESPONSIBILITY ACTION:

On December 4, 2007, NFA issued a Member Resonsibility Action ("MRA") against FXLQ whereby:

1. Effective immediately, FXLQ is prohibited from soliciting or accepting any additional customer accounts or customer funds, except as security deposits for existing positions. The prohibition on solicitation includes, without limitation, ceasing solicitation through the firm's website.

2. Effective immediately, FXLQ is prohibited from accepting or placing trades for any customer accounts except for the rollover or liquidation of currently existing customer positions. FXLQ must obtain the ongoing assent of customers to rollover any customer's existing positions.

3. FXLQ is required to liquidate all Forex positions held in any account for FXLQ or any FXLQ principal except for positions that are held to offset FXLQ's exposure resulting from its customers' positions by 3:00 p.m. (PST) on Wednesday, December 5, 2007, and, further, is prohibited from initiating any additional positions in such accounts.

4. FXLQ is prohibited from distributing, disbursing or transferring any funds, including to existing customers, without the prior approval of NFA.

5. Unless otherwise authorized by NFA in writing, FXLQ must transfer any and all assets not currently held at US Bank or an NFA Member FCM to US Bank or an NFA Member FCM by 3:00 p.m. (PST) on Wednesday, December 5, 2007, and provide documentation that such transfer has occurred.

6. FXLQ is required to produce to NFA financial statements including net capital computations as of December 4, 2007. The financial statements must properly reflect all assets and liabilities and the firm's current capital position as well as a listing of all current assets and liabilities and provide third party documentation supporting the existence and location of those items.

7. This MRA shall remain in effect until such time as FXLQ has demonstrated to the satisfaction of NFA that it is in complete compliance with all NFA requirements. In making such a demonstration FXLQ must provide NFA with an internal control report and certified financial statement, which are prepared by an independent public accountant who is registered under Section 102 of the Sarbanes Oxley Act and has demonstrated experience and competence in auditing matters required under Section 404 of the Sarbanes Oxley Act.

The internal control report shall contain, at a minimum, a detailed explanation of the examination performed by the accountant and a representation by the accountant that it has examined and tested FXLQ's system of internal controls to provide reasonable assurance regarding the reliability of financial reporting and the preparation of financial statements for external purposes in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles ("GAAP"), including those policies and procedures that:

a. Pertain to the maintenance of records that in reasonable detail accurately and fairly reflect the transactions and dispositions of the assets and customer liabilities of FXLQ;

b. Provide reasonable assurance that the transactions are recorded as necessary to permit preparation of financial statements in accordance with GAAP, and that receipts and expenditures are being made only in accordance with authorizations of management and directors of FXLQ; and

c. Provide reasonable assurance regarding prevention or timely detection of unauthorized acquisition, use or disposition of FXLQ's assets and customer liabilities that could have a material effect on the financial statements.

The internal control report must contain a representation by the public accountant that it has found FXLQ's system of internal controls has no material weaknesses and that it is adequate for establishing and maintaining internal control over financial reporting by FXLQ.

8. In taking any action under this MRA, FXLQ must act in the best interests of its customers.

This action is effective immediately and is deemed necessary to protect customers because FXLQ has failed to demonstrate that it meets the capital requirements of NFA Financial Requirements Sections 1 and 11. Additionally, FXLQ provided materially false or misleading information to NFA.

The MRA will remain in effect until such time as FXLQ has demonstrated to the satisfaction of NFA that it is in complete compliance with all NFA Requirements. FXLQ is required to provide copies of this MRA, by overnight courier, to all of its customers, to all banks and other financial institutions with which it has money on deposit, and to all persons that solicit or introduce customers to FXLQ or that manage customer accounts held at FXLQ.
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I think many in the USA will start looking offshore to trade forex...seems the NFA in the US is trying to shut everyone down slowly but surely (?)
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  • Dec 5, 2007 2:11am Dec 5, 2007 2:11am
  •  Moe
  • | Membership Revoked | Joined Mar 2005 | 4,703 Posts
can't teach a old dog like robert gray new tricks.
If I Go Broke Trying Then I Will die happy.
 
