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  • Nov 22, 2007 9:01pm Nov 22, 2007 9:01pm
  •  Nicotina
  • | Joined Oct 2005 | Status: From Portugal | 207 Posts
23/11/2007


Buy: 224.79
Sell: 223.27
 
 
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  • Nov 22, 2007 9:26pm Nov 22, 2007 9:26pm
  •  billbss
  • Joined Apr 2006 | Status: Member | 4,301 Posts
Quoting tjsun80
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Hi Bro billbss,

So after determining the highest and lowest, we set leave it from 0200 to 1800 for the buystop and sellstop, right?
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I'm not sure I understand your question.
After determining the high and low from the 8 hour window (1800 until 0200), we set a buy stop order at the high and a sell stop order at the low.

If one of these gets triggered and then gets stopped out, we set up the same order again.

As soon as we win a trade, we stop or as soon as we get stopped out twice, we stop.

The most we can win in a day is 100 pips.
The most we can lose in a day is 100 pips.
 
 
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  • Nov 22, 2007 9:42pm Nov 22, 2007 9:42pm
  •  johng75
  • | Joined Jun 2006 | Status: Member | 7 Posts
Hi guys,
I have been using this system for the last few weeks but I wouldn't trade on Sunday nights . I was just wondering how this system was working on the first trading day of the week and after holidays.
 
 
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  • Nov 22, 2007 11:14pm Nov 22, 2007 11:14pm
  •  tjsun80
  • | Joined Sep 2007 | Status: Member | 324 Posts
Hi Billbss,

you answered my question.
Thanks to you.

Quoting billbss
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I'm not sure I understand your question.
After determining the high and low from the 8 hour window (1800 until 0200), we set a buy stop order at the high and a sell stop order at the low.

If one of these gets triggered and then gets stopped out, we set up the same order again.

As soon as we win a trade, we stop or as soon as we get stopped out twice, we stop.

The most we can win in a day is 100 pips.
The most we can lose in a day is 100 pips.
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  • Nov 22, 2007 11:31pm Nov 22, 2007 11:31pm
  •  tjsun80
  • | Joined Sep 2007 | Status: Member | 324 Posts
Can i know where we can backtest ?
Using what software?

Quoting LazyPip
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Yep, you're right. For me it shows +670 pips. The difference of +20 was due to the price closing the day before hitting the limit level.

Average win = 89.17
Average loss = 50
Wins = 12 / Losses = 8 (60% win)
1.78 Win/loss ratio

Of course it's a small fraction of the months, but it looks good.
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  • Nov 23, 2007 12:38am Nov 23, 2007 12:38am
  •  jonaslt
  • | Joined Nov 2007 | Status: Member | 243 Posts
Quoting johng75
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Hi guys,
I have been using this system for the last few weeks but I wouldn't trade on Sunday nights . I was just wondering how this system was working on the first trading day of the week and after holidays.
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the volitility is lower I believe so it will throw off our gains/losses a little but the idea still works I think I picked up about 30 pips today and closed it since I saw a lot of resistance, after 10 more pips it switched directions, still have a lot of hours ahead so it might work for nico but I like to play on the safe side a little
good luck on this one Nico
 
 
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  • Nov 23, 2007 12:52am Nov 23, 2007 12:52am
  •  Alvaro
  • | Joined Oct 2007 | Status: Member | 16 Posts
Im with jonas, just to be safe, there is a big support around this point, got 28 pips, a great week, thanks to nicotina to share his experience, i also combine this strategy with part time weekly scalping from Tkimble.Done for the week with good profit.
 
 
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  • Nov 23, 2007 8:28am Nov 23, 2007 8:28am
  •  rapidfx
  • | Joined Nov 2006 | Status: Member | 58 Posts
How long should we hold our PO? let say if we put PO at 0200GMT so at what time we should cancel the order if both are not trigger?
 
 
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  • Nov 23, 2007 10:23am Nov 23, 2007 10:23am
  •  jonaslt
  • | Joined Nov 2007 | Status: Member | 243 Posts
Quoting rapidfx
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How long should we hold our PO? let say if we put PO at 0200GMT so at what time we should cancel the order if both are not trigger?
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next cycle start at 18gmt
 
 
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  • Nov 23, 2007 1:30pm Nov 23, 2007 1:30pm
  •  eagle_eye
  • | Joined Jun 2007 | Status: Member | 142 Posts
Thank you. So just to clarify, if both the buy and sell gets triggered and say the long hits sl but the short is still open then we do not set up another buy stop order. Am I correct?

