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  • #2,041
  • Oct 1, 2025 9:49am Oct 1, 2025 9:49am
Quoting Trader191
{quote} if you do its strict this way, around 20-60 million fund money should be realistic possible. of course all depends how safe is your strategy, is it scalping/daytrading or swingtrading/longterm trading. for scalping/daytrading the scaling possibility would maybe make a cap earlier to 20 million, many have at 21-5 million when performance reduce in percentage. did you trade this strategy in your private accounts too before you used darwinex, so you have allready longer trackrecord / performancechart to use with this trading style?
Darwin 1 and 3 are swing trading, with 1 having more emphasis on forex AND gold, 3 is more forex only. Number 2 is day trading index futures.
The swing trading forex I've done for 10+ years with offshore brokers due to the limitations of being in the US. When forex props came about in 2020, I closed all of those accounts and went strictly with props.
Futures I've only recently started trading (past 2 years), had a small personal account with AMP, now I only trade with the futures props and FTMO since they recently opened back up to USA.
  • #2,042
  • Oct 1, 2025 10:02am Oct 1, 2025 10:02am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Darwin 1 and 3 are swing trading, with 1 having more emphasis on forex AND gold, 3 is more forex only. Number 2 is day trading index futures. The swing trading forex I've done for 10+ years with offshore brokers due to the limitations of being in the US. When forex props came about in 2020, I closed all of those accounts and went strictly with props. Futures I've only recently started trading (past 2 years), had a small personal account with AMP, now I only trade with the futures props and FTMO since they recently opened back up to USA.
you still have your data (downloaded or other reports) with the 10 years off shore brokerage companies? and same stable strategy used?

i can speak with some people from darwinex if you want , so to get an interview for you with them... maybe saves you some years of growing up slow data.
  • #2,043
  • Oct 1, 2025 10:02am Oct 1, 2025 10:02am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Darwin 1 and 3 are swing trading, with 1 having more emphasis on forex AND gold, 3 is more forex only. Number 2 is day trading index futures. The swing trading forex I've done for 10+ years with offshore brokers due to the limitations of being in the US. When forex props came about in 2020, I closed all of those accounts and went strictly with props. Futures I've only recently started trading (past 2 years), had a small personal account with AMP, now I only trade with the futures props and FTMO since they recently opened back up to USA.
Here are some expanded stats on the 3 Darwins, in the same order as presented above......

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Which one would you like to invest in @ Trader191?
  • #2,044
  • Edited 10:24am Oct 1, 2025 10:10am | Edited 10:24am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Here are some expanded stats on the 3 Darwins, in the same order as presented above...... {image} {image} {image} Which one would you like to invest in @ Trader191?
i have around 70% per year in average , so hard to invest in other projects , but because i do scalping /daytrading i cant scale any more and would need to do switch to work extra long with more strategies or more swing / long term trading to hold high win percentage (but in reality i just like to stay at same level and go down in win in percentage over the years and stay same in win in money) ... often diversification in buying some houses each year or index ETF is also good, but also less flexible with houses you dont live in.

my idea was more to give you a more qualified boost inside darwinex, when you can explain them more in detail what you do and how stable you did also before...... i dont know you in person.... you only can decide if this can help you to speak with them.
what i recognized from you, you want it build up like https://www.darwinex.com/invest/THA as your goal?
  • #2,045
  • Oct 1, 2025 11:40am Oct 1, 2025 11:40am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Yes, the guaranteed allocation at 75 holds true. However, your position may change above 75....for example at beginning of September, one of my Darwins only needed 3.9% to get a 235K, as the month moved on that number swelled to over 8%........but the 75 rating will ALWAYS get you the min 30K
Thanks. Well, last week the rating calculator still told me that I would need a 5.2% for a rating of 75 and a 30K Silver Allocation. Right now it tells me I’ll need 4.96%, so already a little less.

For 60K a rating of 85.92 and an expected current month return of 9.44% would be needed which is a 4.77% difference (9.44-4.96).

So the expected return figures seem to vary.

At the moment my DARWIN‘s quote is at 1.34% return with a max. drawdown of -4.05%. It used to be at 3.8% at its highest return run up so far. It’s still a bit up and down.
  • #2,046
  • Oct 1, 2025 11:43am Oct 1, 2025 11:43am
A lot of prop firms have really tough challenges. Some say that if you lose 10% of your account you lose it. Even the best traders in history would have a problem keeping the account. So be careful when using prop firms. Read the guidelines.
  • #2,047
  • Oct 1, 2025 12:35pm Oct 1, 2025 12:35pm
Quoting Bart998
A lot of prop firms have really tough challenges. Some say that if you lose 10% of your account you lose it. Even the best traders in history would have a problem keeping the account. So be careful when using prop firms. Read the guidelines.
Wow, really? Thanks for making us aware.
  • #2,048
  • Oct 1, 2025 12:49pm Oct 1, 2025 12:49pm
I have read in previous thread propfirm hub Pipmaster has pointed out i and like that view, if you have funded account lets say 100K consider only 10% (10k) as yours and apply good money managment on them risk 1% per trade and you never can't lose the account!
  • #2,049
  • Oct 1, 2025 12:52pm Oct 1, 2025 12:52pm
Quoting Noisy
{quote} Thanks. Well, last week the rating calculator still told me that I would need a 5.2% for a rating of 75 and a 30K Silver Allocation. Right now it tells me I’ll need 4.96%, so already a little less. For 60K a rating of 85.92 and an expected current month return of 9.44% would be needed which is a 4.77% difference (9.44-4.96). So the expected return figures seem to vary. At the moment my DARWIN‘s quote is at 1.34% return with a max. drawdown of -4.05%. It used to be at 3.8% at its highest return run up so far. It’s still a bit up and down....
New month, so now you have an additional month of track record, so numbers have changed. As I have stated there are many times I START the month above 75 because the previous months weigh heavily on your score.
My current best Darwin could lose -0.96% this month and I'll still be at 75. I know I keep saying it, but it's worth repeating, if you can consistently average 2% monthly, you will be successful at Darwinex
  • #2,050
  • Oct 1, 2025 2:22pm Oct 1, 2025 2:22pm
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https://www.financemagnates.com/forex/kraken-owned-ninjatrader-jumps-into-prop-trading-with-two-tech-platforms/
  • #2,051
  • Oct 1, 2025 2:31pm Oct 1, 2025 2:31pm
All the prop firms who offer tradovate:

