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  • #2,081
  • Oct 3, 2025 1:24pm Oct 3, 2025 1:24pm
Quoting Noisy
{quote} Thank you. Yes, that's right. However, I wonder from an investor's point of view how it helps them to know that there is still a 5% chance of losing more than 6.5%, or in case of doubt, 100%. I understand that Darwinex cannot carry out active risk management with so many accounts, whereas someone like a risk manager who works in a hedge fund might have more control over it. Yes, I know that even then there is probably a residual risk that an investor could lose everything, but perhaps that is one of the reasons why Darwinex has apparently...
It's clear you have no understanding of the Darwinex model

There is ZERO percent chance an investor could "lose everything". The risk engine 100% makes that impossible

Also, the only traders who havent attracted capital after 5 years of "profitablility" are those that had a good year or a few months and then made nothing for months and months and months.

Any consistent trader making 2-3% per month who has outperformed the SP500 will attract piles of investor cash.

The problem isnt the Darwinex model. The problem is that 95% or more of the traders cant achieve the goal mentioned above

We go thru this over and over and OVER again.

Find me a trader that has made 2-3% for 18 months and they will be in the range of 1 millon in capital
Pride always comes before destruction.... -Proverbs 16:18
  • #2,082
  • Oct 3, 2025 2:13pm Oct 3, 2025 2:13pm
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  • #2,083
  • Oct 3, 2025 2:59pm Oct 3, 2025 2:59pm
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  • #2,084
  • Edited 3:37pm Oct 3, 2025 3:21pm | Edited 3:37pm
Quoting Expo33
{quote} It's clear you have no understanding of the Darwinex model There is ZERO percent chance an investor could "lose everything". The risk engine 100% makes that impossible Also, the only traders who havent attracted capital after 5 years of "profitablility" are those that had a good year or a few months and then made nothing for months and months and months. Any consistent trader making 2-3% per month who has outperformed the SP500 will attract piles of investor cash. The problem isnt the Darwinex model. The problem is that 95% or more of the...
Maybe a total loss is unlikely but I wouldn’t say it’s not possible to happen. Otherwise please tell me why it shouldn’t be possible? A 95% chance of something not happening isn’t a 100%. There are DARWINs on the platform with well over 80% max. drawdown.

Most traders can’t achieve it. Correct. Right now there is ZERO guarantee that a DARWIN will reach a certain min. AuM after meeting certain milestones. That’s a fact. The question then is why somebody should be willing to spend years of their lives trying to get there (while even paying a monthly fee in case of Darwinex Zero).

Right now there are 10497 DARWINs listed on the Darwinex platform (both classic and zero). From all these DARWINs there are only 18 DARWINs with AuM > 1M (0.17%) and only 3 DARWINS with AuM > 5M (0.03%).

Darwinex was founded in 2012 and the investors platform opened in April 2015. So more than 10 years and yet only 0.17% of DARWINS with AuM > 1M.

The promise of providing profitable traders with significant investor capital is certainly questionable. I don't believe this is solely due to the poor traders. There are far more than the 18 Darwins mentioned with good, consistent performance and track records spanning well over five years. Where are their millions in investor capital?

Don‘t forget you only get paid out a 15% performance fee. While this might be „industry standard“ it won’t help you if want to realize making a living from your DARWIN‘s return. With only 1M in capital making 3% a month you won’t get anywhere.

Say you’re the 0.01% Elite-DARWIN that consistently averages 3% return a month. That’s 36% a year.

1000000*0.36*0.15=54000

54k gross per year as a self-employed trader here, after taxes you will be at 35-40k. Awesome. You will be better off working at McDonald's and probably had to spend less time doing so than if you’re perhaps even a discretionary trader who spends hours every day in front of the charts.

So right now probably 0 DARWIN is able to make a basic living out of all the time/money spent. Not saying nobody will, but yeah please keep me updated once there is one here doing so. Hope I will still be alive by then :-)

To me it seems it’s nothing better than pocket money you get out of Darwinex. Maybe better to save the 38 EUR a month and try to somehow get 280k in a personal account so at least you will be able to make 6 figures a year averaging 36% a year or go the prop firm route.
  • #2,085
  • Oct 3, 2025 3:36pm Oct 3, 2025 3:36pm
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Yes, especially when you strictly follow their rules AND literally EVERY OTHER firm is payong wothout issue.
My days of recommending BGF are over….
these mofo always come up with a unique excuse - what the hell broker is flagging. Is the broker flagging he is too profitable

