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  • Aug 31, 2007 8:50pm Aug 31, 2007 8:50pm
  •  meedo29
  • | Joined Apr 2005 | Status: Member | 72 Posts
Quoting billbss
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OK, we've broken the trendline.

Now show us how you enter using the 15M stochastic.

Thanks
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I usually wait for the 15M Stochastic to reach a trough if I'm long or a peak if I'm short, in this particular trade, the 15M chart Stochastic wasn't much help...

That's why I said it needs a bit of intuition or market sense, but anyways, the major signal in this system is from the breakouts, Stochs are just for fine tuning...
 
 
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  • Aug 31, 2007 11:06pm Aug 31, 2007 11:06pm
  •  audionut
  • | Joined Sep 2006 | Status: Pro Trader | 57 Posts
Meedo, just wanted to say thanks for posting this... your absolutely right, many times the "simple" systems are the best... this seems to be VERY profitable eyeballing various charts/timeframes...

Very interesting!

Thanks again for sharing!

 
 
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  • Aug 31, 2007 11:08pm Aug 31, 2007 11:08pm
  •  audionut
  • | Joined Sep 2006 | Status: Pro Trader | 57 Posts
Meedo, forgot to ask..do you have favorite pairs for this way of trading? I imagine it works with all pairs, but your 40 to 100 pip target suggests the more volatile<sp> pairs?
 
 
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  • Sep 1, 2007 8:46am Sep 1, 2007 8:46am
  •  meedo29
  • | Joined Apr 2005 | Status: Member | 72 Posts
Quoting audionut
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Meedo, forgot to ask..do you have favorite pairs for this way of trading? I imagine it works with all pairs, but your 40 to 100 pip target suggests the more volatile<sp> pairs?
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I usually trade Cable, Euro, and Yen, they are indeed volatile pairs, I didn't try this system on less volatile pairs.
 
 
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  • Sep 7, 2007 1:33pm Sep 7, 2007 1:33pm
  •  meedo29
  • | Joined Apr 2005 | Status: Member | 72 Posts
A note which should be considered when using this system, when trading a very volatile pair, or certain volatile time in market, you can use 15M charts for short term and quick profits out of the market.
 
 
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  • Sep 7, 2007 2:40pm Sep 7, 2007 2:40pm
  •  bluefish
  • | Joined Feb 2006 | Status: One Life, One Chance. | 131 Posts
Why the hard way?

Because the market is complex and complicated. There are too many variables to be considered. If your system works and is easy to implement, than it is not the system, which makes it work, but You!!!

Congratulations and Good Luck

Bluefish
 
 
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  • Sep 7, 2007 2:55pm Sep 7, 2007 2:55pm
  •  PrivateFX
  • | Joined Jul 2007 | Status: Initiate, don't deviate | 36 Posts
I believe in K.I.S.S . The market is indeed complex but if you make a system so complicated with tons of rules, you then start to filter out not just the bad trades but a lot of the potentially good ones too. I K.I.S.S and apply strict money and risk management. I never had to use an indicator again and would never go back. I've used many different indicators and combos in the past but now I prefer to trade naked. Different things work for different people but if you're profitable and comfortable with a strategy, that's all that matters.
 
 
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  • Sep 7, 2007 7:47pm Sep 7, 2007 7:47pm
  •  meedo29
  • | Joined Apr 2005 | Status: Member | 72 Posts
Quoting bluefish
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Why the hard way?

Because the market is complex and complicated. There are too many variables to be considered. If your system works and is easy to implement, than it is not the system, which makes it work, but You!!!

Congratulations and Good Luck

Bluefish
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Maybe you're right, I had this thought a long period ago, after I was trading based on my system, a friend of mine asked me to teach him technical analysis coz he wants to trade forex, I didn't teach him technical analysis instead I trained him to use my simple system...

Now, he is out of the market, but it was money management that broke him...

What I want to say is, whatever your system was, if it's > 70% profitable, you can make it through FX...

