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  • #1,781
  • Mar 22, 2026 7:07pm Mar 22, 2026 7:07pm
20th darwin calibration just started......

maximum 14,000 margin required per single trade allowed......

per single trade profit target...... 10,000.....

per symbol close all at profit target...... 50,000.....

account estimate by calibration ending 4/10/2026, 15 days...... 10-20 trades...... 50-100k......

estimated return, 5-10%....... estimated max drawdown 1-4%......

average trade length likely 10 days......h
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  • #1,782
  • Edited 11:02am Mar 23, 2026 10:49am | Edited 11:02am
glad they gave us a heads up.....

just sayin...... not complainin.....h
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  • #1,783
  • Mar 23, 2026 1:05pm Mar 23, 2026 1:05pm
Quoting hayseed
this weekend my 17th darwin should be created.......
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it's difficult to trade multiple darwins in a manual manner, at least for me....... took 2 large losses here due to clicking buy instead of sell...... did not notice my error until hours later...... in every other account i sold.....

that type error is something i will correct.......

i'm now completely convinced it is possible to come out of calibration and in less than 2 days be both maxed out in boosters and have a 30k, or more, silver allocation.....

my latest darwin was created this morning..... maxed out the account in boosters few hours later .... it has a 81+ rating now...... should qualify for 30k next tuesday.......

you need to come out of calibration with 8% return....... this is best done using pipmasters suggestion of a high risk multiplier......

if you can achieve 8% with low drawdown, you are almost guaranteed the 30k.......

it is not unreasonable to make 300$ per month on that 30k silver allotment......

to whom it may concern......h
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  • #1,784
  • Mar 23, 2026 3:32pm Mar 23, 2026 3:32pm
Quoting hayseed
glad they gave us a heads up
Inflation everywhere you look.

Quoting hayseed
it's difficult to trade multiple darwins in a manual manner
A trade copier might be able to help with that.

Quoting hayseed
i'm now completely convinced it is possible to come out of calibration and in less than 2 days be both maxed out in boosters and have a 30k, or more, silver allocation..... my latest darwin was created this morning..... maxed out the account in boosters few hours later .... it has a 81+ rating now...... should qualify for 30k next tuesday....... you need to come out of calibration with 8% return.
But that has always been possible? You can, of course, buy the maximum number of boosters as soon as your Darwin is created.

Reaching the minimum allocation of 30k in DarwinIA Silver depends on the rating of 75. I don't know how you arrived at 8%, but with my own Darwin account, I would have needed far less than that (4-5%).

Anyway, I think that doesn't really matter, since you have little influence anyway. For one thing, you can't guarantee your own trading performance, and certainly not when it will lead to a specific minimum result in your Darwin account.
  • #1,785
  • Mar 23, 2026 4:47pm Mar 23, 2026 4:47pm
Quoting Noisy
{quote} Inflation everywhere you look. {quote} A trade copier might be able to help with that. {quote} But that has always been possible? .
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no it has not always been possible..... for the past couple months we have thought it might be possible..... today was the first day i could prove it.....

yes, 75 is required to receive the allocation......

but lets say it's a new account and your calibration ended next next weekend..... so your darwin was created on monday 30th ..... silver allocations end the following day...... how much % would you have to make during calibration to be awarded 30k the very next day.....


Anyway, I think that doesn't really matter, since you have little influence anyway. For one thing, you can't guarantee your own trading performance, and certainly not when it will lead to a specific minimum result in your Darwin account.

are you sure about that.....h
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  • #1,786
  • Mar 23, 2026 5:36pm Mar 23, 2026 5:36pm
Quoting hayseed
{quote} //------ no it has not always been possible..... for the past couple months we have thought it might be possible..... today was the first day i could prove it..... yes, 75 is required to receive the allocation...... but lets say it's a new account and your calibration ended next next weekend..... so your darwin was created on monday 30th ..... silver allocations end the following day...... how much % would you have to make during calibration to be awarded 30k the very next day..... Anyway, I think that doesn't really matter, since you have...
Then I must have misunderstood something. I thought it had never been any different. Since the introduction of boosters, I've assumed they can be purchased immediately after the calibration phase. So if you wanted to, you could buy 500k AuM (max.) in instant boosters on day one after your DARWIN is created.

