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  • #1
  • First Post: Oct 22, 2025 10:01am Oct 22, 2025 10:01am
I've always heard people say an EA can't be long-term profitable because it doesn't adapt, change, or make intelligent decisions like a human trader. It doesn't have discretion or intuition.

But I've always believed it's possible for an EA to outperform humans if it's designed and structured the right way.

This discussion is about exactly that. I'm talking about a 100% fully automated system where not even 0.01% of it requires human intervention. No manual trades, no restarts, no tweaking, no human input at all. Once it's turned on, it's completely self-sufficient. Even the platform restarts are automated.

Right now I'm running early tests only on USD pairs across M1 to M15 timeframes. I started here just to make the testing more active, but I expect the results to improve on higher timeframes like M15 and above.

This can be applied to any currency or instrument. USD, GBP, JPY, Gold, it doesn't matter.

I was originally planning to wait until there was more history before sharing this, but I decided to open it up now for discussion and make it an AMA.
  • #2
  • Oct 22, 2025 10:26am Oct 22, 2025 10:26am
I am also interested in auto trading. Also trying many strategies. Can you share the EA strategy you are working on?
Thanks!
  • #3
  • Oct 22, 2025 10:31am Oct 22, 2025 10:31am
Quoting Hasang
I am also interested in auto trading. Also trying many strategies. Can you share the EA strategy you are working on? Thanks!
Not sure what you mean by EA strategy.
  • #4
  • Oct 22, 2025 11:11am Oct 22, 2025 11:11am
Bots only thrive under a high frequency environment. But they get torched majority of the time because market dynamics are constantly evolving.


Instead of being lazy, here's the secret: Buy bottoms and hold. That's it.
  • #5
  • Oct 22, 2025 9:00pm Oct 22, 2025 9:00pm
Quoting Th3W1z4rd
{quote} Không chắc bạn muốn nói gì về chiến lược EA.
I mean what strategy does your EA work on? What is the logic of the EA?
  • #6
  • Oct 22, 2025 9:03pm Oct 22, 2025 9:03pm
Quant trading is hard. Ive been grinding with a buddy for the better part of 6 months and after many different strats and THOUSANDS of lines of code, I have a Ranker Bot and need to port it from Tradingview(TV) Pinescript to MQL4. THAT is creating some problems because of the Deep coding in TV and MT4 program code. Also its created for CFDs but works at lower (non Ranker Accuracy) for Futures. I need to figure this out xD. Gonna take a bit not gonna lie.
  • #7
  • Oct 24, 2025 4:57am Oct 24, 2025 4:57am
Am getting it hard to automate my strategy even though it's mathematical define feels like the system is not seeing what am seeing manually, use alot of Ai to help me get the logic on code but still thesame any help please..
  • #8
  • Oct 24, 2025 7:25pm Oct 24, 2025 7:25pm
Quoting Pinklips
Am getting it hard to automate my strategy even though it's mathematical define feels like the system is not seeing what am seeing manually, use alot of Ai to help me get the logic on code but still thesame any help please..
The one thing ive noticed while working on EA/Bots and writing code so much is that IF you use AI to help, you HAVE to define things specifically with no subjective-ness because AI cannot understand "SUBJECTIVE" unless its influenced by OBJECTIVE rules. So most of my Phase 1 Testing has been Indicator based in TradingView BEFORE i take it to code, and before i port the code to MQL4 (Yes i still use MT4). The reason i do that is because if i can SEE something in an indicator then i can describe what im seeing to the AI and label whatever i SEE as part of a strategy. (EX: Entry, Exit, Etc...)

EXAMPLE: 5m HFT trading Long when candle closes above 34HMA each new 5m candle = new long + ATR Squeeze Trailing based on speed + NY Killzone (8:30-10am UTC-5). Reverse for Shorts.

Everything in that statement can be SEEN, and CALCULATED, and DEFINED by AI and myself in Tradingview. Each setting can be made for custom inputs and the CSV file from TradingView trade history when backtesting can be put into an LLM AI and calculated so your MT4 terminal isnt thrown off if you prop trade on a different terminal time. After testing in TradingView i convert the code to MQL4 and run it in MT4 and make sure the calculations are executed at the same time at TradingView.....then its all good. But remember that TradingView and MT4 as PROGRAMS are written differently and most of the time wont trade exactly the same.
  • #9
  • Nov 6, 2025 3:10pm Nov 6, 2025 3:10pm
I used to not like automated trading in forex. But it so happened that I have been testing one EA on the Eur/Usd pair for more than 30 days and I am very satisfied.
I wanted to ask you, what is a good profit in percentage per month? What percentage would be ok for you if the bank is not big (2000$ for example)?
  • #10
  • Nov 6, 2025 9:36pm Nov 6, 2025 9:36pm
i think better used copytrade than ea i think hahaha
  • #11
  • Nov 22, 2025 11:48pm Nov 22, 2025 11:48pm
Firstly, you need to find non-repainting indicators that can predict the step of market.

