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  • #1,641
  • Mar 8, 2026 9:21am Mar 8, 2026 9:21am
Quoting Noisy
{quote} Yes, true. But it’s also possible you buy a booster after x drawdown and your drawdown will even increase from there on.
well woundn't it is better than buying all at once? For example if u loose 10% on booster 1 and buy one more and you gain 5%. You are break even. You make 2.5% if u go older breakeven. If u loose after buying 2nd booster say 5%. You lost 7.5% on average as compared to 15%.
  • #1,642
  • Mar 8, 2026 9:33am Mar 8, 2026 9:33am
Yes, only way to lose is if you keep losing....once again, a trading problem. Even a horrible trader will get lucky eventually though.
Just keep martingaling the boosters.
  • #1,643
  • Mar 8, 2026 9:42am Mar 8, 2026 9:42am
Quoting pipmaster77
Yes, only way to lose is if you keep losing....once again, a trading problem. Even a horrible trader will get lucky eventually though. Just keep martingaling the boosters.
Another catch is your multiplier will be so messed up with 10% loss so may not even worth to buy. Restart will be better option.it is very difficult to loose 10% in a month keeping var multiplier 1. If it goes significantly below recovery becomes way more difficult
  • #1,644
  • Mar 8, 2026 10:20am Mar 8, 2026 10:20am
Quoting sampat
{quote} Another catch is your multiplier will be so messed up with 10% loss so may not even worth to buy. Restart will be better option.it is very difficult to loose 10% in a month keeping var multiplier 1. If it goes significantly below recovery becomes way more difficult
Very true. However, there is no way I am restarting a Darwin that is Gold or either of the other 2 at 18%+......throwing away the track record defeats the entire purpose of Darwinex.
Once again, like everything, all works great if you have an edge.
  • #1,645
  • Mar 8, 2026 10:30am Mar 8, 2026 10:30am
Quoting sampat
{quote} well woundn't it is better than buying all at once? For example if u loose 10% on booster 1 and buy one more and you gain 5%. You are break even. You make 2.5% if u go older breakeven. If u loose after buying 2nd booster say 5%. You lost 7.5% on average as compared to 15%.
Yes, I understand. Therefore, it would make more sense to buy boosters gradually rather than buying them all upfront for a longer period. My basic idea is simply to obtain as much capital as possible for a Darwin as quickly as possible, even if it comes at a cost (through these boosters), rather than focusing on performance-based goals like DarwinIA or investors (since both are difficult to predict in terms of timing and size).

My personal goal (better said "need") remains to generate short-term income that I can actually use to cover my living expenses, not to accumulate a long-term track record or grow an account. Therefore, with sufficient capital through boosters (even if virtual capital), using Darwinex seems to be the better option for me than having a thousand limitations and additional risks with props for this purpose.

500k in boosters would still be far from sufficient capital for this purpose, but apparently you are allowed to have several Darwins, each of which could then be equipped with boosters of up to 500k.

Perhaps someone could calculate for me what the least cost way would be with Darwinex to make at least €5k per month in PF with an average return of 2% per month.
  • #1,646
  • Mar 8, 2026 10:51am Mar 8, 2026 10:51am
Quoting Noisy
{quote} Yes, I understand. Therefore, it would make more sense to buy boosters gradually rather than buying them all upfront for a longer period. My basic idea is simply to obtain as much capital as possible for a Darwin as quickly as possible, even if it comes at a cost (through these boosters), rather than focusing on performance-based goals like DarwinIA or investors (since both are difficult to predict in terms of timing and size). My personal goal (better said "need") remains to generate short-term income that I can actually use to cover my...
$1,666,666,66 AUM would make you $5K monthly with a 2% return.
3 Darwins with $500K each, buying 50K 3M one at a time would make the most sense to me.
  • #1,647
  • Edited 11:15am Mar 8, 2026 11:01am | Edited 11:15am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} $1,666,666,66 AUM would make you $5K monthly with a 2% return. 3 Darwins with $500K each, buying 50K 3M one at a time would make the most sense to me.
you can also make good marketing, create your trading as business case!
create a website, describe your trading, get into the youtube interview with darwinex, make yourself (your darwinex) much more public and let people see your risk you will take so they can start build trust in you and grow from this. Take Thales as an good example for this.
and important for you, describe the differences between each of your darwins!!!!!! (more risk adjustments possible for investors)

to make it big, you can boost so much around the basic trading.
if you need help with this you can also ask me.

and calculate your maximum potential AUM correct (so your edge decay) , dont take Thales as a good example for this. overestimation can kill longterm success extrem fast with this because of 2 big reasons people always underestimate until get to this points.

you plan longterm, thats very big edge for you... boost this edge!
dont break your trading rules or describe the case on website before why you will change something (to give investors chance to close investment when they dont want changed risk parameters or style) ..... and can work big and great over time and you get the trust for very big investments.
  • #1,648
  • Mar 8, 2026 11:55am Mar 8, 2026 11:55am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} $1,666,666,66 AUM would make you $5K monthly with a 2% return. 3 Darwins with $500K each, buying 50K 3M one at a time would make the most sense to me.
Thank you! Is there no correlation issue with 3 Darwins and executing the same trades?
  • #1,649
  • Edited 1:27pm Mar 8, 2026 1:17pm | Edited 1:27pm
Quoting pipmaster77
buying 50K 3M one at a time would make the most sense to me.
The problem I see is that if I were to buy boosters gradually, I wouldn't have a fixed capital base to trade with from the beginning (and from which I could expect a potential income for a 2% monthly performance), and you can only equip your Darwin with boosters up to a limited amount (500k) otherwise you could max out all Darwins and still buy more boosters IF in drawdown.