 
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  • Dec 5, 2007 2:23am Dec 5, 2007 2:23am
  •  Moe
  • | Membership Revoked | Joined Mar 2005 | 4,703 Posts
Quoting zeetz
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I think many in the USA will start looking offshore to trade forex...seems the NFA in the US is trying to shut everyone down slowly but surely (?)
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there just trying to prevent another refco from happening, good job by the n.f.a.
If I Go Broke Trying Then I Will die happy.
 
 
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  • Dec 5, 2007 4:06am Dec 5, 2007 4:06am
  •  fayz0r
  • | Joined Mar 2007 | Status: UberFay: Lebanese FTW!!! | 156 Posts
Quoting Moe
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there just trying to prevent another refco from happening, good job by the n.f.a.
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agreed
Fay All Time Return: -98.7%
 
 
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  • Dec 5, 2007 1:13pm Dec 5, 2007 1:13pm
  •  jamesanderson
  • | Joined Jun 2007 | Status: Member | 54 Posts
The NFA is far from perfect but by shutting these guys down they not only protect the consumer but hopefully will also attract legitimate players to the market. While it is good to have a large variety of choices to trade with, it is not good to have a bunch of them be small and scam artists. I really don't know why the NFA isn't as strict as the SEC. It's about time that happened.
 
 
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  • Dec 5, 2007 3:58pm Dec 5, 2007 3:58pm
  •  Moe
  • | Membership Revoked | Joined Mar 2005 | 4,703 Posts
Quoting jamesanderson
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The NFA is far from perfect but by shutting these guys down they not only protect the consumer but hopefully will also attract legitimate players to the market. While it is good to have a large variety of choices to trade with, it is not good to have a bunch of them be small and scam artists. I really don't know why the NFA isn't as strict as the SEC. It's about time that happened.
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there getting there, im glad there here.
If I Go Broke Trying Then I Will die happy.
 
 
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  • Dec 5, 2007 8:02pm Dec 5, 2007 8:02pm
  •  Moe
  • | Membership Revoked | Joined Mar 2005 | 4,703 Posts
live chat with interbankfx.

http://server.iad.liveperson.net/hcp...o/chatinfo.gifThank you for contacting us. The next available agent will be right with you. Our goal is quality service. You may tell us how we do today by clicking HERE.
http://server.iad.liveperson.net/hcp...o/chatinfo.gifYou are now chatting with 'Client Services 50'
Client Services 50: Hello, this is Chris. How may I help you?
you: it's a known fact that interbankfx uses fxlq as there liqutiy provider, with case against fxlq by n.f.a. it scares me
you: whats going on with that
Client Services 50: just a moment
you: please explain and be honest
you: ok
Client Services 50: They were one of our liquidity providers but we do not use them anymore
you: just last month on the forum you guys say you where using them, since when things change
Client Services 50: we use a number of
Client Services 50: liquidity providers, they were just one
Client Services 50: due to the NFA action, we no longer us them
you: how many liquidity providers do you have and is interbankfx a non-dealing desk broker
Client Services 50: We do have multiple partnerships that include but not limited to Citibank, Deutshe Bank, Bank of America, Barclays and Goldman Sachs. These can change at any time and new providers can be added without notice.
you: is interbankfx a non-dealing desk broker
Client Services 50: yes, this remains the same
you: well how or trades offset do we trade with the banks or do you guys have to offset the trade
Client Services 50: we provide you the best price from our liquidity providers, we pass your trades directly to them, of course they have a dealing desk as they are the ones filling your trades,
If I Go Broke Trying Then I Will die happy.
 
 
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  • Dec 5, 2007 8:13pm Dec 5, 2007 8:13pm
  •  PipStar
  • | Joined Mar 2006 | Status: Member | 752 Posts
Given that InterbankFX started using bucket shop tactics since the start of this year, this is hardly surprising since their primary liquidity provider is FXLQ. As Moe points out this was mentioned several times on IBFX forum by their own reps. Recently though the IBFX forum has been pulled down.
 