https://prop.tradovate.com/find-a-prop-firm
Drawdown is more important than Account Size !
  • #2,052
  • Oct 2, 2025 2:24am Oct 2, 2025 2:24am
I asked AI this question:
"If a very successful day trader, who only trades EURUSD, gets copied by the prop firm with a large lot size, will that draw the attention of the big players and have those stops and strategies busted?"

AI Answer:
Where It Gets Tricky

  1. Stop hunting is real, but it’s algorithmic and based on liquidity zones—not personal vendettas. If your strategy consistently places stops in obvious areas (e.g., just below recent lows), it can get swept up in institutional liquidity grabs.
  2. If a prop firm copies your trades across many accounts, and those trades cluster around similar stop zones, they might unintentionally contribute to liquidity pools that algos target.
  3. Latency and execution matter more than visibility. If copied trades are delayed or poorly executed, slippage and stop-outs become more likely.

  • #2,053
  • Oct 2, 2025 2:35am Oct 2, 2025 2:35am
Next AI question:
"So that is one big argument against prop, but isn´t it true that Prop is the best protection against "Black Swan" events, where a normal broker account could be wiped out by brokers simply not honouring stops?"

Here´s the answer:
You're absolutely right to bring up Black Swan events—those rare, catastrophic market moves that can obliterate retail accounts in seconds. And yes, prop firms can offer a layer of protection that retail traders often lack.

What Happens in a Black Swan Event

  1. Think of the Swiss Franc shock in 2015, when the SNB suddenly removed its currency peg. EUR/CHF dropped thousands of pips in minutes.
  2. Brokers couldn’t fill stop orders because liquidity vanished. Many traders were left with negative balances, and some brokers themselves went bankrupt.

Why Prop Firms Are Safer

 

  1. No personal liability: If you're trading with a prop firm’s capital, your downside is usually capped at the evaluation fee or monthly subscription. You’re not on the hook for losses beyond that.
  2. Institutional-grade risk management: Prop firms often have better infrastructure, risk controls, and access to deeper liquidity pools than retail brokers.
  3. No margin calls or negative balances: You’re not trading with borrowed money from your own pocket. If the market gaps through your stop, the firm absorbs the loss—not you.

  • #2,054
  • Oct 2, 2025 2:37am Oct 2, 2025 2:37am
And last but not least:
(AI)

Yes, it's true—retail trading accounts in the EU are protected by law against negative balances.
This protection comes from the European Securities and Markets Authority (ESMA), which implemented strict product intervention measures for CFDs (Contracts for Difference) and similar leveraged products. One of the key rules is:
Negative balance protection on a per-account basis
What This Means for You

  1. If you're a retail client trading with a regulated broker in the EU, you cannot lose more than your account balance, even during extreme market volatility.
  2. Your account will be automatically closed out before it goes negative.
  3. This rule applies across all EU member states and is enforced by national regulators.

  • #2,055
  • Oct 2, 2025 2:42am Oct 2, 2025 2:42am
So basically, you can have 100K in the bank, but expose only 5K to your broker account, and trade/risk like you had 100K.
So after the "rare" Black Swan wipeout, you are still alive and well.
My only problem is living in the new half communist Germany, they have the intention to tax day trading out of business. Prop would still be safe.
So muddy waters, business as usual in these craziest times we are all living in.
All the best of success to all.
  • #2,056
  • Oct 2, 2025 2:50am Oct 2, 2025 2:50am
There are hefty discounts on the good prop firms if you go through the Tradovate page
https://prop.tradovate.com/find-a-prop-firm
  • #2,057
  • Oct 2, 2025 3:04am Oct 2, 2025 3:04am
Quoting Verde
There are hefty discounts on the good prop firms if you go through the Tradovate page https://prop.tradovate.com/find-a-prop-firm
It will be good if they ever create a comparison table for price and payout right there on Tradovate website - 1-stop shopping.
It takes a lot for me to IGNORE you, but you can try.
  • #2,058
  • Edited 3:33am Oct 2, 2025 3:18am | Edited 3:33am
Quoting Erebus
{quote} It will be good if they ever create a comparison table for price and payout right there on Tradovate website - 1-stop shopping.
They must be getting referral fees for every visitor who clicks a prop link from their page.

A lot of people won't use Tradovate and prefer TradingView or ProjectX, its probably a promo to induce traders to use Tradovate.
  • #2,059
  • Oct 2, 2025 8:03am Oct 2, 2025 8:03am
It looks like FundedElite is changing the game, guys — they have a 14% maximum loss limit.
  • #2,060
  • Oct 2, 2025 11:11am Oct 2, 2025 11:11am
Quoting MoHoSK
It looks like FundedElite is changing the game, guys — they have a 14% maximum loss limit.
If you are sure you can get payouts from them then avoid them... they do all sorts of BS at time of payout
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