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  • #1,641
  • Sep 17, 2025 8:06pm Sep 17, 2025 8:06pm
Quoting montygoldy
{quote} USe props platform just for open n closing trades .. do your analysis on your preferred platform........ I mean if you're looking for cheap options the mffu 50k core, bgf 50k - 40$ in current deal, aqua futures 50$ for 50k, tradeday 50k for 60bucks etc,.... alot of options out there and all are paying....... Best strategy would be get a payout from cheap options and then reinvest that payout to get more accounts...
Yea thats an option. Its just less hastle with 1.
Cheaper is a factor. I also like the firms that offer 1 or 2 day pass and quicker to get to a payout. Thanks for the list. Ill check them out.
  • #1,642
  • Sep 17, 2025 9:34pm Sep 17, 2025 9:34pm
Quoting montygoldy
{quote} pretty simple..... i dont use any indictors And i follow 3 rules 1. Wheenever there is momentum get in get you 2-3 points on gold good enough...... 2. no DCA or martingale or anything.... Just open 1 trade at a time with sl and tp and sometimes trail tp if momentum is good.... 3. DOnt copy between firms ... Trade each prop firm individually... thats it keeping it simple.... My win rate is 85% plus thats why my risk to reward is 300$ to 200$ which works for me......
Nice rules. Many people do complicated things to predict exact turning points... They don't understand that easy money is coming from momentum.
  • #1,643
  • Edited 6:12am Sep 18, 2025 5:38am | Edited 6:12am
Quoting montygoldy
{quote} pretty simple..... i dont use any indictors And i follow 3 rules 1. Wheenever there is momentum get in get your 2-3 points on gold good enough...... 2. no DCA or martingale or anything.... Just open 1 trade at a time with sl and tp and sometimes trail tp if momentum is good.... 3. DOnt copy between firms ... Trade each prop firm individually... thats it keeping it simple.... My win rate is 85% plus thats why my risk to reward is 300$ to 200$ which works for me......
Momentum can work for and against you and you never know when there will be momentum or not. It doesn’t mean one thing.

An 85% win rate with a $300:$200 risk:reward ratio, over what time and number of orders?

Could you do me a favor and record a screen video for just one week (5 days) showing the orders you place based on your simple momentum rules for a market like, say, the S&P 500 (or whatever you trade) that demonstrates an 85% win rate at the stated risk/reward ratio by the end of the week and at least one trade per day? 5 days is probably the min. trading days of trading activity most future props want to see anyways, so shouldn’t be a problem?

In return, I will transfer the money to you for whatever you want to purchase for the next prop challenge/account.

Start with 25k. A potential scenario over 5 trades (1 per day) with a 85% win rate and 3:2 risk:reward ratio.

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  • #1,644
  • Sep 18, 2025 5:41am Sep 18, 2025 5:41am
Quoting zkchyo
{quote} Nice rules. Many people do complicated things to predict exact turning points... They don't understand that easy money is coming from momentum.
Yep. Sounds all good in theory ;-)
  • #1,645
  • Sep 18, 2025 6:14am Sep 18, 2025 6:14am
Quoting Noisy
{quote} Momentum can work for and against you and you never know when there will be momentum or not. It doesn’t mean one thing. An 85% win rate with a $300:$200 risk/reward ratio, over what time and number of orders? Could you do me a favor and record a screen video for just one week (5 days) showing the orders you place based on your simple momentum rules for a market like, say, the S&P 500 (or whatever you trade) that demonstrates an 85% win rate at the stated risk/reward ratio by the end of the week and at least one trade per day? 5 days is probably...
Bruh!! Man why i need to convince you for anything???? Am i selling anything to you??? ..... All the props stats are there in my older posts... Go checking funding ticks leaderboard it'll show R:R in there as well.....

If you dont believe its alright... Money in the bank what matters.......
Extreme gut feeling trader
  • #1,646
  • Sep 18, 2025 6:52am Sep 18, 2025 6:52am
@Noisy....you are getting a bit absurd. You find something wrong with every firm, every broker, every system.
It almost seems you post here to convince folks why they should not be a trader.
Monty is going to pull 100K from prop firms this month!!!!!! You are questioning his business model???? He simply takes $50-90, which is less than one would risk on a single trade in a personal account and turns it into 10K, 15K, 20K. If that $50-90 is 1% of his trading bankroll.......THIS IS NOT GAMBLING
News Flash: Trading involves risk, there is not one broker, firm or system that is going to guarantee you 100% success.
I posted it a couple of weeks ago, but I'll repeat.....I don't think trading is for you
  • #1,647
  • Sep 18, 2025 7:05am Sep 18, 2025 7:05am
Quoting pipmaster77
@Noisy....you are getting a bit absurd. You find something wrong with every firm, every broker, every system. It almost seems you post here to convince folks why they should not be a trader. Monty is going to pull 100K from prop firms this month!!!!!! You are questioning his business model???? He simply takes $50-90, which is less than one would risk on a single trade in a personal account and turns it into 10K, 15K, 20K. If that $50-90 is 1% of his trading bankroll.......THIS IS NOT GAMBLING News Flash: Trading involves risk, there is not one broker,...
Let's say you have only a 33% win rate as a trader, you are losing money in a personal account. With a prop, you are killing it. Pay $50-90 and it takes you 3 tries to pass and then 1 in 3 once you pass gets to payout. Even in this extreme example where it takes 9 attempts to get a payout, you are at worst 100% ROI and at best 300% (depending on the initial cost of the eval).

