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  • #1
  • First Post: Dec 2, 2007 2:53am Dec 2, 2007 2:53am
Hello.

I am searching for trading systems with extreme risk/reward ratios.

Basically, I want systems that either make 1000 percent in 6 months, or go broke.

So the system can generate 1000 percent 2 out of 10 six month periods, and the other 8 six month periods it can bankrupt my account.

These systems can be Martingale, DeAllembro, or Fibonacci, or whatever.

Any suggestions are welcome.

Regards.

PS) I like these systems as additional hedges for my portfolio.
  • #2
  • Dec 2, 2007 3:59am Dec 2, 2007 3:59am
Quoting tdion
Hello.

I am searching for trading systems with extreme risk/reward ratios.

Basically, I want systems that either make 1000 percent in 6 months, or go broke.

So the system can generate 1000 percent 2 out of 10 six month periods, and the other 8 six month periods it can bankrupt my account.

These systems can be Martingale, DeAllembro, or Fibonacci, or whatever.

Any suggestions are welcome.

Regards.

PS) I like these systems as additional hedges for my portfolio.

GOOD LUCK, because anything that makes you that much in that short of time, will eventually loose your whole account, unless you stop it at the maximum point and not let it trade further.
  • #3
  • Dec 2, 2007 8:10am Dec 2, 2007 8:10am
The tricky part is determining the high point. If you seriously think you can pull it off, use my modified version of tkimble's daily system, recreated below:

Quote

  1. Open a daily chart of an extremely volatile chart. (I suggest GBYJPY)
  2. Determine the trend of the previous day (Open > Close = Up, Close > Open = Down). If close = open, look to the previous day.
  3. At 00:00 GMT, open a market order in the same direction as the previous day with a stop and reverse order at 40 pips.
  4. If the stoploss is hit, make sure you open the opposite order immediately. (If previous was a buy, then sell and vice versa)
  5. If the pair moves to 40 pips in the money (40 pips profit) move the stoploss to breakeven.
  6. Close the order at 23:00 GMT

NOTE: Lot Sizing; Size lots so that you can lose 5 times in a row. Risk 20% of your account for each trade.

For example, if I had a $200 account and 500:1 leverage, I'd use 0.1 Lots.


I managed a 4,000% increase in two weeks before the EA I coded crashed and brought me back to $600. I figure if you can watch the markets that closely, then go for it.
  • #4
  • Dec 2, 2007 9:20am Dec 2, 2007 9:20am
Big Balls System (posted on 4xusers by Robert Cheng)


According to him, he and his wife have been getting a 90% success rate using what I call "The Big Balls Stategy". I must say, when he showed me his printed account summary, I was quite impressed - finally, someone that has consistent results with the full documentation to back it up.

His strategy involves making a market order, either buying or shorting, and setting a 10-pip limit, with a 200 pip stop. Yes, you heard me, a 200 pip stop!

I don't know about you, but this is contrary to what I've been taught about Money Management. Instead of a 1:2 risk/reward, he's got a 20:1 risk reward ratio.

His technique involves:

1. Scalping (only looking for 10 pips)
2. Trading all 17 currencies (any currency will do)
3. Trading size of 2 lots at a time
4. Trading on a standard accout of $50,000.
5. Sitting in front of the computer 2 hours every evening, between GMT1500 - GMT2200.
6. Entering the trade, turning off the computer, and forgetting about it & going to sleep
7. Waking up the next morning to look at the results
8. Active/Swing trading - 50% of his trades lasted under an hour, while the rest were under a day.
9. Ignorning all news information, including alerts, events, interest rate announcements, terrorism, etc.
10. Pure technical trading
11. Deep, deep, pockets.
12. Balls. Big balls.
Same Whore .... Different Dress
  • #5
  • Dec 2, 2007 9:29am Dec 2, 2007 9:29am
Hi,

Okay if you want to have a big return on your investement you don't need to find a very risky strategie but you have to risk a high % of your capitalon each trade.

So if you take the strategie that i did explain on my post: "My differents strategies for EUR/USD " and that you risk on very trade 10% of your capital you will end up 6 month later with a gain of 8300% (from 1000 to 83000)

The equity curve and the excel document is a prevision for 6month based on the month of november witch wasn't such a good month.