Thanks.

Quoting billbss
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I'm not sure I understand your question.
After determining the high and low from the 8 hour window (1800 until 0200), we set a buy stop order at the high and a sell stop order at the low.

If one of these gets triggered and then gets stopped out, we set up the same order again.

As soon as we win a trade, we stop or as soon as we get stopped out twice, we stop.

The most we can win in a day is 100 pips.
The most we can lose in a day is 100 pips.
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  • Nov 23, 2007 1:57pm Nov 23, 2007 1:57pm
  •  billbss
  • Joined Apr 2006 | Status: Member | 4,301 Posts
Quoting eagle_eye
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Thank you. So just to clarify, if both the buy and sell gets triggered and say the long hits sl but the short is still open then we do not set up another buy stop order. Am I correct?

Thanks.
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That is correct.
The open short trade will either hit SL or PT. In either case, you're through for the day.
 
 
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  • Nov 23, 2007 6:37pm Nov 23, 2007 6:37pm
  •  jonaslt
  • | Joined Nov 2007 | Status: Member | 243 Posts
Quoting Fx97
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Jonaslt,
Can you also look at if there is any correlation between the min-max spread and the success of the system? it seems like it is doing pretty well when spread is around 150 pips. It would be really good to see that (since you mentioned that system did not work before this year)
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Just to clarify, do you mean in the time 18-2gmt when we take the hi/lo?
I got some data going back to 2000 and trying to get some stats out of it, sort of a pain with excel but in the long run think there's much more I can do with it in terms of analysis
Let me know about that one but that's what I looked at so far but don't think there's any correlation, in a lot of cases the spread on the sample is lower during these months that I see and we're getting better results
 
 
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  • Nov 23, 2007 8:02pm Nov 23, 2007 8:02pm
  •  tdion
  • Joined Nov 2005 | Status: EURUSD Quant FREAK | 3,197 Posts
Interesting. So w/ spreads, you are 105 Risk / 95 Reward.

So the system must win 53% of the time to break even. Will be watching your results from afar and hoping for the best.

Quoting cesarnc
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I changed the strategy slightly and I'm using SL 100 instead of 50. 50 seems too little for this pair.

Like today on the event of being stopped out twice for 50 pips I'm still running the trade. In bad shape, I give you that, but still breathing lol...

I can live with 1:1 r:r as long as the strategy is profitable in most of the days.
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  • Nov 23, 2007 8:14pm Nov 23, 2007 8:14pm
  •  tdion
  • Joined Nov 2005 | Status: EURUSD Quant FREAK | 3,197 Posts
Yep look back a few pages and you'll see a nice 6 year backtest.

It's been hot lately..... ice cold other years.......

Quoting trademan1
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are there full results around with what this system has done
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  • Nov 23, 2007 8:26pm Nov 23, 2007 8:26pm
  •  atisnado
  • | Joined Nov 2007 | Status: Member | 21 Posts
Quoting billbss
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I'm not sure I understand your question.
After determining the high and low from the 8 hour window (1800 until 0200), we set a buy stop order at the high and a sell stop order at the low.

If one of these gets triggered and then gets stopped out, we set up the same order again.

As soon as we win a trade, we stop or as soon as we get stopped out twice, we stop.

The most we can win in a day is 100 pips.
The most we can lose in a day is 100 pips.
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Hi there, I´m new to the forum and been reading about this system. If I understand the minimum and the maximum are determined between 18:00 and 2:00 am GMT, is that correct? Then we entry long if the price goes above the maximum and we go short if the prices goes below the minimum level, ok? Yesterday I had an stop entry (selling) at 223.03 with a profit target of 100 pips and a Stop Loss of 50 pips. When I woke up I saw that my stop loss was triggered by the 9:00 am GMT candle 8hourly chart). I dont know if this spike had to do with some news release or not. The question is, when an important news is about to be release, do you set your profit at 100 pips anyway, or its better if I you set a 40 - 50 pips Profit target?