Yes, I was aware that the 30k min. Silver allocation is not necessarily achieved in the same month the DARWIN is created, especially if there is little time between creation and the end of the month when the ratings are evaluated. Clearly, the more you achieve during your calibration phase, the less return you will need until you reach the minimum rating.

But as I said, how do you guarantee that? If you could guarantee that you would achieve X return with trading in X time, and not just once by chance but consistently and repeatedly, then you probably wouldn't have to worry about money anymore. The only ones who have some guarantee on their side in this case are Darwinex, who earn money from your purchase as soon as you complete it.
  • #1,787
  • Mar 23, 2026 6:22pm Mar 23, 2026 6:22pm
Quoting Noisy
Silver allocation is not necessarily achieved in the same month the DARWIN is created, especially if there is little time between creation and the end of the month when the ratings are evaluated. Clearly, the more you achieve during your calibration phase, the less return you will need until you reach the minimum rating. But as I said, how do you guarantee that? If you could guarantee that you would achieve X return with trading in X time, and not just once by chance but consistently and repeatedly, then you probably wouldn't have to worry about...
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my first few months i really never focused on the 30k...... earlier this year i received the allocation in an account that was not even a month old..... it happened again several times the following month...... and again......

it was then i began to try and understand how did that come to be...... it was not something i was trying to achieve......

But as I said, how do you guarantee that? i can not..... was just saying now i proven to myself it is possible......

as far as consistently and repeatedly, i have said many times and proved it many more, within reason, you can know every trade you will take next week today......

to be clearer, i can open a new darwin today with an intentionally cryptic name...... i can tell you today , within reason, every trade i will make during the calibration..... there will always be a few surprises i can not see today.... so it would be within reason only......

you have said in the past my trading is technical and complex........ you are correct......

as for money, you are correct again......h
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  • #1,788
  • Mar 23, 2026 11:36pm Mar 23, 2026 11:36pm
"when you know the average length of every signal, of every reasonable indicator, of every symbol, on every time frame it gets easier still......"

hmm... that's food for thought.
Probably not my thing but here is some general info based on phrase "The Average Length Signal Indicator" (which is probably nothing that hayseed meant)
I think hayseed programs those things himself.

The Average Length Signal Indicator (or adaptive MA) dynamically adjusts its lookback period to market volatility, lengthening during strong trends to reduce noise and shortening in choppy markets for faster reactions. It improves upon fixed-length moving averages (SMA/EMA) by minimizing lag and reducing false signals, providing clear trend direction and entry/exit signals.

Key Aspects of Adaptive Length Indicators:

  1. Adaptive Behavior: These indicators, such as Length Adaptive MA SuperTrend on TradingView, change their sensitivity based on market conditions, with lengths often adjusting between 50 and 200, according to this YouTube video.
  2. Trend Identification: The indicator line changes color—commonly green for bullish (uptrend) and red for bearish (downtrend)—and produces buy/sell markers when the trend shifts, notes ProRealCode's AutoLength Moving Average Indicator.
  3. Signal Mechanism: These tools often use a "signal moving average," which may diverge from price in ranging markets to prevent whip-saws, according to LuxAlgo's Signal Moving Average indicator page.
  4. Components: They frequently include a main trend line and, in some cases, additional volatility components like Average True Range (ATR) bands, for better, more accurate signal entry/exit points, explains this TradingView script.

These indicators are widely used to replace standard, rigid, 50-day or 200-day moving averages to get a more responsive, yet smoothed, market view, as discussed in this YouTube video.

  • #1,789
  • Mar 24, 2026 6:42am Mar 24, 2026 6:42am
Quoting hayseed
{quote} //----- my first few months i really never focused on the 30k...... earlier this year i received the allocation in an account that was not even a month old..... it happened again several times the following month...... and again...... it was then i began to try and understand how did that come to be...... it was not something i was trying to achieve...... But as I said, how do you guarantee that? i can not..... was just saying now i proven to myself it is possible...... as far as consistently and repeatedly, i have said many times and proved...
So registering early ensures you have maximum time to meet the minimum trading requirements (minimum 15 days / 25 trades) and generate enough performance data (track record) to be eligible for that month's allocation.

When I registered my first DarwinexZero account last year in August, my goal was to get an allocation as quickly as possible. At that time, I hadn't even considered PA or Booster allocations, as they obviously mean additional costs. But I quickly realized that this is already is very difficult to achieve. Just to cover the monthly subscription costs, a 1% return on investment is needed with the DARWIN (based on a minimum allocation of 30k).