But it's very risky.
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  • #6
  • Dec 3, 2007 6:41am Dec 3, 2007 6:41am
Thanks guys. More participation is welcome.
  • #7
  • Dec 3, 2007 7:53am Dec 3, 2007 7:53am
Quoting johnedoe
Big Balls System (posted on 4xusers by Robert Cheng)


According to him, he and his wife have been getting a 90% success rate using what I call "The Big Balls Stategy". I must say, when he showed me his printed account summary, I was quite impressed - finally, someone that has consistent results with the full documentation to back it up.

His strategy involves making a market order, either buying or shorting, and setting a 10-pip limit, with a 200 pip stop. Yes, you heard me, a 200 pip stop!

I don't know about you, but this is contrary to what I've been taught about Money Management. Instead of a 1:2 risk/reward, he's got a 20:1 risk reward ratio.

His technique involves:

1. Scalping (only looking for 10 pips)
2. Trading all 17 currencies (any currency will do)
3. Trading size of 2 lots at a time
4. Trading on a standard accout of $50,000.
5. Sitting in front of the computer 2 hours every evening, between GMT1500 - GMT2200.
6. Entering the trade, turning off the computer, and forgetting about it & going to sleep
7. Waking up the next morning to look at the results
8. Active/Swing trading - 50% of his trades lasted under an hour, while the rest were under a day.
9. Ignorning all news information, including alerts, events, interest rate announcements, terrorism, etc.
10. Pure technical trading
11. Deep, deep, pockets.
12. Balls. Big balls.
This one seems to be a good one, at least it has a stop somewhere, I have seen many similar ones without any stop, where can I get more info John?

When I say a good one I mean with the description asked by tdion.
Regards
  • #8
  • Dec 3, 2007 8:03am Dec 3, 2007 8:03am
Quoting johnedoe
Big Balls System (posted on 4xusers by Robert Cheng)


According to him, he and his wife have been getting a 90% success rate using what I call "The Big Balls Stategy". I must say, when he showed me his printed account summary, I was quite impressed - finally, someone that has consistent results with the full documentation to back it up.

His strategy involves making a market order, either buying or shorting, and setting a 10-pip limit, with a 200 pip stop. Yes, you heard me, a 200 pip stop!

I don't know about you, but this is contrary to what I've been taught about Money Management. Instead of a 1:2 risk/reward, he's got a 20:1 risk reward ratio.

His technique involves:

1. Scalping (only looking for 10 pips)
2. Trading all 17 currencies (any currency will do)
3. Trading size of 2 lots at a time
4. Trading on a standard accout of $50,000.
5. Sitting in front of the computer 2 hours every evening, between GMT1500 - GMT2200.
6. Entering the trade, turning off the computer, and forgetting about it & going to sleep
7. Waking up the next morning to look at the results
8. Active/Swing trading - 50% of his trades lasted under an hour, while the rest were under a day.
9. Ignorning all news information, including alerts, events, interest rate announcements, terrorism, etc.
10. Pure technical trading
11. Deep, deep, pockets.
12. Balls. Big balls.
For 10 pips, you can use the MA crossing trading method. Here's the EA:
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  • #9
  • Dec 3, 2007 9:58am Dec 3, 2007 9:58am
My trading goes for 10 pips, too. I get about 15 to 20 signals a week. I use Spuds Stochastic array on 1 HR charts. It is an array of 19 stoch lines using differnet settings. When the max difference between these settings are under 3 or 4 and it is in extremes (85 or 15), enter a trade to the oppositie direction with a limit of 10 pips. I don't use stop losses and trade 1 mini lot per $1000 in account. If trade goes against me by 100 pips (very very rare) I add another position and average to breakeven. Stop there. I used to continue adding until I came so close to losing it all. Now I just leave it on, it will come back eventually. I am attaching the template. Just put it on an hourly chart and you will see what I mean.

Stoch Diff is an indicator that displays the max difference in the stoch levels
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  • #10
  • Dec 3, 2007 10:13am Dec 3, 2007 10:13am
Quoting bhale
My trading goes for 10 pips, too. I get about 15 to 20 signals a week. I use Spuds Stochastic array on 1 HR charts. It is an array of 19 stoch lines using differnet settings. When the max difference between these settings are under 3 or 4 and it is in extremes (85 or 15), enter a trade to the oppositie direction with a limit of 10 pips. I don't use stop losses and trade 1 mini lot per $1000 in account. If trade goes against me by 100 pips (very very rare) I add another position and average to breakeven. Stop there. I used to continue adding until I came so close to losing it all. Now I just leave it on, it will come back eventually. I am attaching the template. Just put it on an hourly chart and you will see what I mean.