 
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  • Dec 6, 2007 8:27am Dec 6, 2007 8:27am
  •  lcfxtrader
  • | Commercial Member | Joined Jan 2007 | 460 Posts
Justed wanted to say thanks to the members for this notification. I just requested my funds be pulled so we'll see what happens. LOL
 
 
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  • Dec 6, 2007 1:20pm Dec 6, 2007 1:20pm
  •  FXCM Rep
  • | Joined Mar 2007 | Status: Member | 7 Posts
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FXCM Group is one of the most well capitalized Forex brokers currently holding over $120,000,000 in firm capital. FXCM Group is regulated in 4 international jurisdictions including the United States, United Kingdom, British Columbia, and Hong Kong. Long Ridge Hedge Fund and a premier Wall Street investment bank have directly expressed a vote of confidence in FXCM by purchasing a 35% share in the firm. Clients trading with FXCM also benefit from FXCM’s No Dealing Desk execution model, which allows the firm to have no bias against clients’ positions.

FXCM Group is registered and Regulated in 4 international jurisdictions including the United Kingdom, which provides clients with full Segregated Fund protection - www.fxcm.com/regulation.jsp

FXCM Group holds over $120,000,000 in firm capital – FXCM is the only privately held Forex Dealer Member to publicly post their Balance Sheet - www.fxcm.com/company-profile.jsp

Long Ridge Hedge Fund and a premier Wall Street investment bank have collectively purchased a 35% share in FXCM – a vote of confidence in FXCM - www.fxcm.com/news-release.jsp

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Kind Regards,

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www.FXCM.com
 
 
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  • Dec 6, 2007 1:50pm Dec 6, 2007 1:50pm
  •  Marilyn
  • | Joined Dec 2007 | Status: Member | 20 Posts
Commerical post for FXCM??
 
 
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  • Dec 6, 2007 2:18pm Dec 6, 2007 2:18pm
  •  Moe
  • | Membership Revoked | Joined Mar 2005 | 4,703 Posts
Quoting Marilyn
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Commerical post for FXCM??
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i have to agree, but they or the biggest, so they can brag a little.
If I Go Broke Trying Then I Will die happy.
 
 
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  • Dec 6, 2007 2:42pm Dec 6, 2007 2:42pm
  •  jamesanderson
  • | Joined Jun 2007 | Status: Member | 54 Posts
Quoting Moe
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i have to agree, but they or the biggest, so they can brag a little.
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haha yeah. Well at least you can take it as a good comparison for how a much more established broker likes to present itself as vs a non-established one. The non-established one thought that by simply presenting themselves as if they have enough capital they will instantly become reputable. This proves exactly why those types of smoke and mirrors have to be watched out for. It has to be the whole package that looks reputable.
 
 
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  • Dec 6, 2007 2:45pm Dec 6, 2007 2:45pm
  •  Moe
  • | Membership Revoked | Joined Mar 2005 | 4,703 Posts
there's nobody bigger then oanda, fxcm, gft, interbankfx., that a forex only broker, this is true.
If I Go Broke Trying Then I Will die happy.
 
 
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  • Dec 6, 2007 5:23pm Dec 6, 2007 5:23pm
  •  jamesanderson
  • | Joined Jun 2007 | Status: Member | 54 Posts
Quoting Moe
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live chat with interbankfx.