So far trader is still a stable job that can't beat by AI.
yet I believe on one day will have a real AI-based EA that could help to analysis market sentiments and correlation between and among FX, crypto, Stocks.
  • #12
  • Nov 23, 2025 2:38pm Nov 23, 2025 2:38pm
EA's take the human emotion of fear and greed out of trading. They also trade 24/7
I have 3 EA's that all trade differently.
A scalper, mid term and long term.
I tend to re optimize the scalper every 2 to 3 weeks to adjust to market changes.
The hardest part , and for humans as well, is dealing with crap like Trumps Tweets.. Impossible to predict..
Best EA's tend to be price action based as opposed to indicator
Im only here for the Guzzoline...
  • #13
  • Nov 24, 2025 7:50am Nov 24, 2025 7:50am
Been a little busy coding, I'm back now and for the doubters that an EA can be 100% fully automated, I've posted a TE for Bitcoin using limit orders only. Bitcoin market is open 7 days per week so it'll be easier to monitor. By 100% fully automated, I mean just that, set once and forget forever. Even the platform updates are now automated.
  • #14
  • Nov 24, 2025 8:53am Nov 24, 2025 8:53am
Quoting Magiruss
I used to not like automated trading in forex. But it so happened that I have been testing one EA on the Eur/Usd pair for more than 30 days and I am very satisfied. I wanted to ask you, what is a good profit in percentage per month? What percentage would be ok for you if the bank is not big (2000$ for example)?
Any positive amount would be good. Even $1, What matters is consistency, because when you have that then you just adjust the account and lot size.
  • #15
  • Nov 24, 2025 11:05am Nov 24, 2025 11:05am
Quoting phrixusong
Firstly, you need to find non-repainting indicators that can predict the step of market. So far trader is still a stable job that can't beat by AI. yet I believe on one day will have a real AI-based EA that could help to analysis market sentiments and correlation between and among FX, crypto, Stocks.
My EA is not based on AI.
  • #16
  • Dec 1, 2025 7:59am Dec 1, 2025 7:59am
Yes, I believe an EA can outperform a human.
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  • #17
  • Dec 1, 2025 11:38am Dec 1, 2025 11:38am
Well I've tried many EAs, free and paid. 99% of the ones with a beautiful graph are martingale, grid, or a version of them. Of course, even with a good martingale or grid EA you can make profit if you know what they do so you have a MM accordingly. Having said that if you find a non martingale or grid strategy that has over 1 year track record, over at least 300 or 400 trades, and a profit factor of 1.5 or more then you should stick with it.
  • #18
  • Dec 1, 2025 10:25pm Dec 1, 2025 10:25pm
Quoting CipherMindAI
Well I've tried many EAs, free and paid. 99% of the ones with a beautiful graph are martingale, grid, or a version of them. Of course, even with a good martingale or grid EA you can make profit if you know what they do so you have a MM accordingly. Having said that if you find a non martingale or grid strategy that has over 1 year track record, over at least 300 or 400 trades, and a profit factor of 1.5 or more then you should stick with it.
Of course no one is going to sell an EA that performs like this every day. Any commercial product you buy in this space is being sold because the person who built it already knows it has a flaw. Think about it logically. If it actually worked, why would they sell it? Does that make any sense?

They’re selling it because they don’t have integrity. They’re basically just trying to offload whatever they can. Someone who does have integrity, when they see a flaw in their program, they won’t sell it. They’ll set it aside, improve it, or work on something else. They won’t package it up and sell it.

The bottom line is you can’t trust anyone trying to sell you something in this industry. Their goal is to extract as much money from you as possible while giving you the least value they can get away with. My advice is, stop making other people rich by buying their products.

The only system that works is the one you design by yourself, for yourself.
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  • #19
  • Dec 1, 2025 10:26pm Dec 1, 2025 10:26pm
Don’t get me wrong, you’re not the only one buying these products. I have probably spent more money than anyone on this stuff. Senseless EAs, indicators, software, useless tools, you name it. I made the same mistakes many times over and over. I’m just trying to save you some money by saying try not to keep doing that. It’s a trap I think almost all of us fall into at some point.
  • #20
  • Dec 2, 2025 2:13am Dec 2, 2025 2:13am
Quoting Th3W1z4rd
{quote} Of course no one is going to sell an EA that performs like this every day. Any commercial product you buy in this space is being sold because the person who built it already knows it has a flaw. Think about it logically. If it actually worked, why would they sell it? Does that make any sense? They’re selling it because they don’t have integrity. They’re basically just trying to offload whatever they can. Someone who does have integrity, when they see a flaw in their program, they won’t sell it. They’ll set it aside, improve it, or work on...
It's true in many cases but not necessarily cover all EA sellers. Let's look at it this way. Any EA or manual strategy is not 100% accurate. In fact if you find a system with 60% accuracy and 1:1 rr you find the holy grail. Even that system might not perform well in the future, as you know there is a popular saying in trading: Past performance is not indicative of future results. Now if you can sell your EA to many people you not only make money from the EA and probably your future products but you can offer broker and get ib commission and/or vps and probably some other things. Sometimes the other things like ib commission is so better than the EA itself that i've seen some ea sellers give their eas for free (I had such EA that actually made me money) if you register with their ib link. So even with a good EA many prefer to have a low risk business around selling tools and it doesn't mean that they don't have a profitable EA. With all that said the majority of the EAs are either trash or you need to know exactly what they do so that you on and off them in different market conditions and constantly withdraw so that if the EA blows your account you've got your money back plus some profits.
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