Yes, the 1.66 million in AuM is otherwise correct for a 5k income / 2% monthly performance.

The total costs for 3 Darwins and boosters (2x200k, 1x100k each) including the monthly subscription fees would be $31,455 for 36 months. With perfect performance of 2% per month (or 72% non compounded return in 36 months), you would earn 180k in performance fees.

This scenario would also mean a 150k loss for Darwinex, since they wouldn't earn anything from the trading performance of these virtually equipped Darwins if they weren't copied to live Darwinex accounts somewhere. (-180k profit from the trader +31k in revenue from boosters and subscriptions)
  • #1,650
  • Mar 8, 2026 1:18pm Mar 8, 2026 1:18pm
Quoting sampat
Have u tried purchasing multiple ones within in a month
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i have many times...... they changed it back in january some time.......

seem to remember buying several in the same account the same day.....h
to trade and code, keep both simple... no call to impress....h
  • #1,651
  • Mar 8, 2026 1:39pm Mar 8, 2026 1:39pm
Quoting hayseed
{quote} //---- i have many times...... they changed it back in january some time....... seem to remember buying several in the same account the same day.....h
Their website only states that you can repurchase boosters once they've expired. It doesn't preclude the possibility of buying additional boosters at any time, as long as you haven't reached 500k right?
  • #1,652
  • Mar 8, 2026 2:25pm Mar 8, 2026 2:25pm
Quoting Noisy
{quote} Their website only states that you can repurchase boosters once they've expired. It doesn't preclude the possibility of buying additional boosters at any time, as long as you haven't reached 500k right?
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yes, if i understand you correctly......

most all my darwins are maxed out......on those, the banner offering new boosters does not exist.....

some might be 100k shy of max...... on those the banner is there, but the 200k option is not available......

the day boosters expire, you can repurchase......

it does not matter if the new purchase is instant or target type, it counts as purchased and the banner will disappear.....

i do not think what i'm doing was originally intended by darwin.....

hopefully they are ok with it.....h
to trade and code, keep both simple... no call to impress....h
  • #1,653
  • Edited 3:28pm Mar 8, 2026 3:12pm | Edited 3:28pm
Quoting hayseed
{quote} //---- yes, if i understand you correctly...... most all my darwins are maxed out......on those, the banner offering new boosters does not exist..... some might be 100k shy of max...... on those the banner is there, but the 200k option is not available...... the day boosters expire, you can repurchase...... it does not matter if the new purchase is instant or target type, it counts as purchased and the banner will disappear..... i do not think what i'm doing was originally intended by darwin..... hopefully they are ok with it.....h
Yes. You only buy boosters without target return? On the pricing table for boosters some of the target return boosters come at no additional costs? For example the 100k booster with 5% target return for 6M. So you even get free boosters automatically or how to understand the „—„ price tag?
  • #1,654
  • Mar 8, 2026 3:38pm Mar 8, 2026 3:38pm
Quoting Noisy
{quote} Yes. You only buy boosters without target return?
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for the first 4 months beginning back in october, yes...... never even considered the target types.....

it was you or someone else that changed my mind on that....

now i buy more target type..... heavy on the 36 month 100k and 200k @ 15%...... with 36 month 200k @ 20%.....

now i see the target type extends the life of the booster beyond 36 months which increases your total return..... and i start earning at a much reduced cost.....

unless darwin stops me, before the year ends i should have 20 accounts maxed out with 36 month 100's and 200's.....

i will be my biggest investor....h
to trade and code, keep both simple... no call to impress....h
  • #1,655
  • Mar 8, 2026 3:51pm Mar 8, 2026 3:51pm
Quoting hayseed
now i buy more target type.
I was just wondering why some of the target return boosters don't show a price at all? How are you supposed to "buy" them then? So you then automatically get a 100k booster credited to your Darwin account once you achieved a 5% return after 6 months? Then you wouldn't have to buy any boosters at all and could simply wait until you've achieved 25% return to receive 5 free 100k boosters or what? You would then be equipped with 500k boosters completely for free for 6 months.

