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  • #1,621
  • Mar 7, 2026 12:55pm Mar 7, 2026 12:55pm
Quoting Noisy
{quote} All the boosters can be purchased for 3 years. The maximum allocation of boosters over 3 years, consisting of two 200k boosters and one 100k booster (500k total), would cost $9,945. A 3% monthly return compounded over 36 months results in a total return of approximately 190%. 500.000 * 1.9 * 0.15 = $142,500 $142,500 - $9,945 = $132,555 ROI = ~1.230%, 13,3 times That's just theory, though. Whether you'd actually achieve 3% per month over three years in practice is another question. It also doesn't take into account the time investment required...
Why would any one in right mind buys boosters more than 3 month? Don't you expect drawdown period? Renew resets HWM which beats even 50% discount you get with 3 year Buying 3 month 25k every month beats 100k one account.
  • #1,622
  • Edited 1:26pm Mar 7, 2026 1:06pm | Edited 1:26pm
Quoting sampat
{quote} Why would any one in right mind buys boosters more than 3 month? Don't you expect drawdown period? Renew resets HWM which beats even 50% discount you get with 3 year Buying 3 month 25k every month beats 100k one account.
Yes, whether it's tactically smart to pay upfront for the maximum allocation of boosters for three years is another question. I was just looking at the costs and the potential profit one could expect if, as Pip says, one were to make 3% per month.

I haven’t looked at Darwinex for a while, looks like the permanent allocations are no longer available.

Edit: Just as an aside: A one-time investment of $10,000 in Bitcoin from March 1, 2023 to March 1, 2026 (36 months) would have yielded a return of ~150% (completely without any time investment, "chart time").
  • #1,623
  • Mar 7, 2026 1:22pm Mar 7, 2026 1:22pm
Quoting Noisy
{quote} Yes, whether it's tactically smart to pay upfront for the maximum allocation of boosters for three years is another question. I was just looking at the costs and the potential profit one could expect if, as Pip says, one were to make 3% per month. I haven’t looked at Darwinex for a while, looks like the permanent allocations are no longer available.
Yea that looks good on paper but if I ask spend 500$ and earn 10K whould you prefer that or spend 10K and earn 25K. Most of people prefer first one. But here you are not going to spend 10K from your pocket. You will spend over time which is coming from profits not from your pocket. So ROI is not big issue dealing with prop firms as spending 50K and earning 75K looks bad on paper but trader is not going to spend 50K from his bank account its profit spawing profits.
  • #1,624
  • Mar 7, 2026 1:46pm Mar 7, 2026 1:46pm
Quoting sampat
{quote} Yea that looks good on paper but if I ask spend 500$ and earn 10K.
How did you arrive at that calculation? From 500 to 10000? What was done, and over what period of time?
  • #1,625
  • Mar 7, 2026 1:53pm Mar 7, 2026 1:53pm
Quoting Noisy
{quote} How did you arrive at that calculation? From 500 to 10000? What was done, and over what period of time?
In above example if you buy 3 year booster.
  • #1,626
  • Mar 7, 2026 2:27pm Mar 7, 2026 2:27pm
Quoting sampat
{quote} In above example if you buy 3 year booster.
I still don't quite understand, but it's okay. A 25k booster that costs $140 for 3 months seems far more expensive than a 25k booster for 36 months that costs $505 or what I am missing?
  • #1,627
  • Mar 7, 2026 4:03pm Mar 7, 2026 4:03pm
With a $520 initial investment, say March 15, 3% monthly and reinvesting PF, you could have 500K 3yr by Decemebr and not need to invest any additional money until Decemeber 2029....assuming the 3%, this will earn you $2,250 monthly.
As Hayseed has laid out, duplicate accross 20 and you have your 10 million in funding and 45K monthly.
So for about 10K, you can create a 45K monthly income within 9 months.
  • #1,628
  • Mar 7, 2026 5:11pm Mar 7, 2026 5:11pm
I am not sure why any one wants to by 3 year plan instead of 3 month. Is it just me or any one else too.
In every single case the 3-month plan wins on fees because it does one simple thing — it treats each short period as its own fresh opportunity. The 3-year plan essentially punishes you for your own past success by making every peak a permanent hurdle you must clear again and again.

