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  • #4,361
  • Feb 14, 2026 9:14am Feb 14, 2026 9:14am
Quoting Stoneyrocks
{quote} to turn $641 into $21212 , that is 3209% , in a personal account in a compounding way you need to make 2.53% DAILY (assuming 20 trading days/month) to get there in 7 months and in the prop account you are assuming 5% MONTHLY in a non-compounding way 2.53% daily compounded in the personal account compared to 5% monthly non-compounded in the prop account , this does not make any sense , my friend
Some will never get the math.
  • #4,362
  • Feb 14, 2026 10:29am Feb 14, 2026 10:29am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} This is where futures reigns supreme. Forex has no central exchange, therefore, brokers and LPs make the price. In addition, NZD is the least liquid of the majors and NZDCHF probably at the very bottom of the 28 major pairs. This was at an 8:30 am news release to boot....... all of the ingredients of a perfect storm......
good answer, but not complete picture!
in future with currencies you have same problem , most only dont see it correct.

Future and CFD prices are both just the copy of the interbank prices more or less and the small markets against interbank markets, so its special for currencies.
a future chart price are often listed in last traded price, OTC CFD will be often listed as bid and ask price (some use middle price too) ... so this create the difference, when you would list on futures the ask and bid you would get same picture. Futures are smaller against OTC markets , maybe this will change over time with the new CME FX Spot+, but i never tested it until now so i cant say personal experience about it.
  • #4,363
  • Feb 14, 2026 10:35am Feb 14, 2026 10:35am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Some will never get the math.
well, it demonstrates that you need an impossible DAILY return of 2.5% compounded in your personal account to catch up with a non-compounded prop account making only 5% MONTHLY so the prop account is THE WAY to go !
  • #4,364
  • Feb 14, 2026 12:13pm Feb 14, 2026 12:13pm
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  • #4,365
  • Feb 14, 2026 3:04pm Feb 14, 2026 3:04pm
Quoting Trader191
{quote} good answer, but not complete picture! in future with currencies you have same problem , most only dont see it correct. Future and CFD prices are both just the copy of the interbank prices more or less and the small markets against interbank markets, so its special for currencies. a future chart price are often listed in last traded price, OTC CFD will be often listed as bid and ask price (some use middle price too) ... so this create the difference, when you would list on futures the ask and bid you would get same picture. Futures are smaller...
The point I was trying to make is in futures, everyone SHOULD see the same price.
On futures I only trade YM,ES,NQ and GC and every broker and firm I use has the same price.
On forex and CFD, as poster indicated, price can vary widely between brokers. Hence, why you may get stopped at one broker and not the other.
  • #4,366
  • Feb 14, 2026 3:06pm Feb 14, 2026 3:06pm
Quoting Stoneyrocks
{quote} well, it demonstrates that you need an impossible DAILY return of 2.5% compounded in your personal account to catch up with a non-compounded prop account making only 5% MONTHLY so the prop account is THE WAY to go !
Exactly. I 1000% agree. What I meant by some will never get the math. Your ROI on the same R;R trades in a prop account will be 1000's of % higher vs. a personal account.
  • #4,367
  • Feb 14, 2026 3:29pm Feb 14, 2026 3:29pm
Quoting Stoneyrocks
{quote}this does not make any sense , my friend
NOTHING TRANdy ever says makes sense
Pride always comes before destruction.... -Proverbs 16:18
  • #4,368
  • Feb 15, 2026 1:59am Feb 15, 2026 1:59am
Quoting Trader191
{quote} good answer, but not complete picture! in future with currencies you have same problem , most only dont see it correct. Future and CFD prices are both just the copy of the interbank prices more or less and the small markets against interbank markets, so its special for currencies. a future chart price are often listed in last traded price, OTC CFD will be often listed as bid and ask price (some use middle price too) ... so this create the difference, when you would list on futures the ask and bid you would get same picture....
Since when ?
I have always know :

"CME Group futures trade on a centralized, regulated exchange platform. This setup ensures transparency and reduces counterparty risk through a central limit order book"
I might be wrong , I have been wrong before
  • #4,369
  • Edited 2:32am Feb 15, 2026 2:18am | Edited 2:32am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} The point I was trying to make is in futures, everyone SHOULD see the same price. On futures I only trade YM,ES,NQ and GC and every broker and firm I use has the same price. On forex and CFD, as poster indicated, price can vary widely between brokers. Hence, why you may get stopped at one broker and not the other.
Yes in futures market everyone sees same prices but it happens every day almost at every candle high and low that some get stopped out and some don't even on the same broker because its real market. Will you order get filled fully, partially or not at all, it depends on how many orders are ahead in the queue.
I might be wrong , I have been wrong before
  • #4,370
  • Feb 15, 2026 8:01am Feb 15, 2026 8:01am
Quoting Mandariin
{quote} Yes in futures market everyone sees same prices but it happens every day almost at every candle high and low that some get stopped out and some don't even on the same broker because its real market. Will you order get filled fully, partially or not at all, it depends on how many orders are ahead in the queue.
Yes, forgot to factor in the partial or no fills. I guess the point I was trying to make is the centalized exchange of futures vs. the wild west of forex. Obviously, not as bad as it once was....but around news, rollover, etc, they can spike wherever they'd like and the broker simply blames the LP
  • #4,371
  • Edited 9:31am Feb 15, 2026 9:04am | Edited 9:31am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Yes, forgot to factor in the partial or no fills. I guess the point I was trying to make is the centalized exchange of futures vs. the wild west of forex. Obviously, not as bad as it once was....but around news, rollover, etc, they can spike wherever they'd like and the broker simply blames the LP
but in news you also get only out to bid and offers in futures! it is exactly same, last traded price you cant use to go out for your next trades inside the news.

centralized has advantages and disadvantages, same for OTC.

