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  • #81
  • May 19, 2026 8:00am May 19, 2026 8:00am
Quoting 1hr
Military will never tell you. Trillions dollar Intelligence agencies haven't helped any of us understand anything, when they should be at the forefront of knowledge and national defense. True colors always being shown. Follow the Bill Nye Science!
Military intelligence are two words combined that can't make sense. - Dave Mustaine
  • #82
  • May 19, 2026 8:07am May 19, 2026 8:07am
Quoting FlyingTurtle
{quote} I have you figured out now: you're an old codger void of neural plasticity and consequently incapable of learning. Once again a simple theory explains everything. {quote} Never heard of him. Is that your kin folk? {quote} Carter you have a point but it's before Reagan when the trend began. The rest are LMAO at you. Clinton and Obama were nice steady market gains. Flash crash was nothing. Biden 2022 bear was steady stepping down, not a crash. {quote} Only in your concrete block you call a brain. {quote} Yeah and only 1 pandemic per 100 years....

Owned you competely
So what about Vinny the Pooh?

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You cannot prove the virus did not come from a lab
You can't prove it did. You can't prove it's not 5g

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Someone grabs a virus from a lab then flies to 3 continents is not cause and effect?
It's your FANTASY, you imbecile. Prove there was someone, prove there was a virus, prove their actions. And you tell me about logic? Clown
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  • #83
  • May 19, 2026 8:08am May 19, 2026 8:08am
Quoting W0lfram
{quote} Logic as a formal discipline (syllogisms, fallacy taxonomy, propositional reasoning) was historically embedded in certain Western academic traditions... classical education, Anglo-American analytic philosophy, law school training. It was curricularized. In many other systems, philosophy meant something different: ethics, metaphysics, religious thought, dialectical traditions that prize rhetorical persuasion over formal validity. The guy presents his fantasies as facts, but you can call me a racist. Which I am not but it is most likely you...
You're not a racist, just an old codger reminiscing when the world was whiter. I've never clicked on anyone's profile here because it's completely irrelevant. Only an old codger would do that. All that matters is what is contained in the post; who they are means nothing. Except in your case it's good for people to be warned that old dogs can't learn new tricks. Those who are blind think people who can see are hallucinating.
  • #84
  • May 19, 2026 8:12am May 19, 2026 8:12am
Quoting W0lfram
{quote} Do you agree or disagree, Turtle?
Yes I agree a bot programmed to trade according to TA wouldn't do much better than random trading, but there are times when I think lots of traders react to the same TA event, making the event meaningful. I also think there are snares constructed by bots to lure traders in. With those two exceptions in mind, I otherwise agree with you.
  • #85
  • May 19, 2026 8:20am May 19, 2026 8:20am
Quoting W0lfram
{quote} Outbreak of what? October-May is a flu season. According to your fantasies it was released in summer 2019
It was either released or escaped, so it's a distinction without a difference. One way or another it started somehow.

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-> you link random shit in nursing home with this. Given that humans had no antivirals and its R0, why was there no increase in respiratory/infectious diseases cases compared to previous years?

I don't understand what you're asking. Do you mean in June when covid started? They meddled with stats so much that they claimed the flu disappeared for a year. I actually caught flu March 2021 and never caught covid (that I know of). Funny that. As far as I'm concerned, the case stats are totally made up and worthless as data.

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Hint for you, clown: Go search 全国法定传染病疫情 2017 1 - 2020 2, look for Class C diseases. Please, come back with a plotted time-series Outbreak started in CN in Nov-Dec, in the US in late Jan (obviously it was circulating before, but why didn't it develop and cause concern like it did in CN, but rather rather, supposedly landed in some random nursing home and that's it lol). Let me guess: the simplest explanation is "Someone with security clearance simply grabbed a virus known to be infectious...

You want to see cases rising concurrently in 3 locations? I will look into it when I get some time.
  • #86
  • May 19, 2026 9:55am May 19, 2026 9:55am
Quoting W0lfram
{quote} Owned you competely
You're so many laps behind that you think you're winning.

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So what about Vinny the Pooh?

I clicked the like button. Not worth a separate reply I thought.

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You can't prove it did.

Yes I know that, but the odds favor my theory.

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You can't prove it's not 5g

I can't prove it's not the sun or the moon either.
  • #87
  • Edited 10:24am May 19, 2026 10:10am | Edited 10:24am
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It was either released or escaped, so it's a distinction without a difference.
No, it's false dichotomy. Yes, it started naturally just like many times before.

Quoting FlyingTurtle
{quote}You're so many laps behind that you think you're winning.
I overtook you by 4 laps and now catching up on the 5th, that's why you think I'm behind you.