A better system only make it easier for you on the other aspects...
 
 
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  • Sep 8, 2007 11:52am Sep 8, 2007 11:52am
  •  bluefish
  • | Joined Feb 2006 | Status: One Life, One Chance. | 131 Posts
Quoting PrivateFX
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The market is indeed complex but if you make a system so complicated with tons of rules, you then start to filter out not just the bad trades but a lot of the potentially good ones too.
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This is true, but I never said, that one should use tons of rules or tons of indicators. I just wanted to point out that every little element of your system (including MM) should be adjusted to your strategy so that you can exploit the edge as much as possible. And then it comes down to "being smart" when trading.
I personally use only few indicators, but each of them is watching certain part of market action (relative position, volatility, momentum) and each of them is based on far more advanced math than Stoch or MACD. But that is just me.
If your system is working for you, than all the better!
No offence meant

Bluefish
 
 
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  • Sep 9, 2007 5:27am Sep 9, 2007 5:27am
  •  PrivateFX
  • | Joined Jul 2007 | Status: Initiate, don't deviate | 36 Posts
Quoting bluefish
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This is true, but I never said, that one should use tons of rules or tons of indicators. I just wanted to point out that every little element of your system (including MM) should be adjusted to your strategy so that you can exploit the edge as much as possible. And then it comes down to "being smart" when trading.
I personally use only few indicators, but each of them is watching certain part of market action (relative position, volatility, momentum) and each of them is based on far more advanced math than Stoch or MACD. But that is just me.
If your system is working for you, than all the better!
No offence meant

Bluefish
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no offense taken at all my friend. My post wasn't geared directly towards you or anything. I was just expressing my point and opinion.
 
 
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  • Sep 9, 2007 7:33am Sep 9, 2007 7:33am
  •  SeekingLight
  • Joined Jul 2006 | Status: Charts + PA &gt; * | 3,251 Posts
Quoting meedo29
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2. Draw a trendline on the RSI (on all charts, usually considering 1H the most)

(lower slope RSI trendline results in higher accuracy rates)

3. When RSI breaks the trendline with at least one completed bar, the direction is confirmed, the price will follow the RSI direction shortly or after some bars (usually 5-10)
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Hi!

So basically you enter on RSI divergence to anticipate a trendline break for price based on RSI ahead of time?

Sounds interesting. Have you looked into using RSI TL retests for a finer entry as opposed to adding another indicator like stochs?

I just use "normal" trendlines + price setups, but I might look into divergence again sometime if it proves worth it for a heads up..might do that if you say it works okay for you..

But why have stochs and BBs in the first place?

And one other thing: it appears this is most useful if the RSI TL break comes BEFORE the actual price breakdown. Do you still trade it if price is also already breaking down and then RSI, i.e. "late"?
Because to me it would seem smartest to ONLY trade it if the RSI breakdown comes BEFORE price starts to fall as well as you can minimize stops for entry there..

Also it appears one can use a descending TL on RSI highs on a descent to spot divergence indicating a coming bounce as well for exits...hmm might monitor this more...

Ah, here's some nice exceptions. Appears that as soon as things start to trend more strongly it's all out the window as trendline drawing becomes fuzzy and even though RSI dips price stays sideways...ach well

TC,

SL
Trust price. Know yourself.
 
 
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  • Sep 9, 2007 8:22am Sep 9, 2007 8:22am
  •  meedo29
  • | Joined Apr 2005 | Status: Member | 72 Posts
Quoting SeekingLight
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Hi!

So basically you enter on RSI divergence to anticipate a trendline break for price based on RSI ahead of time?

Sounds interesting. Have you looked into using RSI TL retests for a finer entry as opposed to adding another indicator like stochs?

I just use "normal" trendlines + price setups, but I might look into divergence again sometime if it proves worth it for a heads up..might do that if you say it works okay for you..

But why have stochs and BBs in the first place?