I held the Darwin account until the end of November. So, a total of four months, and it didn't reach the minimum allocation of €30k despite profitable trading throughout those four months. The end result: I spent €38 over four months (€152 total) for practically nothing (hot air). Then my Darwin account was even deleted because I was just a few days late with my payment. I would have been better off buying some news shoes with that money.

By "guarantee," I mean exactly that. You have no guarantee. You can only do everything you can to increase the odds in your favor, but even that could be a fallacy.

I currently don't know if it's worth it for me to start another DarwinexZero account only to end up paying fees for months again and ultimately not having made any profit (the actual goal). So I was thinking of a classic Darwinex account, since at least there are no additional monthly fees, but then you also don't have the option for additional virtual allocation, only DarwinIA.
  • #1,790
  • Mar 24, 2026 6:47am Mar 24, 2026 6:47am
Quoting OutThere
"when you know the average length of every signal, of every reasonable indicator, of every symbol, on every time frame it gets easier still......" hmm... that's food for thought. Probably not my thing but here is some general info based on phrase "The Average Length Signal Indicator" (which is probably nothing that hayseed meant) I think hayseed programs those things himself. The Average Length Signal Indicator (or adaptive MA) dynamically adjusts its lookback period to market volatility, lengthening during strong trends to reduce noise and shortening...
I'm not even sure how helpful all these technical approaches, including indicator systems, really are anymore. The markets are showing pretty clearly right now what's REALLY driving things (a clown as president who changes his mind every other day and thus apparently has a brutal influence on the markets, wars everywhere, crises, inflation, etc.). Nobody seems to give a damn about any technical analysis tools.
  • #1,791
  • Mar 24, 2026 7:07am Mar 24, 2026 7:07am
Quoting Noisy
{quote} I'm not even sure how helpful all these technical approaches, including indicator systems, really are anymore. The markets are showing pretty clearly right now what's REALLY driving things (a clown as president who changes his mind every other day and thus apparently has a brutal influence on the markets, wars everywhere, crises, inflation, etc.). Nobody seems to give a damn about any technical analysis tools.
I know his approach is not technical analysis any more. It is statistical analyses and probabilities. It is about being in the right side most of the time and maybe all the time. I'm surprised AI hasn't been extensively used to figure out such info automatically. Maybe it is by the big players. There is I think a lot of info that can be extracted from the interactions of indicators for example, if you use ZZ as a base, from point to point, within that length, how does HMA's signal enters and exits? Same with other indicators. Then a sweet spot to enter or exit can be determined.
It definitely needs coding and very fine custom coding, not the type you pay a Fiverr's coder to make.
  • #1,792
  • Mar 24, 2026 7:16am Mar 24, 2026 7:16am
Looking at all the Darwins, it seems there isn't a single one that manages to achieve a certain minimum monthly return over several years, even if the total return might still be profitable in the long term. Not only when I look at the Darwins' track records, but also on other platforms where you can find transparent/verified track records of traders, such consistent monthly or quarterly minimum returns are not to be found. So how realistic is that if even the very best can't do it and how can one achieve a certain minimum return from trading that allows one to truly live 100% on it and cover costs that are due on a fixed monthly basis?

One of the best DARWINs (at least measured by longevity and total return) has managed to be profitable every month for at least 2 out of 12 years (2015 and 2022). Currently, it's even been in a drawdown for 3 months already.

Unfortunately, there's no filter on the Darwinex website that allows you to filter for DARWINs that maintain a certain minimum return (X) under a drawdown of X over a period of X, but I don't think there's a single one that can demonstrate either 2% or even 1% return under a maximum drawdown of say -10%, month after month over several years. It would be interesting to see if such a thing even exists.

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  • #1,793
  • Mar 24, 2026 7:42am Mar 24, 2026 7:42am
Quoting OutThere
{quote} I know his approach is not technical analysis any more. It is statistical analyses and probabilities. It is about being in the right side most of the time and maybe all the time. I'm surprised AI hasn't been extensively used to figure out such info automatically. Maybe it is by the big players. There is I think a lot of info that can be extracted from the interactions of indicators for example, if you use ZZ as a base, from point to point, within that length, how does HMA's signal enters and exits? Same with other indicators. Then a sweet...