As i always say no firm can deny my payout based on my trading style…. I dont give any room for BS EXCUSE
Extreme gut feeling trader
  • #2,086
  • Oct 3, 2025 3:54pm Oct 3, 2025 3:54pm
Quoting montygoldy
{quote} My days of recommending BGF are over…. these mofo always come up with a unique excuse - what the hell broker is flagging. Is the broker flagging he is too profitable As i always say no firm can deny my payout based on my trading style…. I dont give any room for BS EXCUSE
Please Monty. You’re posting here every day how you’re basically gambling (excuse me, trading with sound risk management and no gut feeling decisions) trying to „milk“ these discount cheap ass props firms following all their „hot deals/offers“ but then saying they don’t treat you fair? What do you expect?
  • #2,087
  • Oct 3, 2025 4:23pm Oct 3, 2025 4:23pm
Quoting Noisy
{quote} Please Monty. You’re posting here every day how you’re basically gambling (excuse me, trading with sound risk management and no gut feeling decisions) trying to „milk“ these discount cheap ass props firms following all their „hot deals/offers“ but then saying they don’t treat you fair? What do you expect?
When consistently making money, it is already called "trading with sound risk management and no gut feeling decisions" without needing to prove it to anyone.
  • #2,088
  • Oct 3, 2025 5:31pm Oct 3, 2025 5:31pm
Quoting Noisy
{quote} Maybe a total loss is unlikely but I wouldn’t say it’s not possible to happen. Otherwise please tell me why it shouldn’t be possible? A 95% chance of something not happening isn’t a 100%. There are DARWINs on the platform with well over 80% max. drawdown. Most traders can’t achieve it. Correct. Right now there is ZERO guarantee that a DARWIN will reach a certain min. AuM after meeting certain milestones. That’s a fact. The question then is why somebody should be willing to spend years of their lives trying to get there (while even paying...
Sorry TRANdy I don't have time to read your post. Ill just assume it's more nonsense
Pride always comes before destruction.... -Proverbs 16:18
  • #2,089
  • Oct 3, 2025 5:43pm Oct 3, 2025 5:43pm
Quoting Noisy
{quote} Please Monty. You’re posting here every day how you’re basically gambling (excuse me, trading with sound risk management and no gut feeling decisions) trying to „milk“ these discount cheap ass props firms following all their „hot deals/offers“ but then saying they don’t treat you fair? What do you expect?
i expect to get paid if i tick all their payout criteria checkboxes….. btw lets see on monday … i gave them time for interview…..i am pretty sure there wont be any hiccups with interview its just i guess they going to ban me for future purchases….
Extreme gut feeling trader
  • #2,090
  • Oct 3, 2025 5:56pm Oct 3, 2025 5:56pm
Okay, I have limited experience with prop, and only on evaluation, not passed anything, but I have this question

If they have a rule that says: Max positions = 3, why not incorporate that into the software so that no one could / would / should break that "rule"?

Isn't that basic logic?

IDK, maybe I have found the stupid question when people say there are no stupid questions.
It takes a lot for me to IGNORE you, but you can try.
  • #2,091
  • Oct 3, 2025 5:59pm Oct 3, 2025 5:59pm
Quoting montygoldy
Alright Gents BS FROM BLUEGUARDIAN while payout is pending SO the broker is Flagging -- Fixed contract size of 1 mini, Fixed SL and Not risking more than 300$ per trade.. {image} {image}
Interview. There you go. This prop firm will come up with all kind of excuses not having to pay.

I can’t understand why you even consider dealing with so many dubious prop firms. Why don’t you just work with 5ers, FTMO or Topstep? You also wouldn’t need to trade/handle so many different accounts.