And one other thing: it appears this is most useful if the RSI TL break comes BEFORE the actual price breakdown. Do you still trade it if price is also already breaking down and then RSI, i.e. "late"?
Because to me it would seem smartest to ONLY trade it if the RSI breakdown comes BEFORE price starts to fall as well as you can minimize stops for entry there..

Also it appears one can use a descending TL on RSI highs on a descent to spot divergence indicating a coming bounce as well for exits...hmm might monitor this more...

Ah, here's some nice exceptions. Appears that as soon as things start to trend more strongly it's all out the window as trendline drawing becomes fuzzy and even though RSI dips price stays sideways...ach well

TC,

SL
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Well, what I know about divergences is that's when the indicator moves in a direction different from that of the price, either up, down or sideways.

What I use is not a divergence based system...

Some people say that RSI is a leading indicator, some reject the presence of leading indicators, I personally believe there are no leading indicators...

Anyway, I use this system not to predict market direction, market direction can be seen on price chart or any other indicator, I use the system to be sure whether this market move is something valuable or just a false breakout, sometimes it's leading the price, sometimes not, but most of the time it indicates a new trend that I can follow for a reasonable period of time, (even if I entered some pips later, but I'd be relaxed and sure (80~85% sure ))...

About the trendline retests I haven't found a useful formula or rule to apply, I wish I could have more time with trading, so I could have solved these issues... If you can help, you're more than welcome...


Later on, I'll try to put some live charts for a trade or two, to explain it better...
 
 
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  • May 10, 2009 6:07am May 10, 2009 6:07am
  •  yuan83
  • | Joined May 2009 | Status: Member | 586 Posts
hi will like to ask, so u use 14,3,3 exp for ur stochastic? also u say draw trendline for RSI. So draw for each of the different time frames ah?

anyway so do you trade eur usd? since it's a low spread pair
 
 
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  • May 10, 2009 6:32am May 10, 2009 6:32am
  •  yuan83
  • | Joined May 2009 | Status: Member | 586 Posts
another question, say the RSI breakout of trendline, correct me if I am wrong, we wait till candle close before entering at the next candle. Will there be a chance that it reverses back? if so, how can we "predict" in advance and maybe close the trade?

and how we use M15 to fine tune? is it both M15 and H1 cross then is a confirm signal to enter? thanks
 
 
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  • May 10, 2009 10:38am May 10, 2009 10:38am
  •  wiztrader
  • | Joined Oct 2008 | Status: At your service! | 149 Posts
After 2 years I don't think this guy will reply.
 
 
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  • May 10, 2009 10:48am May 10, 2009 10:48am
  •  yuan83
  • | Joined May 2009 | Status: Member | 586 Posts
lol ok i just realised that this thread was 2 years old. then y isit still on e 1st page?
 
 
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  • Dec 13, 2009 2:50am Dec 13, 2009 2:50am
  •  Bee3a
  • | Joined Dec 2009 | Status: Forever Learning | 23 Posts
He has been out of trading for a while .. both me and him actually, because of our senior university year and graduation projects..
I`ll give him a call and see if he forgot about this thread..
 
 
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  • Dec 13, 2009 2:58am Dec 13, 2009 2:58am
  •  Bee3a
  • | Joined Dec 2009 | Status: Forever Learning | 23 Posts
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after I was trading based on my system, a friend of mine asked me to teach him technical analysis coz he wants to trade forex, I didn't teach him technical analysis instead I trained him to use my simple system...

Now, he is out of the market, but it was money management that broke him...
...
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Oh I just read that.. I asked you to teach me forex but I guess I`m not the one who went bankrupt that you are referring too..
 
 
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  • Last Post: Dec 13, 2009 1:16pm Dec 13, 2009 1:16pm
  •  swingtrader
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Quoting Bee3a
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Oh I just read that.. I asked you to teach me forex but I guess I`m not the one who went bankrupt that you are referring too..
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this thread shud be named

KISS to death
 
 
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