Those of us using props as a business have spreadsheets, we know our exact pass rates, our exact funded to payout rates, etc.
I only have a few prop accounts personally to make money in the present and my long term goal is AUM with Darwinex, as this is what suits my personality.
Monty purchases max accounts and goes for max payouts at every firm he joins....this suits his personality.....being banned or denied a payout now and again is simply a cost of doing business....it's as if you had a contracting business and every now and again, someone defaulted and didn't pay you, yeah it sucks, but you have other customers lined up

I'm not sure what some folks are looking for, honestly, but these props are the single best thing that has ever happened for (good) traders and even not so good traders
  • #1,648
  • Sep 18, 2025 7:55am Sep 18, 2025 7:55am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Let's say you have only a 33% win rate as a trader, you are losing money in a personal account. With a prop, you are killing it. Pay $50-90 and it takes you 3 tries to pass and then 1 in 3 once you pass gets to payout. Even in this extreme example where it takes 9 attempts to get a payout, you are at worst 100% ROI and at best 300% (depending on the initial cost of the eval). Those of us using props as a business have spreadsheets, we know our exact pass rates, our exact funded to payout rates, etc. I only have a few prop accounts personally...
Pinpoint accurate as always @pip…..


props are blessing in disguise…. Only people that are against it are the ones who are not nett profitable traders….

You can make easily make 10k-20k or 100k a month without even risking your own capital…..
Extreme gut feeling trader
  • #1,649
  • Sep 18, 2025 7:58am Sep 18, 2025 7:58am
Started this today. Strangely it was only $50, whereas their website states $75.
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  • #1,650
  • Sep 18, 2025 7:59am Sep 18, 2025 7:59am
Quoting rockit
Started this today. Strangely it was only $50, whereas their website states $75.{image}
insane targets 4500 for 1250 dd
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  • #1,651
  • Sep 18, 2025 8:21am Sep 18, 2025 8:21am
Quoting montygoldy
{quote} insane targets 4500 for 1250 dd
It's static DD however; so the buffer increases with the balance to basically any value.
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  • #1,652
  • Sep 18, 2025 8:59am Sep 18, 2025 8:59am
Quoting rockit
{quote} It's static DD however; so the buffer increases with the balance to basically any value.
I agree still but the target is absurd....
Extreme gut feeling trader
  • #1,653
  • Sep 18, 2025 9:11am Sep 18, 2025 9:11am
Quoting montygoldy
{quote} Bruh!! Man why i need to convince you for anything???? Am i selling anything to you??? ..... All the props stats are there in my older posts... Go checking funding ticks leaderboard it'll show R:R in there as well..... If you dont believe its alright... Money in the bank what matters.......
Can you give me the link to this leaderboard?

It's not about what I believe or that you have to prove something to me, but if you're going to throw around numbers like that, you should be able to back them up or just keep quiet. Otherwise, it quickly gives people the impression that are really trying to be serious, that such numbers are realistic.

Yes, anyone can have an 85% win rate with a 3:2 risk:reward ratio, but certainly not long-term over several hundreds/thousands of trades. It's absolute rubbish to claim something like that without proof. I know the internet is unfortunately full of all these gurus who have 70-95% win rates.

The best traders in the world don't have such sustainable win rates, even with the negative risk:return you mention. I don't mean that in a bad way, and I don't give a damn about how much money you make with those props, but at least have the guts to prove it or don't write something like that. Yes, of course a lot of idiots here will press the like button if you make such bold claims, who cares.

I'll go one step further. Show me an 85% win rate at a 3:2 risk:reward ratio over 300 trades, and I'll set up a shrine in my living room to honor you forever and send you a picture of it...