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Yes I know that, but the odds favor my theory.
seriously, guy just claims that his shitty theory explains everything, but he can't prove anything. You just making statements
You're a boring demagogue, but it's even easier this way. I'll just make counter-statements
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Yes I know that, but the odds favor my theory.
No they don't

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I can't prove it's not the sun or the moon either.
What makes them equal theories. Why should someone choose yours if it could be sun, moon or 5G?
I think Donnie is smarter that you at this point

Your position: current scientific evidence is not an evidence, you deny them. But your theory explains everything without having evidence.
How can I not laugh at you? You're obviously an evolutionary dead end
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  • #88
  • May 19, 2026 2:49pm May 19, 2026 2:49pm
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  • #89
  • May 21, 2026 10:09am May 21, 2026 10:09am
Quoting W0lfram
{quote} No, it's false dichotomy. Yes, it started naturally just like many times before.
It was either released or escaped. If the dichotomy is false then state a 3rd possibility. The options are a lab (released) or the wild (escaped). How it was introduced to humans is a distinction without a difference.

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I overtook you by 4 laps and now catching up on the 5th, that's why you think I'm behind you.

I already won and sipping a beer watching your geriatric ass push your walker through the grass trying to find the track.

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seriously, guy just claims that his shitty theory explains everything, but he can't prove anything.

Codger doesn't understand that theories don't prove anything.

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You're a boring demagogue,

Which is why you're so obsessed with me.

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No they don't

Yes. For a once-in-a-century pandemic to coincide in the same month as a once-in-76-year-lab-leak requires 91,200 years to expect the coincidence to happen with 63% odds. Stated another way, if we waited 91,200 years, 100 times, then 63% of those times there would be a coincidence and 37% there would not.

A lab experiencing a containment issue in the same month that a pandemic started is effectively impossible if the events are unrelated and purely by chance.

It's more likely you are 91,200 years old! Another simple theory that explains everything!

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What makes them equal theories. Why should someone choose yours if it could be sun, moon or 5G?

To have a theory we need observed correlation and a mechanism to explain the correlation. The sun and moon and 5G may correlate, but no mechanism, so not a viable theory.

How can you claim to like science if you haven't understood it? You've demonstrated an abundance of nescience in what constitutes a theory just in one post.

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I think Donnie is smarter that you at this point

Since you're as dumb as the bumpkins supporting him, I can see that.

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Your position: current scientific evidence is not an evidence, you deny them. But your theory explains everything without having evidence. How can I not laugh at you? You're obviously an evolutionary dead end

My evidence is Ft Detrick was shuttered June 2019 and 50 miles away, also in June 2019, a retirement community suffers a mysterious outbreak of pneumonia. That is spatiotemporal evidence supporting a theory that explains everything. If you can't see it, then perhaps the problem is guzzling too much Donnie bathwater?

Your revered "scientists" proving the virus matches those found in the wild doesn't prove the wild viruses are in fact wild, nor does it prove it did not come from a lab because labs often have wild viruses. To date, no one has found an intermediate host explaining the jump from bats to humans, which is a glaring hole in your theory. But your religion is very strong, and you're able to bridge such gaps with unwavering faith!

Former CDC director Robert Redfield said the most likely cause was a laboratory escape, which "doesn't imply any intentionality", and that as a virologist, he did not believe it made "biological sense" for the virus to be so "efficient in human to human transmission" from the early outbreak. The fact that scientists have not been successful in finding an intermediate host that picked up the virus from bats and passed it to humans is seen as evidence that supports a lab leak. https://edition.cnn.com/videos/healt...newday-vpx.cnn

A 2024 survey of 168 epidemiologists and virologists, found on average they viewed zoonosis as 77% likely and a lab leak as 21% likely. Although the survey was anonymous, the team worried researchers there might feel uncomfortable expressing their opinions, or that doing so might put them in legal or physical danger. https://www.science.org/content/arti...urvey-suggests

So, accounting for fear of retribution, we could say as many as 25% of experts favored the lab leak theory as late as 2024, which makes it far from ridiculous. The debate is ongoing and we'll likely never have "proof" one way or the other. Get some cream for your butthurt.
  • #90
  • Edited 12:58pm May 21, 2026 12:17pm | Edited 12:58pm
Quoting FlyingTurtle
{quote} Former CDC director Robert Redfield said the most likely cause was a laboratory escape, which "doesn't imply any intentionality", and that as a virologist, he did not believe it made "biological sense" for the virus to be so "efficient in human to human transmission" from the early outbreak..
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A 2024 survey of 168 epidemiologists and virologists, found on average they viewed zoonosis as 77% likely and a lab leak as 21% likely. [..]
So, accounting for fear of retribution, we could say as many as 25% of experts favored the lab leak theory as late as 2024, which makes it far from ridiculous.
Completely irrelevant links for your position lol don't replace your theory that the virus was released from a specific lab for a specific purpose. Dirty demagogue.
Arguments in scientific community are completely normal. But.. do any of them support your theory? Or will you also get angry at them because they're blind and don;t understand the charms of your all-explaining theory?