Stoch Diff is an indicator that displays the max difference in the stoch levels
Which pair(s)?
Thanks
  • #11
  • Dec 3, 2007 10:56am Dec 3, 2007 10:56am
Quoting bhale
My trading goes for 10 pips, too. I get about 15 to 20 signals a week. I use Spuds Stochastic array on 1 HR charts. It is an array of 19 stoch lines using differnet settings. When the max difference between these settings are under 3 or 4 and it is in extremes (85 or 15), enter a trade to the oppositie direction with a limit of 10 pips. I don't use stop losses and trade 1 mini lot per $1000 in account. If trade goes against me by 100 pips (very very rare) I add another position and average to breakeven. Stop there. I used to continue adding until I came so close to losing it all. Now I just leave it on, it will come back eventually. I am attaching the template. Just put it on an hourly chart and you will see what I mean.

Stoch Diff is an indicator that displays the max difference in the stoch levels
Interesting method, thanks for sharing!
Liberate me ex inferis
  • #12
  • Dec 3, 2007 11:07am Dec 3, 2007 11:07am
bhale
I`ve downloaded your indicator StochDiff to MT4, open it but nothing comes up, am I doing something wrong?
thanks
  • #13
  • Dec 3, 2007 11:19am Dec 3, 2007 11:19am
Quoting croesesFX
bhale
I`ve downloaded your indicator StochDiff to MT4, open it but nothing comes up, am I doing something wrong?
thanks
The same here. It doesn't come up.
  • #14
  • Dec 3, 2007 11:25am Dec 3, 2007 11:25am
Quoting Alderlug
The same here. It doesn't come up.
Are you using the template provided?
Liberate me ex inferis
  • #15
  • Dec 3, 2007 12:22pm Dec 3, 2007 12:22pm
Quoting Ronald Raygun
The tricky part is determining the high point. If you seriously think you can pull it off, use my modified version of tkimble's daily system, recreated below:



I managed a 4,000% increase in two weeks before the EA I coded crashed and brought me back to $600. I figure if you can watch the markets that closely, then go for it.
thanks for the post,pls ineed the EA of the system you posted
  • #16
  • Dec 3, 2007 12:29pm Dec 3, 2007 12:29pm
Quoting Ronyn76
Are you using the template provided?
Yes, the template MT4 provided.
  • #17
  • Dec 3, 2007 2:26pm Dec 3, 2007 2:26pm
The indicator has to be compiled. Either open it in the editor and click compile, or close MT and restart. It must be under experts/indicators folder.

As for pairs, I just use the major ones,
GBPUSD, EURUSD, USDJPY, USDCHF, AUDUSD, NZDUSD, and EURJPY.

GBPJPY has too much of a spread but will definitely work. I have a trade on right now with EURCHF and it doesn't want to cooperate (3 days now) so I don't think I'll use it anymore. I also found USDCAD not good because it trends so so much. Anyway, the pairs listed will give you 15 to 20 signals a week.

I find the best times to check are morning NYC time, afternoon or right after morning NY session, just before closing of the day (around 0:00 GMT) and just before London session. I am in CST in USA so the best times for me are

7 AM, 12 noon, 5 PM, and 11PM

Also, if I'm getting a signal around swap rollover time (for me 4 PM), then I will put the trade on before if the direction and pair give me positive swap, and wait until after if it doesn't.
  • #18
  • Dec 3, 2007 2:52pm Dec 3, 2007 2:52pm
bhale
thanks for your post
unfortantley I have tried everything, reload, restart, the whole lot, nothing.
do you have another link?
cheers
  • #19
  • Dec 3, 2007 3:01pm Dec 3, 2007 3:01pm
Like he said.... put it in experts/indicators/

Then open MetaEditor and open it.... click the "Compile" button....

Then open MT4, and open the Navigator. Go to "Custom Indicators" and find it..... then drag it onto your chart.

Quoting croesesFX
bhale
thanks for your post
unfortantley I have tried everything, reload, restart, the whole lot, nothing.
do you have another link?
cheers
  • #20
  • Dec 3, 2007 3:18pm Dec 3, 2007 3:18pm
no problems here, template works fine.

If you have installed metatrader to the standard location, make sure you are copying the indicators to c:/program files/metatrader 4/experts/indicators/

Also, make sure the template file is placed at c:/program files/metatrader 4/templates and not the templates folder that is under the experts folder.

Looks interesting.
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