Counterpart risk is important risk for OTC (but will not help a lot with futures and daytrading or scalping, because always your broker is with your cash again same counterpart risk and so same like CFD broker ... different for longterm positions) and LP prices (so near same like prices for same trading object on different exchanges ). for OTC you should know what LP are included and how they behave, counterpart risk you can secure when you make it smart.

its a big knowledge topic, and knowledge is of course an extra edge to find more easy ways, more cheap ways , additional ways, smarter ways.....

partial fills you get in future and in CFD OTC, i have it many times each day... no fills is only sometimes in very fast moves.

biggest point is the margin / open loss calculation method - how your broker calculates this, what models you choose ..... this can really make extrem difference when you use a lot of margin.
  • #4,372
  • Feb 15, 2026 10:11am Feb 15, 2026 10:11am
Quoting Mandariin
{quote} Since when ? I have always know : "CME Group futures trade on a centralized, regulated exchange platform. This setup ensures transparency and reduces counterparty risk through a central limit order book"
Its apparent he doesn’t know fuck all about futures market.
Trade with confidence, trade without fear.
  • #4,373
  • Feb 15, 2026 10:16am Feb 15, 2026 10:16am
Quoting Mandariin
{quote} Since when ? I have always know : "CME Group futures trade on a centralized, regulated exchange platform. This setup ensures transparency and reduces counterparty risk through a central limit order book"
when you do daytrading and open and close the trade you still have cash after closing and this is counterpart risk with your broker, same counterpart risk you would have with a CFD. so for longterm trading, when you hold structured products long time, this is really a fact and a advantage of futures/exchanges .... you have of course always compare it with the disadvantages same time too.
  • #4,374
  • Feb 15, 2026 10:19am Feb 15, 2026 10:19am
Quoting Cryptosurf
{quote} Its apparent he doesn’t know fuck all about futures market.
why, tell me one little thing what was wrong with what i did say!?

you really need to learn to be more talking with arguments, what you do is often bring some bad words with wrong facts as combination, that will stop all arguments and you will learn nothing from other by this and no one will learn something from you by this. so use the chance to get a talk about this topic, when you dont know it good enough already or teach other when you really know something.... just talk bad words will not help anyone and for sure makes you look stupid over time.
  • #4,375
  • Feb 15, 2026 10:44am Feb 15, 2026 10:44am
Quoting Trader191
{quote} why, tell me one little thing what was wrong with what i did say!? you really need to learn to be more talking with arguments, what you do is often bring some bad words with wrong facts as combination, that will stop all arguments and you will learn nothing from other by this and no one will learn something from you by this. so use the chance to get a talk about this topic, when you dont know it good enough already or teach other when you really know something.... just talk bad words will not help anyone and for sure makes you look stupid...
What you stated was a canned response with zero relation to the futures market.

Quoting Trader191
{quote}Future and CFD prices are both just the copy of the interbank prices more or less and the small markets against interbank
More or less??? = Zero fuck all knowledge of futures.
Trade with confidence, trade without fear.
  • #4,376
  • Feb 15, 2026 10:52am Feb 15, 2026 10:52am
Quoting Cryptosurf
{quote} What you stated was a canned response with zero relation to the futures market. {quote} More or less??? = Zero fuck all knowledge of futures.
do you really think future market is in currencies bigger than interbank market? its so much different type of market against other markets.

i hope you know that the difference in future prices are the interest rates integrated until expire days already and you dont want speak about a difference in future price because of this. its same calculation like forward prices in CFD.
  • #4,377
  • Feb 15, 2026 11:18am Feb 15, 2026 11:18am
Quoting Trader191
{quote} do you really think future market is in currencies bigger than interbank market? its so much different type of market against other markets. i hope you know that the difference in future prices are the interest rates integrated until expire days already and you dont want speak about a difference in future price because of this. its same calculation like forward prices in CFD.
Oh I see, you’re stuck thinking participants here are trading “currencies” in the futures market.

They are not. They are in indicies, metals, energy. That’s where the money is made.
Trade with confidence, trade without fear.
  • #4,378
  • Feb 15, 2026 11:49am Feb 15, 2026 11:49am
Quoting Cryptosurf
{quote} Oh I see, you’re stuck thinking participants here are trading “currencies” in the futures market. They are not. They are in indicies, metals, energy. That’s where the money is made.
but anything i mention was about currency futures and currency market, i did mention this too. for different markets its different and has nothing to do about where people make or lose money (by the way, i cant complain about currency markets, i have good wins there each year ) .

this all was result talk because of reference to price difference in some picture someone did send before....
  • #4,379
  • Feb 16, 2026 6:49am Feb 16, 2026 6:49am
Quoting Shantala
See if it is useful to anyone {image}
Is this a free tool?
  • #4,380
  • Feb 17, 2026 1:05pm Feb 17, 2026 1:05pm
Does anyone know something about Elite Trader Funding? Never heard of it and I won a giveaway. Seen some bad reviews on trust pilot
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