Scenario 1 — Strong Start, Bad Middle
Booster starts at $25,000 → grows to $32,000 by month 8 → crashes to $27,000 by month 14 → recovers to $33,000 by month 20.
3-Month plan: HWM resets every 3 months. During the crash and recovery phase you're earning fees on any local gains within each cycle. By month 20 you've collected fees across multiple cycles.
3-Year plan: HWM is locked at $32,000 from month 8. Months 9 through 19 — nearly a full year — you earn zero fees despite trading every day. You only start earning again at month 20 when you finally clear $32,000

Scenario 2 — Slow Grind Upward With Regular Pullbacks
Every month you gain 5% then the next month you lose 3%. Repeating pattern throughout 3 years.
3-Month plan: Each 3-month cycle captures the net gain. You earn fees consistently on the up months within each cycle because the HWM resets before the previous high becomes a burden.
3-Year plan: Every up month sets a new HWM. The following down month puts you below it. You spend roughly half your trading months earning nothing, even though the strategy is clearly profitable overall.

Scenario 3 — Seasonal Slump
Your strategy historically underperforms every summer (June–August) due to low market volatility. Every year you lose around 8% across those 3 months.
3-Month plan: The summer slump conveniently falls within one or two cycles. HWM resets in September and you enter autumn with a clean slate, earning fees on your typically strong Q4.
3-Year plan: Three consecutive summers of 8% drawdowns stack up against a single HWM that never resets. Your strong Q4 performance each year is largely eaten up recovering summer losses rather than generating new fees.

Scenario 4 — One Catastrophic Month
Everything goes wrong in month 15. A black swan event drops your Booster from $29,000 to $22,000 — a 24% drawdown. You recover steadily over the next 10 months back to $29,000.
3-Month plan: The catastrophic month hits within one cycle. Next cycle starts fresh from $22,000. You earn fees during every recovery month for the next 10 months as you rebuild. By the time you're back at $29,000 you've collected significant fees along the way.
3-Year plan: HWM stays at $29,000. All 10 recovery months generate zero fees. You trade for nearly a year earning nothing from performance fees. Then when you finally clear $29,000, one good month sets another high HWM and the cycle of risk continues.

Scenario 5 — Multiple Small Peaks
Your equity hits a new high almost every 2 months but always pulls back slightly before the next push.
3-Month plan: Each new high within a cycle earns fees. The small pullbacks between highs don't hurt much because the cycle resets before they compound.
3-Year plan: Every new all-time high raises the bar permanently. The frequent small pullbacks mean you're constantly falling just below the HWM and then spending weeks clawing back just to earn on the next marginal gain.

Scenario 6 — Great Year 1, Terrible Year 2, Recovery Year 3
Year 1: Booster grows from $25,000 to $40,000. Year 2: Drops back to $28,000. Year 3: Recovers to $42,000.
3-Month plan: Year 1 generates strong fees. Year 2 losses are split across 4 cycles, each resetting. Year 3 starts earning fees from much lower HWM levels. Total fees collected across all 3 years are healthy.
3-Year plan: HWM hits $40,000 by end of Year 1. The entire Year 2 and most of Year 3 generate zero fees — you're just recovering. You only start earning again near the very end of Year 3 when you finally pass $40,000. Three years of trading, and meaningful fees only come from Year 1 and a few months of Year 3.