For the last, the time when lots can be open using this system is after 2:00 am until 18:00 GMT? I think this system can work very well, so I´would try it out. Thanks and sorry about my english.
 
 
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  • Nov 23, 2007 8:50pm Nov 23, 2007 8:50pm
  •  billbss
  • Joined Apr 2006 | Status: Member | 4,301 Posts
Quoting atisnado
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Hi there, I´m new to the forum and been reading about this system. If I understand the minimum and the maximum are determined between 18:00 and 2:00 am GMT, is that correct? Then we entry long if the price goes above the maximum and we go short if the prices goes below the minimum level, ok? Yesterday I had an stop entry (selling) at 223.03 with a profit target of 100 pips and a Stop Loss of 50 pips. When I woke up I saw that my stop loss was triggered by the 9:00 am GMT candle 8hourly chart). I dont know if this spike had to do with some news release or not. The question is, when an important news is about to be release, do you set your profit at 100 pips anyway, or its better if I you set a 40 - 50 pips Profit target?

For the last, the time when lots can be open using this system is after 2:00 am until 18:00 GMT? I think this system can work very well, so I´would try it out. Thanks and sorry about my english.
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Today it was stopped out on a short trade for -50. It made profit on the next short trade for +100.
Total = +50 pips.

You can change the PT before news if you want to, but that's not part of the system.
 
 
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  • Nov 23, 2007 10:19pm Nov 23, 2007 10:19pm
  •  atisnado
  • | Joined Nov 2007 | Status: Member | 21 Posts
Quoting billbss
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Today it was stopped out on a short trade for -50. It made profit on the next short trade for +100.
Total = +50 pips.

You can change the PT before news if you want to, but that's not part of the system.
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thnanks for answering in short time, how do you trade this system, market orders or pending orders. Do you set just once stop entry or in case you are stopped out set another one some pips below or above the fisrt one?
 
 
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  • Nov 24, 2007 2:56am Nov 24, 2007 2:56am
  •  jonaslt
  • | Joined Nov 2007 | Status: Member | 243 Posts
Quoting atisnado
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thnanks for answering in short time, how do you trade this system, market orders or pending orders. Do you set just once stop entry or in case you are stopped out set another one some pips below or above the fisrt one?
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read the thread it's all in there
but...
it's pending orders, it's two entries at once, once one is triggered the other should cancel, if you get stopped out once you reopen with same values, if stopped out twice you quit, if you take profit once you quit
 
 
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  • Nov 24, 2007 3:11am Nov 24, 2007 3:11am
  •  Bobcat2
  • | Joined Aug 2006 | Status: Member | 1,024 Posts
Jonalst,

I don't believe one of the orders being filled should result in cancellation of the other order. In fact, last week, I traded the Nico 12 which is GBP/USD @ Midnight CST. The Buy ended in a stop loss for 20 pips, BUT the Sell was filled for an eventual 40 pip win! So...my understanding is if the market doesn't trigger your position trades, you wait until end of day to close out the pending trade or trades manually.

If I am wrong, please correct me...Billbss?
 
 
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  • Nov 24, 2007 3:44am Nov 24, 2007 3:44am
  •  jonaslt
  • | Joined Nov 2007 | Status: Member | 243 Posts
Quoting Bobcat2
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Jonalst,

I don't believe one of the orders being filled should result in cancellation of the other order. In fact, last week, I traded the Nico 12 which is GBP/USD @ Midnight CST. The Buy ended in a stop loss for 20 pips, BUT the Sell was filled for an eventual 40 pip win! So...my understanding is if the market doesn't trigger your position trades, you wait until end of day to close out the pending trade or trades manually.

If I am wrong, please correct me...Billbss?
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Hmm, think you're right, not sure why I thought otherwise since it would make sense. Personally, since I'm doing G/J now, don't think I would do it myself since for each to TP I would probably need a 350-400 minimum spread between highs and lows that day, may be a little easier with cable, not sure.
I'm still trying to pick up some stats on this and see why it all works and why it didn't used to, but for this one I think you're right you can let both of them ride out and only reset one when it gets stopped out if it does.
 
 
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