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That is spatiotemporal evidence supporting a theory that explains everything.
You haven;t provided any evidence of cause and effect. So far explanations is as good as Moon, Sun or 5G is responsible.
Honestly, even a leak from Wuhan CDC, that is <1 km away from the wet market, is more plausible
go to site and copy address https://www.whcdc.org/
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see, strong spatial evidence + known epicenter of outbreak

I'll get back to you later

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Hint for you, clown:
Go search 全国法定传染病疫情 2017 1 - 2020 2, look for Class C diseases. Please, come back with a plotted time-series

Outbreak started in CN in Nov-Dec, in the US in late Jan (obviously it was circulating before, but why didn't it develop and cause concern like it did in CN, but rather rather, supposedly landed in some random nursing home and that's it lol).
Let me guess: the simplest explanation is "Someone with security clearance simply grabbed a virus known to be infectious...
Meanwhile do your homework, clown
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  • #91
  • May 21, 2026 1:03pm May 21, 2026 1:03pm
Quoting W0lfram
Completely irrelevant links for your position lol don't replace your theory that the virus was released from a specific lab for a specific purpose.
Links demonstrate lab-leak is not a ridiculous theory. It flew over your head, I know.

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Arguments in scientific community are completely normal. But.. do any of them support your theory?

Of course, but most implicate Chinese labs. Until you find an intermediate host, you have no theory. No cause and effect. Nothing but a donut hole filled with hopes and dreams.

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You haven;t provided any evidence of cause and effect.

Cause: Someone absconds with a virus from a lab.
Effect: pandemic.

Do I have to explain 2+2 too?

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I'll get back to you later I will reflexively dismiss your points without consideration later.

Yes, I know.
  • #92
  • May 21, 2026 1:11pm May 21, 2026 1:11pm
Quoting FlyingTurtle
{quote} Links demonstrate lab-leak is not a ridiculous theory. It flew over your head, I know. {quote} Of course, but most implicate Chinese labs. Until you find an intermediate host, you have no theory. No cause and effect. Nothing but a donut hole filled with hopes and dreams. {quote} Cause: Someone absconds with a virus from a lab. Effect: pandemic. Do I have to explain 2+2 too? {quote} Yes, I know.
Links doesn't say anything about your clown theory.
Even wuhan lab leak explains things better.
But you additionally need to prove the political goal in all of it

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Cause: Someone absconds with a virus from a lab.
Effect: pandemic
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They launched 5g. Effect: pandemic.
Your mom dropped you head down. Effect: you're an oligophren.┐⁠(⁠ ⁠∵⁠ ⁠)⁠┌
Well, the second is true.
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  • #93
  • May 21, 2026 1:36pm May 21, 2026 1:36pm
Quoting FlyingTurtle
{quote} I will reflexively dismiss your points without consideration later.
I know you will.

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Outbreak started in CN in Nov-Dec, in the US in late Jan (obviously it was circulating before, but why didn't it develop and cause concern like it did in CN, but rather rather, supposedly landed in some random nursing home and that's it lol).
Let me guess: the simplest explanation is "Someone with security clearance simply grabbed a virus known to be infectious to humans" dropped it in CN after he went to visit his grandma in the nursing home with a test tube in his pocket?
How did this get into a random nursing home where there was an outbreak of pneumonia of unknown cause without rising major concern like it did in China? What is the base rate of similar cases in that county alone in the previous and subsequent years?
You should have chosen a better conspiracy theory lol
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  • #94
  • May 21, 2026 2:00pm May 21, 2026 2:00pm
Back already?

Quoting W0lfram
{quote} Links doesn't say anything about your clown theory.
Giant font "Former CDC director believes virus came from lab". Put your glasses on, codger.

"A 2024 survey of 168 epidemiologists and virologists, found on average they viewed zoonosis as 77% likely and a lab leak as 21% likely."

77% clowns. 21% scientists.

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Even wuhan lab leak explains things better.

If you have a pollical bias.