http://server.iad.liveperson.net/hcp...o/chatinfo.gifThank you for contacting us. The next available agent will be right with you. Our goal is quality service. You may tell us how we do today by clicking HERE.
http://server.iad.liveperson.net/hcp...o/chatinfo.gifYou are now chatting with 'Client Services 50'
Client Services 50: Hello, this is Chris. How may I help you?
you: it's a known fact that interbankfx uses fxlq as there liqutiy provider, with case against fxlq by n.f.a. it scares me
you: whats going on with that
Client Services 50: just a moment
you: please explain and be honest
you: ok
Client Services 50: They were one of our liquidity providers but we do not use them anymore
you: just last month on the forum you guys say you where using them, since when things change
Client Services 50: we use a number of
Client Services 50: liquidity providers, they were just one
Client Services 50: due to the NFA action, we no longer us them
you: how many liquidity providers do you have and is interbankfx a non-dealing desk broker
Client Services 50: We do have multiple partnerships that include but not limited to Citibank, Deutshe Bank, Bank of America, Barclays and Goldman Sachs. These can change at any time and new providers can be added without notice.
you: is interbankfx a non-dealing desk broker
Client Services 50: yes, this remains the same
you: well how or trades offset do we trade with the banks or do you guys have to offset the trade
Client Services 50: we provide you the best price from our liquidity providers, we pass your trades directly to them, of course they have a dealing desk as they are the ones filling your trades,
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Hey Moe,From what I understand from talking to other brokers it is highly against their non-disclosure agreements to give the names of their liquidity providers. Every other broker I have ever spoken to was not allowed to tell. I wonder why IBFX would risk that...
 
 
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  • Dec 6, 2007 8:45pm Dec 6, 2007 8:45pm
  •  PipStar
  • | Joined Mar 2006 | Status: Member | 752 Posts
Quoting jamesanderson
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Hey Moe,From what I understand from talking to other brokers it is highly against their non-disclosure agreements to give the names of their liquidity providers. Every other broker I have ever spoken to was not allowed to tell. I wonder why IBFX would risk that...
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My guess is that IBFX are finding themselves a little bit under pressure lately.
It would be very surprising if the banks mentioned above were their liquidity providers. Can you see these banks dealing with micro/mini accounts?
 
 
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  • Dec 7, 2007 2:35am Dec 7, 2007 2:35am
  •  Moe
  • | Membership Revoked | Joined Mar 2005 | 4,703 Posts
Quoting jamesanderson
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Hey Moe,From what I understand from talking to other brokers it is highly against their non-disclosure agreements to give the names of their liquidity providers. Every other broker I have ever spoken to was not allowed to tell. I wonder why IBFX would risk that...
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this is the answer they gave me, i just can't see those bank dealing with micro lots, makes me think that ibfx has to put customers order together before those banks would take that order, all this can be done without a deal desk, if you have the right program.
If I Go Broke Trying Then I Will die happy.
 
 
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  • Dec 7, 2007 8:17am Dec 7, 2007 8:17am
  •  ForexSean
  • | Joined Nov 2005 | Status: Member | 29 Posts
Quoting PipStar
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My guess is that IBFX are finding themselves a little bit under pressure lately.
It would be very surprising if the banks mentioned above were their liquidity providers. Can you see these banks dealing with micro/mini accounts?
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Oh, you mean GS doesn't allow you to trade $1,000 at a time? I've said this before, be VERY leary of any firm that claim things that are too good to be true. In the person's response from Interbank, they basically contracted themselves- "we pass the trades directly through to one of our liquidity providers"...so they do operate a desk. If they claim they have some intuitive blackbox which automatically pushes the trade to the proper Bid/Ask, they don't...as MT4s backoffice is not that sophisticated. Hence, firms like Gain and IFX Markets (and most likely FXCM) do or will be offering the MT4 user interfact with THEIR OWN backoffice.
 
 
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  • Dec 7, 2007 9:33am Dec 7, 2007 9:33am
  •  Marilyn
  • | Joined Dec 2007 | Status: Member | 20 Posts
Hi ForexSean...

The MT4 back office doesn't process the best bid/ask - that is true.. however there is a program that manages the feeder files and sends the best bid & ask through to the MT platforms.

As for the smaller lot sizes.. You are right, the bigger banks don't want those trades. The little ones are netted and then sent through.

Just so we are all upfront.. I work for IBFX. Not here to cause issues or get growled at... but I used to spend a bit of time on the IBFX forum & the Equis forum before that.. we had to take our IBFX forum down because of potential liability issues so I was looking for a new place to chat with traders.

M
 
 
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  • Dec 7, 2007 9:48am Dec 7, 2007 9:48am
  •  nvwine
  • Joined Feb 2005 | Status: Member | 1,747 Posts
Welcome to the forum Marilyn. Too bad about your forum. I was wondering where it went.
 
 
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