I wouldn't be surprised if some people here even have 200% win rates. Some even make 10-20% returns daily. Oh man...
  • #1,654
  • Sep 18, 2025 9:23am Sep 18, 2025 9:23am
Quoting Noisy
{quote} Can you give me the link to this leaderboard? It's not about what I believe or that you have to prove something to me, but if you're going to throw around numbers like that, you should be able to back them up or just keep quiet. Otherwise, it quickly gives people the impression that are really trying to be serious, that such numbers are realistic. Yes, anyone can have an 85% win rate with a 3:2 risk:reward ratio, but certainly not long-term over several hundreds/thousands of trades. It's absolute rubbish to claim something like that without...
there is a problem with this:
- how to proof to you? a big Company would need to proof any track record / performance chart (or could be any photoshop fake) - and this will cost a lot! will you pay him the money for this and the additional time?
- what he has as advantage for do all this? just additional work without anything to proof, because he dont sell anything and he dont make some claims on youtube or influencer spaces to get klicks
- this numbers you mention are not so difficult to get for most professional traders who trade a long time, nothing unrealistic
  • #1,655
  • Edited 9:53am Sep 18, 2025 9:32am | Edited 9:53am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Let's say you have only a 33% win rate as a trader, you are losing money in a personal account. With a prop, you are killing it. Pay $50-90 and it takes you 3 tries to pass and then 1 in 3 once you pass gets to payout. Even in this extreme example where it takes 9 attempts to get a payout, you are at worst 100% ROI and at best 300% (depending on the initial cost of the eval). Those of us using props as a business have spreadsheets, we know our exact pass rates, our exact funded to payout rates, etc. I only have a few prop accounts personally...
I didn’t say anything about Props or if/how people are making money them them. It’s great if you have spreadsheets.

My comment was simply directed at Monty's claim of an 85% win rate with $300 risk and $200 reward. I would be very happy with that. Monty would probably be hired with open arms by every hedge fund in the world and wouldn't have to worry about props anymore if he could consistently substantiate those numbers...
  • #1,656
  • Sep 18, 2025 9:36am Sep 18, 2025 9:36am
Quoting Trader191
{quote} there is a problem with this: - how to proof to you? a big Company would need to proof any track record / performance chart (or could be any photoshop fake) - and this will cost a lot! will you pay him the money for this and the additional time? - what he has as advantage for do all this? just additional work without anything to proof, because he dont sell anything and he dont make some claims on youtube or influencer spaces to get klicks - this numbers you mention are not so difficult to get for most professional traders who trade a long...
Thats why I asked for a video of him showing his „skills“.

„Not so difficult to get for most professional traders“

Show me one of them please?
  • #1,657
  • Sep 18, 2025 9:39am Sep 18, 2025 9:39am
Quoting Noisy
{quote} Thats why I asked for a video of him showing his „skills“. „Not so difficult to get for most professional traders“ Show me one of them please?
what professional trader will show you his strategy and trades? then you really need to find an idiot to do it or someone with big mindset problems. you really need to learn the theory of trading, dont listen to the beginners who run with their trades around... thats not the way good traders act (dont let you fool by the look like traders on youtube and so on).
  • #1,658
  • Sep 18, 2025 9:54am Sep 18, 2025 9:54am
Quoting Noisy
{quote} I didn’t say anything about Props or if/how people are making money them them. It’s great if you have spreadsheets. My comment was simply directed at Monty's claim of an 85% win rate with $300 risk and $200 loss. I would be very happy with that. Monty would probably be hired with open arms by every hedge fund in the world and wouldn't have to worry about props anymore if he could consistently substantiate those numbers...
You are still not grasping the business model he is running.
First off, he has long made his money back, he is playing with only house money at this point.
Let's say you have a 5K personal account and you risk 1% like everyone tells you to with a 1:1 RR, you risk $50 and you make $50.
Monty takes that $50 and buys an eval and takes one trade, he is still risking $50, if he loses it's still $50, but if he wins, he secures $2,500 DD (on an avg 50K acct)......it is like taking $50 in a personal account with a 1:1 RR but making 5100% ROI.......
Now at this point, I would personally trade that as a $2,500 personal account. However, Monty goes quick, but once again, if he fails to reach payout ...it's $50.
If your trading bankroll is $50, this is not a good method, however, with a fairly minimal capital of $5K, that $50 is 1%....anyone that would blow through 5K risking 1% per transaction SHOULD NOT BE TRADING!!!!!!!!
  • #1,659
  • Sep 18, 2025 9:54am Sep 18, 2025 9:54am
Quoting Noisy
I'll go one step further. Show me an 85% win rate at a 3:2 risk:reward ratio over 300 trades, and I'll set up a shrine in my living room to honor you forever and send you a picture of it...
-No matter what someone shows you, it will never be enough until you realize what is possible for yourself.
  • #1,660
  • Sep 18, 2025 9:57am Sep 18, 2025 9:57am
Quoting Noisy
{quote} Thats why I asked for a video of him showing his „skills“. „Not so difficult to get for most professional traders“ Show me one of them please?
Monty is the most transparent trader on this entire website. If you cannot decipher what and how he is doing this, you need to recheck his posts.
He has nothing to prove to you or anyone else.
He has plenty of $$$ at this point to trade his own account, I'm sure.......but why would he? He's making 20 times more money and taking the same RR trades as he would in a personal account.
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