Aren’t they providing more than enough capital IF you can actually trade so well, using your 1337 momentum strategy and sticking to their rules?
  • #2,092
  • Oct 3, 2025 6:18pm Oct 3, 2025 6:18pm
Quoting Noisy
{quote} Interview. There you go. This prop firm will come up with all kind of excuses not having to pay. I can’t understand why you even consider dealing with so many dubious prop firms. Why don’t you just work with 5ers, FTMO or Topstep? You also wouldn’t need to trade/handle so many different accounts. Aren’t they providing more than enough capital IF you can actually trade so well, using your 1337 momentum strategy and sticking to their rules?
Sounds logical, one would think that having fewer accounts to juggle allows one to concentrate on trading even better, use the biggest account allowed, he could become the poster boy for the firm, they might even pay him to be in the ads!
It takes a lot for me to IGNORE you, but you can try.
  • #2,093
  • Oct 3, 2025 6:34pm Oct 3, 2025 6:34pm
Quoting Noisy
{quote} Please Monty. You’re posting here every day how you’re basically gambling (excuse me, trading with sound risk management and no gut feeling decisions) trying to „milk“ these discount cheap ass props firms following all their „hot deals/offers“ but then saying they don’t treat you fair? What do you expect?
He's not gambling.....once again, you clearly don't understand HIS business model.....he goes "all-in" with $90, less than someone with a 10K account risks on a single trade. That one trade with a 1.2:1 RR then yields him $2,500 DD to trade with. He can now choose to go aal-in, risk half, whatever to get to a payout.
The bottom line is he is risking far less than the "industry standard of 1% of this trading capital.....Now if he had $90 to his name and that was his entire trading roll.....then he is gambling.
I am not sure why you post here, what you are searching for.....but absolutely nothing seems to satisfy whatever it is you're searching for....it is nothing but negativity and trying to poke holes in every broker, firm, trading system that is discussed here.
You may need to be put in time out.
  • #2,094
  • Oct 3, 2025 6:37pm Oct 3, 2025 6:37pm
Quoting montygoldy
{quote} i expect to get paid if i tick all their payout criteria checkboxes….. btw lets see on monday … i gave them time for interview…..i am pretty sure there wont be any hiccups with interview its just i guess they going to ban me for future purchases….
If you've met all the criteria to receive a payout, they should send it to you without any further questions. Period. Furthermore, there shouldn't be any problems at all with further orders as long as you haven't already exceeded the maximum number of accounts you're allowed to have.

It seems almost strange to me, and in my opinion, there are only these explanations:

- The company is garbage and doesn't stand by its own statements.
- The company can't duplicate your trading style on a live account (as they supposedly offer).

I'd love to see an "interview" like that. Can you send it to me somewhere? It's probably better than any comedy movie on Netflix right now.

One can only hope all these so called full transparent reputable prop firms become regulated or go broke soon.
  • #2,095
  • Oct 3, 2025 6:37pm Oct 3, 2025 6:37pm
Quoting Noisy
{quote} Interview. There you go. This prop firm will come up with all kind of excuses not having to pay. I can’t understand why you even consider dealing with so many dubious prop firms. Why don’t you just work with 5ers, FTMO or Topstep? You also wouldn’t need to trade/handle so many different accounts. Aren’t they providing more than enough capital IF you can actually trade so well, using your 1337 momentum strategy and sticking to their rules?
He pulled 125 FUCKING THOUSAND DOLLARS last month.....don't you think he should be telling us what to do and not vice versa?
  • #2,096
  • Oct 3, 2025 6:38pm Oct 3, 2025 6:38pm
Quoting Noisy
{quote} If you've met all the criteria to receive a payout, they should send it to you without any further questions. Period. Furthermore, there shouldn't be any problems at all with further orders as long as you haven't already exceeded the maximum number of accounts you're allowed to have. It seems almost strange to me, and in my opinion, there are only these explanations: - The company is garbage and doesn't stand by its own statements. - The company can't duplicate your trading style on a live account (as they supposedly offer). I'd love to...
Why would you wish them to go broke......so your fellow traders cannot keep pulling money from them? That's pretty shitty thinking.
We are getting close to you not posting here any longer.
You seem to have a completely different agenda/mindset than the rest of us here.
  • #2,097
  • Oct 3, 2025 6:56pm Oct 3, 2025 6:56pm
Quoting Erebus
Okay, I have limited experience with prop, and only on evaluation, not passed anything, but I have this question If they have a rule that says: Max positions = 3, why not incorporate that into the software so that no one could / would / should break that "rule"? Isn't that basic logic? IDK, maybe I have found the stupid question when people say there are no stupid questions.
Here is a photo of a prop and a trader.
I noticed the sign that says "KEEP AWAY".
Except that the bear never went to school.
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  • #2,098
  • Oct 3, 2025 7:13pm Oct 3, 2025 7:13pm
Quoting Noisy
{quote}One can only hope all these so called full transparent reputable prop firms become regulated or go broke soon.
Turns out your prediction for regulation in early 2025 was wrong but at least your narrative is consistent
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  • #2,099
  • Oct 3, 2025 7:22pm Oct 3, 2025 7:22pm
Quoting Expo33
{quote} Turns out your prediction for regulation in early 2025 was wrong but at least your narrative is consistent {image}
Yes and Tradeovate and Ninja just released platforms SPECIFICALLY for prop firms.....FTMO and the 5%ers are back in the US......seems the industry is actually better than ever. Futures firms are doing great other than a couple of bad apples and the forex space needed some consolidation and removal of the inferior firms.
  • #2,100
  • Oct 3, 2025 7:22pm Oct 3, 2025 7:22pm
Quoting Stoneyrocks
MFF news on the way {image} https://x.com/PropJoshD/status/1974140087794548979
Are you talking about My Forex Funds?
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