Scenario 7 — Volatile But Net Flat Strategy
Your strategy oscillates wildly but ends roughly where it started after 3 years. Big swings up and down throughout.
3-Month plan: Despite going nowhere overall, the big up swings within individual 3-month cycles generate real fees. You profit from volatility itself.
3-Year plan: The first big peak locks in a high HWM. All subsequent swings are measured against that early peak. Despite the same volatile moves happening, most of them are spent just recovering. You earn almost nothing over 3 years from a strategy that had plenty of profitable months.
  • #1,629
  • Mar 7, 2026 5:41pm Mar 7, 2026 5:41pm
Quoting sampat
I am not sure why any one wants to by 3 year plan instead of 3 month. Is it just me or any one else too. In every single case the 3-month plan wins on fees because it does one simple thing — it treats each short period as its own fresh opportunity. The 3-year plan essentially punishes you for your own past success by making every peak a permanent hurdle you must clear again and again. Scenario 1 — Strong Start, Bad Middle Booster starts at $25,000 → grows to $32,000 by month 8 → crashes to $27,000 by month 14 → recovers to $33,000...
Fantastic explanation.
I actually see it in my Darwins now and I have never bought a booster or allocation.
The one that just hit gold last month did not earn anything the past 3 months.
Another great point is considering there is not much of a discount from 25K to 200K and each booster is treated individualy (both on pay cycle and HWM), one would be better off purchasing a 3 month 25K every week and creating a weekly pay cycle.
  • #1,630
  • Mar 7, 2026 5:55pm Mar 7, 2026 5:55pm
Quoting Trader191
{quote} Should be zigzag and fractal not be same , depends on what amount of candles you use right and left of signal candle? So looks like you just use higher fractal candle for zigzag, you could also use just 2 different fractals (like 2 against 5).
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occasionally yes..... more so on higher timeframes...... less so on lower timeframes.....

the idea is to locate a chart that has a rising 1440, 240 and 60 timeframes...... then drop down to the 1,5,and 15 minute for entrys..... in this case zigzag or fractals..... you must of course allow for the zigzag repainting.....

below is the canadian dollar..... one chart shows the daily and the other shows the same period of time on the 30 minute..... many more fractals per zigzag leg on the 30......

in a higher timeframe uptrend, 1440, 240 and 60, it seems to help me to carefully buy when the 1,5,and 15 are vastsly oversold as seen in stochastic.....h
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to trade and code, keep both simple... no call to impress....h
  • #1,631
  • Mar 8, 2026 4:46am Mar 8, 2026 4:46am
Quoting pipmaster77
Another great point is considering there is not much of a discount from 25K to 200K
A 3-month 25k booster costs a one-time fee of $140. If you had to repurchase it every 3 months, you would pay $140 twelve times over the 3 years. That's a total cost of $1680. A 3-year 25k booster costs a one-time fee of $505. Have I missed something, or what do you mean by "no big discount"? Wouldn't the 3-year 25k booster cost more than three times less?

Whether that's tactically wise, considering the HWM issue and potential drawdowns you'd have over the 3 years, I don't know. But let's say you're not reaching a consistent 3% return every month, but rather experiencing drawdown/minus months and therefore not being paid out by the booster capital, but then you have other months that might yield 9% return and so you'll even get paid significantly more for those months, shouldn't that even things out in the end?
  • #1,632
  • Mar 8, 2026 5:58am Mar 8, 2026 5:58am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Fantastic explanation. I actually see it in my Darwins now and I have never bought a booster or allocation. The one that just hit gold last month did not earn anything the past 3 months. Another great point is considering there is not much of a discount from 25K to 200K and each booster is treated individualy (both on pay cycle and HWM), one would be better off purchasing a 3 month 25K every week and creating a weekly pay cycle.
you can't buy more than 1 booster per month. Atleast it used to be like that earlier.
  • #1,633
  • Mar 8, 2026 6:09am Mar 8, 2026 6:09am
Quoting sampat
{quote} you can't buy more than 1 booster per month. Atleast it used to be like that earlier.
You can now buy every day if you like, just cannot have more than 500K active or "pending target" at one time.
  • #1,634
  • Mar 8, 2026 6:23am Mar 8, 2026 6:23am
Quoting Noisy
{quote} A 3-month 25k booster costs a one-time fee of $140. If you had to repurchase it every 3 months, you would pay $140 twelve times over the 3 years. That's a total cost of $1680. A 3-year 25k booster costs a one-time fee of $505. Have I missed something, or what do you mean by "no big discount"? Wouldn't the 3-year 25k booster cost more than three times less? Whether that's tactically wise, considering the HWM issue and potential drawdowns you'd have over the 3 years, I don't know. But let's say you're not reaching a consistent 3% return every...
Was just explaining $500 would be better spent buying a 100K 3M and renewing every month vs. a 25K 3 yr, the 100K 3 month woould yield 2.8 times higher ROI over 3 yr with all else being equal.
The discount I was referring to was the SIZE of the boosters, a 25K 3M is $140, a 200K is $1,025, only saves $95 over 8 * 25K, which you could stack and get paid multiple times per month AND they each have thier own HWM.
There are significant discounts on the TIME aspects of the boosters....intentionally done to make them look far more appealing....I believe sampat has already done a fantastic job explaining that is not the better option under ANY scenario.......other than grinding that 2-3% monthly AND hitting new HWM every month.
Hitting new HWM every month is how Darwinex works and I have pretty consistently done that in all 3 Darwins, BUT on the boosters, why lay out the bigger money up front with even the slightest chance of perhaps going months without getting paid.
Persoanlly, I am leaning towards purchasing 10 50K 3M over the course of 10 weeks on just one Darwin....setting up weekly payouts and diffent HWM on each.
If I like the results on one, I'll do the other 2 AND start aquiring more Darwins
  • #1,635
  • Mar 8, 2026 6:41am Mar 8, 2026 6:41am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Was just explaining $500 would be better spent buying a 100K 3M and renewing every month vs. a 25K 3 yr, the 100K 3 month woould yield 2.8 times higher ROI over 3 yr with all else being equal. The discount I was referring to was the SIZE of the boosters, a 25K 3M is $140, a 200K is $1,025, only saves $95 over 8 * 25K, which you could stack and get paid multiple times per month AND they each have thier own HWM. There are significant discounts on the TIME aspects of the boosters....intentionally done to make them look far more appealing....I...
Got it. Yes, i was only referring to the time aspect in regards to the discounted prices for the boosters.