Yes, I've always believed that a trading approach based on statistical probabilities and extensive testing would be the best way (regardless of what ultimately triggers an entry or exit signal for an individual trade – whether it's technical indicators, volume, or even just the time of day as the sole criterion). Currently, I'm not so sure anymore. It seems incredibly difficult to find such an approach that also delivers certain minimum results within a specific timeframe and with a specific drawdown, and does so consistently over the long term.

Perhaps what's needed isn't a single "holy grail" system, but rather a diversification of various trading systems that complement each other. Essentially, a portfolio approach. I don't really want to trade manually anymore. I tried manual scalping for a long time, spending hours a day staring at the chart, only to end up not only wasting a MASSIVE amount of time but also making no money. Furthermore, this type of trading can have an extremely negative impact on your health over time. It's not sustainable. That's how it was for me at the end, at least, where I thought, okay, no, this can't be right, you have to try to automate things somehow and spend as little time as possible (ideally no chart time at all), especially if you believe in statistical probabilities and that the next individual trade has no influence on your long-term performance, you have absolutely no control over the outcome of a single trade and it cannot be objectively repeated day in and out; you're just not a robot. Emotions and daily situations make it impossible to perform the same actions over and over again, thus ultimately ruining any statistical edge.
  • #1,794
  • Mar 24, 2026 9:04am Mar 24, 2026 9:04am
Quoting Noisy
{quote} Yes, I've always believed that a trading approach based on statistical probabilities and extensive testing would be the best way (regardless of what ultimately triggers an entry or exit signal for an individual trade – whether it's technical indicators, volume, or even just the time of day as the sole criterion). Currently, I'm not so sure anymore. It seems incredibly difficult to find such an approach that also delivers certain minimum results within a specific timeframe and with a specific drawdown, and does so consistently over the long...
Not claiming that I am over the hump for consistent profitability but one thing that helped me (while being in your situation) was to try to do one thing and only that one thing. That was, can I make just $1 per month consistently? What can I do that turns in $1 every month no matter what uncertainties the market throws at me.
I know that it sounds very simplistic cause you can make that in a second but will you keep it by the month end if you keep a whole month.
Making just a dollar at the end of the month sure beats being in negative by thousands, doesn't it?
Once you achieve that, then it is a matter of scale to make more.
In thinking along those lines, of course I ended up making more than a dollar and with more frequency than monthly.
So, for me it was about uncluttering and returning to basics to allow me see more clearly.
Maybe give that a try if you think there is a merit to that approach.
  • #1,795
  • Mar 24, 2026 9:31am Mar 24, 2026 9:31am
Quoting codemaster75
I noticed yesterday when you view your darwin on the darwinex website (in the url add "?detail_view=true" to the end), on the Return/Risk tab, they have added the option "Compare to benchmark (S&P 500)". That's a nice addition, how long has that been there? or has it always been there? I think they should also add the option "Compare to benchmark INDX (DarwinexLabs Index)". That would be even more impressive. I wonder what effect that would have on investors if they added that option?
Now they've added Gold Spot USD :-)

Still waiting for "INDX (DarwinexLabs Index)"
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  • #1,796
  • Mar 24, 2026 3:44pm Mar 24, 2026 3:44pm
Quoting OutThere
{quote} Not claiming that I am over the hump for consistent profitability but one thing that helped me (while being in your situation) was to try to do one thing and only that one thing. That was, can I make just $1 per month consistently? What can I do that turns in $1 every month no matter what uncertainties the market throws at me. I know that it sounds very simplistic cause you can make that in a second but will you keep it by the month end if you keep a whole month. Making just a dollar at the end of the month sure beats being in negative by...
Yes, I've thought along those lines too, but I'm wondering if this isn't a completely different approach to trading. As I understand it, it would mean trying to make $1 every month without considering my risk, time commitment, or even following a fixed trading system that would provide me with specific entry and exit signals? So, basically, chasing profits at all costs (outcome-oriented) versus trading my system and letting the profit take care of itself (process-oriented).