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But you additionally need to prove the political goal in all of it

Can't prove intent. Logic 101 again. Standards of proof in court are proof beyond a reasonable doubt and preponderance of evidence. https://defensewiki.ibj.org/index.ph...dards_of_Proof

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They launched 5g. Effect: pandemic.

Explain the mechanism for that cause and effect. How does 5g cause a pandemic?

Cause: Someone absconds with virus and the effect is a pandemic. A mechanism is simply spraying the virus in the air in any enclosed space with other people. Another mechanism is infecting themselves and dispersing naturally.

5g has no mechanism to cause a pandemic.
  • #95
  • May 21, 2026 2:06pm May 21, 2026 2:06pm
Quoting W0lfram
How did this get into a random nursing home where there was an outbreak of pneumonia of unknown cause without rising major concern like it did in China?
Good question.

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What is the base rate of similar cases in that county alone in the previous and subsequent years?

I have no idea, but if it were a normal occurrence then ABC news wouldn't have reported it as odd.

Funny that they never identified the pathogen. Probably because that would interfere with the narrative of implicating China.
  • #96
  • Edited May 22, 2026 6:01am May 21, 2026 2:42pm | Edited May 22, 2026 6:01am
Quoting FlyingTurtle
{quote} Good question. {quote} I have no idea, but if it were a normal occurrence then ABC news wouldn't have reported it as odd. Funny that they never identified the pathogen. Probably because that would interfere with the narrative of implicating China.
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Codger doesn't understand that theories don't prove anything.
Of course, evolution/gravitation/relativity/quantum theories don't "prove" anything if you put it that way. They explain reality better than random horse shit from crackpot's head

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Giant font "Former CDC director believes virus came from lab". Put your glasses on, codger.

"A 2024 survey of 168 epidemiologists and virologists, found on average they viewed zoonosis as 77% likely and a lab leak as 21% likely."

77% clowns. 21% scientists.
Oh wow! Redfield believes and it's in CAPS? Does he believes the same as you?
He believes(-d) it's from China

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77% clowns. 21% scientists
Respondents assigned a 77% probability to a zoonosis. Why do you call them clowns? Is this an oligophrenic sarcasm or 'zoonosis' is unknown term for you?
The 21% expert figure is for accidental escape, it is not 21% support for "engineered bioweapon timed to beat Trump"

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Can't prove intent.
But why? This is the foundation of your theory. You're claiming that events, the cause-and-effect relationship between which you cannot prove, occurred for a specific purpose.

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Explain the mechanism for that cause and effect. How does 5g cause a pandemic?
You're an idiot. This is to illustrate that temporal proximity doesn't indicate anything by itself. As well as spatial. Logic 101.

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If you have a pollical bias.
One lab or whatever there is is 500 m away from the known epicenter. On your side it's a random nursing home 50 miles away.
You have a political bias in choosing conspiracy theories lol
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But look at what you started with three pages ago:
"perfectly evolved to attack humans"
"having the hallmarks of lab creation"
"released... to disrupt the election"
"a perfect design for a bioweapon that selects for political enemies while sparing friends"
"released on 3 continents simultaneously"

As I said already, you made some progress.
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  • #97
  • Edited May 22, 2026 5:56am May 21, 2026 6:56pm | Edited May 22, 2026 5:56am
Quoting FlyingTurtle
{quote}Yes. For a once-in-a-century pandemic to coincide in the same month as a once-in-76-year-lab-leak requires 91,200 years to expect the coincidence to happen with 63% odds. Stated another way, if we waited 91,200 years, 100 times, then 63% of those times there would be a coincidence and 37% there would not.

A lab experiencing a containment issue in the same month that a pandemic started is effectively impossible if the events are unrelated and purely by chance.

It's more likely you are 91,200 years old! Another simple theory that explains...
You're a self-confident imbecilic homunculus - exactly the type I like to put in their place.
You obviously have no competence in anything discussed. Critical thinking - not detected, math sucks as well

a.
You multiplied two probabilities: P(pandemic) * P(lab_incident) (holds if 2 events are independent) trying to disprove my point.
You picked 1-per-century and 1-per-76-years, both fabricated and both inflated toward rarity. Serious fuck up with base rates again.
Notable, publicly-reported BSL-3/4 safety closures run at several per year globally and that's before counting the hundreds of reportable select-agent incidents in US labs alone each year. Ft. Detrick's Aug 2019 closure was one of many that year - you might have to look for another lab for your fantasy.