Quoting hayseed
i will be my biggest investor....h
Haha, yes

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  • #1,656
  • Mar 8, 2026 4:26pm Mar 8, 2026 4:26pm
Quoting Noisy
You would then be equipped with 500k boosters completely for free for 6 months.
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not sure i understand some your questions... some of the boosters are not available at all targets...... that has more to do with a business decision on darwins part...... there is more than enough available for us......

yes, when i purchase a instant booster my plan is to recover the cost the same month..... it gives me the remaining months free.....

sometimes i fall a little short of covering the cost the first month....... sometimes i double the cost the first month..... but my plan is to fully recover the cost the first month.....

the account below almost doubled the cost in one month..... so now the remaining are mine.....

it's a lot of work.......h
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to trade and code, keep both simple... no call to impress....h
  • #1,657
  • Mar 8, 2026 4:41pm Mar 8, 2026 4:41pm
Quoting hayseed
some of the boosters are not available at all targets...... }
Thank you. That’s what i wanted to know. It thought some of the target return boosters are for free because of the „—„ showing up in the price table.

What you do is exactly what i would like to to with boosters too. However I’ll first have to find a working trading approach before looking at Darwinex again. At least it gives some hope to me that sufficient trading capital with Darwinex wouldn’t be the problem.
  • #1,658
  • Edited 10:46am Mar 9, 2026 8:16am | Edited 10:46am
Quoting pipmaster77
Persoanlly, I am leaning towards purchasing 10 50K 3M over the course of 10 weeks on just one Darwin....setting up weekly payouts and diffent HWM on each. If I like the results on one, I'll do the other 2 AND start aquiring more Darwins
If my calculations are correct, you would need to buy 41 x 50k boosters to have 500,000k booster AuM every day of the year. You wouldn't need to buy a new booster exactly every week, but only every 9-10 days.

Simultaneous 50k-Boosters: 10
Available Capital: €500,000 (constant)
Purchases per Year: 41
Cost for 1 booster: $265
Annual Costs: $10,865
Average Monthly Costs: $10,865 ÷ 12 ≈ $905

To cover these $905 per month with the performance of your Darwin, you would need to generate ≈ 1,21% per month (no profit made yet)
For my personal goal (minimum income of €5k per month), that would mean I would have to make a monthly return of 7,88% with the Darwin.

In comparison, if you were to equip your Darwin with 500k in Booster AuM for 3 years immediately, for example by purchasing 2x200k and 1x100k, you would only have spent $9,945 for 3 years. That's only $3,315 for 1 year or $276 per month instead of $905 per month and buying a 50K booster 41 times a year.

To cover these $267 per month with the performance of your Darwin, you would need to generate ≈ 0,35% per month (no profit made yet)
For my personal goal (minimum income of €5k per month), that would mean I would have to make a return of 7,02% with the Darwin.

So, with the plan to buy a 50k Booster every week instead of a one-time 500k with only 3 boosters, you would have to achieve around 3.5 times more return.

As I see it, gradually buying multiple boosters (like every week) is more worthwhile if your trading performance is relatively unstable and fluctuating. Sure, you then likely make money with the boosters during drawdown recovery phases, but you also need to achieve a higher overall average performance just to cover the costs. Conversely, if you have relatively stable performance and recover relatively quickly from each drawdown phase (ideally without any drawdown/minus months at all), you would likely benefit from fewer booster purchases and therefore lower expenses.

I think it's difficult to say in theory what is ultimately better without seeing a direct comparison of the same trades on two different Darwins, one using the weekly purchase plan for boosters and the other using a direct purchase with maximum allocation. But it also shows how difficult it will be to achieve my required €5k monthly income, especially with only one Darwin and €500k. Over 7% monthly return required, and consistently so, well... If the risk multiplier is 0.5 instead of 1, then double the return would be necessary, i.e., 14% per month.
  • #1,659
  • Mar 9, 2026 5:07pm Mar 9, 2026 5:07pm
Quoting Noisy
{quote} If my calculations are correct, you would need to buy 41 x 50k boosters to have 500,000k booster AuM every day of the year. You wouldn't need to buy a new booster exactly every week, but only every 9-10 days. Simultaneous 50k-Boosters: 10 Available Capital: €500,000 (constant) Purchases per Year: 41 Cost for 1 booster: $265 Annual Costs: $10,865 Average Monthly Costs: $10,865 ÷ 12 ≈ $905 To cover these $905 per month with the performance of your Darwin, you would need to generate ≈ 1,21% per month (no profit made yet) For my...
No offense, but have you ever heard the expression "paralysis by analysis".......you are over analyzing and you self-admittingly do not feel you even have an edge in the markets. Find your edge, trade, and everything else will fall into place. I'm sure you have noticed hayseed and I don't pay much attention to var, risk engine and the like......I'm about to have 3 Gold Darwins and hayseed is on his way to 10 AUM in boosters alone.
  • #1,660
  • Mar 9, 2026 5:59pm Mar 9, 2026 5:59pm
Quoting pipmaster77
"paralysis by analysis"
When I hear the word "booster" coupled with a math calculation I mentally tap out
Pride always comes before destruction.... -Proverbs 16:18
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