Of course, I could try to reach $1 every month, but then A) At what risk per trade, day, week, month? 50 cents, $1 or even risking $100 for that? B) What is my entry/exit signal for a trade (do I even have one of just roll the dice), and what do I do if the first trade immediately yields $1 and I reach my monthly goal? Do I stop for the rest of the month, even if my signal occurs 10, 20, 30, or 100 more times this month, or do I let my system trade each of these following signals and take what I get in the end? C) How much time will it take me to earn $1 every month this way (time is money)?
  • #1,797
  • Mar 24, 2026 4:12pm Mar 24, 2026 4:12pm
Quoting Noisy
{quote} Yes, I've thought along those lines too, but I'm wondering if this isn't a completely different approach to trading. As I understand it, it would mean trying to make $1 every month without considering my risk, time commitment, or even following a fixed trading system that would provide me with specific entry and exit signals? So, basically, chasing profits at all costs (outcome-oriented) versus trading my system and letting the profit take care of itself (process-oriented). Of course, I could try to reach $1 every month, but then A) At...
Haha, those are the things you will have to look for and decide.
Make a demo for $10 and see if you can make $1 with it and if you lose the account, make another with $100 and do the same until you figure out the risk ratio that suits your style.

entry/exit signal is decided by your method. I can't tell you that otherwise you might as well just copy my trades.
if the first trade immediately yields $1 and I you reach my monthly goal, continue until the month end. If after as many trades that you can make, your acct is positive by $1, congrats cause you have surived a month of constant trading. It's like you got free rides at the amusement park for free plus you got a dollar coin as souvenir.
If you make $30--50 or whatever, then you are the man and now you can open an acct 1000X bigger and make that much more profit. If you lose, you go back to your drawing board cause despite your efforts and a month at it, you couldn't make even $1.

or do I let my system trade each of these following signals and take what I get in the end? YES, trade every signal that you think you should until end of the month.

How much time will it take me to earn $1 every month this way (time is money)? Yes it could take a whole month to make $1. That is why you are doing this whole exercise. It is to find out if your chosen enter/exit choices can yield positive results consecutively. You can shorten the time to one week or one day or one hour if you want. if you choose the 1hr tf and make $8, then it is your hourly minimum haul. If after 8hrs, you consistently make $5, then multiply that bby the amount in your real account. If after 8 hrs, you constantly are losing money, then your method sucks.

Worked for me. Not saying it will work for you.
  • #1,798
  • Mar 25, 2026 7:05am Mar 25, 2026 7:05am
Quoting OutThere
{quote} Haha, those are the things you will have to look for and decide. Make a demo for $10 and see if you can make $1 with it and if you lose the account, make another with $100 and do the same until you figure out the risk ratio that suits your style. entry/exit signal is decided by your method. I can't tell you that otherwise you might as well just copy my trades. if the first trade immediately yields $1 and I you reach my monthly goal, continue until the month end. If after as many trades that you can make, your acct is positive by $1, congrats...
Thank you, so I basically understood it correctly, and that's essentially what I'm trying to find. A trading plan that would allow me to achieve a consistent minimum return within a specific timeframe while also adhering to a certain risk limit and every entry/exit signal that appears is executed during that period. So far I just haven't been able to find anything like that, hence the question of whether it's generally not possible (i.e., my expectations don't match reality) or if it is possible, why I can't find it. Like said, among the 11k DARWINs, I don't see a single one that consistently made 1R every month while simultaneously experiencing the maximum half in drawdown. Not even per quarter. If it's not possible to make 1R every month or quarter without risking more than 0.5R, then I wonder what a realistic return/risk ratio would be, over what period of time and how one can live off their pure trading performance if the payments are due monthly or quarterly, but one cannot assume achieving such a minimum return over this period, consistently and for many years (ideally for a lifetime, as long as one needs/wants to live off it). Even on a yearly basis, it doesn't seem realistic to maintain a minimum profit every year with a certain risk level. The DARWINs, which already have a track record of over 10+ years, have all had individual losing/minus years.
  • #1,799
  • Mar 25, 2026 8:18am Mar 25, 2026 8:18am
Based on the data I've collected, the following picture emerges across all DARWINs:

Average return: 2.58%
Average drawdown: -13.67%
Average AuM (Assets Under Management): 26,997 €
Average number of investors: 46
  • #1,800
  • Mar 25, 2026 1:25pm Mar 25, 2026 1:25pm
Quoting Noisy
Based on the data I've collected, the following picture emerges across all DARWINs: Average return: 2.58% Average drawdown: -13.67% Average AuM (Assets Under Management): 26,997 € Average number of investors: 46
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average return per what..... month.... year.....

looks like once someone has real investors, darwin has a estimated projection plan available.....

just set what % you figure on making that month and it calculates it for you...... that's several months away for me.....

like aerosmith says, dream on......h
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