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Pandemic rate is cherry-picked.
Actual novel respiratory threats with epidemic/pandemic potential:
SARS-1 (2002)
H1N1 (2009),
MERS (2012)
SARS-2 (2019).
4 in 17 years. Roughly one every 4–5 years
(please, commit one more Texas sharpshooter fallacy)

c.
Ft. Detrick, Aug 2019. Wuhan, Nov/Dec 2019. 3-4 month gap on opposite sides of the planet.
Initial cases heavily linked to the seafood market, not nursing house in the middle of nowhere.

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You didn't pre-register "Ft. Detrick will have an incident in the pandemic month" and then check. You observed the pandemic, scanned the entire world for anything that looked suspicious, and found Ft. Detrick afterward.
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So you've used the mathematics of random coincidence to argue that random coincidence is impossible and sucked at it.
A high base rate of leaks does NOT raise the probability this event was a leak - i.e. 'lab incident happened near a pandemic' is not the same as 'this pandemic came from a lab'. But consider shifting your bias to Wuhan lab; It's literally across the road from the known epicenter.
And don't forget about the goal - disrupt elections in dumbfuckistan. Why not in 2015-16 as a preventive measure?

Very conservative rates of events globally:
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categories = {
    "BSL-3/4 lab safety closure":      3,   # per year, globally, notable
    "GoF grant controversy":           2,
    "wet-market / live-animal closure":50,  # extremely common
    "unexplained resp. outbreak":      30,  # nursing homes etc (US alone)
    "biosecurity drill/exercise":      10,
    "intel 'warning' memo surfacing":  4,
    "military/mass event in a city":   500,
}
coincidence window: +/- 1 month
P(no suspicious coincidence at all): 4.39e-44
P(at least one pointable 'smoking gun'): 1
--> A motivated observer finds SOMETHING suspicious with probability 100%.

Name 2 common things between Trump's diaper contents and your brain neural tube.
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Explains everything (c)
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  • #98
  • May 22, 2026 4:32am May 22, 2026 4:32am
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  • #99
  • May 22, 2026 4:34am May 22, 2026 4:34am
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  • #100
  • Last Post: May 27, 2026 8:00pm May 27, 2026 8:00pm
Quoting W0lfram
{quote} You're a self-confident imbecilic homunculus - exactly the type I like to put in their place. You obviously have no competence in anything discussed. Critical thinking - not detected, math sucks as well
lol well said. Sadly the clowns on FF are everywhere. Take this fool ZAPPA. Guy whines daily of market manipulation, claims all sort of nonsense, 45 posts a day on same, when i tell him he's acting like a child he runs off at the face 10 posts then blocks me, because that's how adults with facts on their side always act... lol.

Whines because I'm not currently in a trade that he is, Whines I claim trading since 1995 when i used that number because the system won't go back any further... whines that I am faceless poser that is so new i just found FF in the last two week (Been here for a long long time, never signed up, reason now more obvious than ever ! LOL) , most of these clown starting with ZAPPA are truly children.

He wanted advice on how to better his trades, I read all of his nonsense, suggest he look at position sizing as he's never said a word about it, 15 posts later he still can't figure out why it matters... But of course I'm the sketchy guy with no clue, :-)

Claims he has a system, then shows DAILY he's a complete discretionary MORON.

Then claims quants are low level individuals...

He's STILL RUNNING HIS FOOL MOUTH...

https://www.forexfactory.com/zappa

  1. May 27, 6:37pm (2 hr 20 min ago)

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Dont be like Quan, guys. Low level individual

 

  1. May 27, 6:40pm (2 hr 17 min ago)

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Yes, nothing manipulative about markets moving to important stop levels during the time of day with least amount of liquidity

 

  1. May 27, 6:46pm (2 hr 11 min ago)

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Comes in here, talks shit, then hightails out of here as fast as he arrived.

Im open to criticism, but at least state your case why I'm wrong or stupid.

 

  1. May 27, 6:52pm (2 hr 5 min ago)

  1. https://assets.faireconomy.media/nfs...tar55086_5.gif Zappa
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Sorry, on a bit of a rant here, but always be skeptical of anyone on here:
1)saying they've been trading for long time but just signed up yesterday
2)with their email in profile
3)with only 1 subscription to another member (who is a commercial member)
4)boasts of great skills and is arrogant (market fixes that and every great trader I've ever read about was humble....the market will humble us all)


Probably more im missing but those are big red flags

Well now I just put him on ignore so now he WON'T be able to respond. He had his chance and chose to run away.

Dont want to do that, but some people just earn it

Just to be clear, traders for large banks and institutions DO MANIPULATE PRICES. This is not a theory of mine. Large banks have been fined for this. There was a big story about it probably about 10 or 15 years ago. Was a big fine involving traders from major banks

To think this doesnt occur is to be ignorant, and to be smug about it is just too much for me to take

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