I like to keep things simple. Stacking boosters every week/months over one or even several darwin’s sounds like a lot of „operational time“ again, that’s why i thought buying a booster that just stays there for as long as possible sounds like the easier way especially if you even pay less less for it than constantly buying/renewing boosters.
  • #1,636
  • Mar 8, 2026 6:47am Mar 8, 2026 6:47am
Quoting Noisy
{quote} Got it. Yes, i was only referring to the time aspect in regards to the discounted prices for the boosters. I like to keep things simple. Stacking boosters every week/months over one or even several darwin’s sounds like a lot of „operational time“ again.
Well you are not trading them separately. They just have their own starting quote and HWM based on when you add them......the real strategic approach is adding them during recovery of DD....in this manner, you are earning on recovery.
  • #1,637
  • Mar 8, 2026 6:55am Mar 8, 2026 6:55am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Well you are not trading them separately. They just have their own starting quote and HWM based on when you add them......the real strategic approach is adding them during recovery of DD....in this manner, you are earning on recovery.
Yes, true. But it’s also possible you buy a booster after x drawdown and your drawdown will even increase from there on.
  • #1,638
  • Mar 8, 2026 6:58am Mar 8, 2026 6:58am
Quoting Noisy
{quote} Yes, true. But it’s also possible you buy a booster after x drawdown and your drawdown will even increase from there on.
Well, yeah, but that's a trading problem, not a Darwinex problem. Everything I explain is based on having an edge and being a profitable trader.
  • #1,639
  • Mar 8, 2026 7:15am Mar 8, 2026 7:15am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} You can now buy every day if you like, just cannot have more than 500K active or "pending target" at one time.
some how darwinexzero.com website chat support doesn't agree. It says "
You can purchase multiple Boosters as long as the total notional capital from all active Boosters does not exceed the maximum limit of €400,000. However, you can only purchase one Booster per month. Once the existing Boosters expire or if you are under the €400,000 limit, you can purchase additional Boosters in subsequent months.". Have u tried purchasing multiple ones within in a month
  • #1,640
  • Mar 8, 2026 7:19am Mar 8, 2026 7:19am
Quoting sampat
{quote} some how darwinexzero.com website chat support doesn't agree. It says " You can purchase multiple Boosters as long as the total notional capital from all active Boosters does not exceed the maximum limit of €400,000. However, you can only purchase one Booster per month. Once the existing Boosters expire or if you are under the €400,000 limit, you can purchase additional Boosters in subsequent months.". Have u tried purchasing multiple ones within in a month
I am guessing they have not updated automated response since removal of the permanent allocations, as that was the rule.
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I have not purchased any boosters as of yet. However, I know Hayseed purchases pretty much daily.
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