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  • #1,561
  • Sep 16, 2025 3:48pm Sep 16, 2025 3:48pm
Quoting Satreveritas
{quote} This has been done several times on the forums . But as you say, an updated one may be in order... example: https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/...rop-firms-2025
He is affilate child, i thing for someone like @montygoldy, @pipmaster77 and the rest who have experience in these field with bunch of profirms etc..
  • #1,562
  • Sep 16, 2025 4:42pm Sep 16, 2025 4:42pm
Quoting James-nova
{quote} He is affilate child, i thing for someone like @montygoldy, @pipmaster77 and the rest who have experience in these field with bunch of profirms etc..
I am aware that the link was to a post by a commercial user, that was simply one example of many here on the forums you can look at using the handy search feature.
All the best.
"Wisdom is proved righteous by its works"
  • #1,563
  • Sep 17, 2025 2:10am Sep 17, 2025 2:10am
If anyone is interested:
Bulenox offer a free 14-day demo (Futures) with Rithmic data feed and a Ninjatrader license. Here, I am using Quantower:


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  • #1,564
  • Sep 17, 2025 3:44am Sep 17, 2025 3:44am
Hola Pip, nice thread mate, you must be mad !
  • #1,565
  • Sep 17, 2025 3:46am Sep 17, 2025 3:46am
Anyone used investing.com? Just doing a bit of research on crypto and a challenge offer popped up to tempt my inner degenerative gambler .....
I don't know much about them and suspect they are backed off by some murky sharks in Cyprus?
  • #1,566
  • Sep 17, 2025 4:25am Sep 17, 2025 4:25am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} and at what price tag are you willing to pay for this.....4-5 times the current prices? You are essentially asking a compnay to hand you money.
You prob. guessed it, that wasn't meant entirely seriously, at least not in its entirety. But what I definitely want to avoid is a monthly fee, trailing drawdown, excessive profit target, poor Profit target-to-drawdown-limit ratio, low payout limit. And any kind of fraud.
With real prop firms, the trader makes the money and they split it up between both parties - a win-win. These bucket shops "modern" prop firms only seek to swindle money out of someone. Still, if it works for a trader, it's a smarter way to make money compared to risking substancial own money.
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  • #1,567
  • Edited 8:17am Sep 17, 2025 4:36am | Edited 8:17am
Alright gents A massive update to make my september withdrawals sweeter.....

Last week purchased fresh 50kx6 fundingticks even though i had already funded 50kx6 with 8k drawdown..... SO I intentionally breached them to activate these as their payout cap is 5k per account

In total 6 days --> 3 days evals + Day 3 on funded - Balance sits at 8500$ per account.....

Now i need 3 days of min. 200$ to get that bag 5000$x6 = Massive 30000$ (90% split)...

Also back on leaderboard.....

I bet on my life i cant fumble this bagg now.... that will bring the total to 60K++ NETT after split for this month only, where as as mffu (5k (80% split)), bgf (4050$ (90% split)) and aqua (4500$) also in line next week for payouts......

September gonna be LEGENDARY
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  • #1,568
  • Sep 17, 2025 4:44am Sep 17, 2025 4:44am
What is your position size / risk per trade Monty on 50K account?
  • #1,569
  • Sep 17, 2025 4:49am Sep 17, 2025 4:49am
Quoting MoHoSK
What is your position size / risk per trade Monty on 50K account?
i start with 1-2 minis for the day to pull some profits like 600-800 preferabbly 1k then i increase to 3-4minis, max risk is 1:1 either breakeven or double....

yesterday i tried the same thing i was up like 2200 then closed the day with 300$ loss. After a big loss i.e losing all the profits i just close the day...


Same approach with passing evals use 1-2minis to make 800-1000 and then risk all to either double or lose all the profits for the day... then try agin tomorrow...
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  • #1,570
  • Sep 17, 2025 5:36am Sep 17, 2025 5:36am
Quoting montygoldy
{quote} i start with 1-2 minis for the day to pull some profits like 600-800 preferabbly 1k then i increase to 3-4minis, max risk is 1:1 either breakeven or double.... yesterday i tried the same thing i was up like 2200 then closed the day with 300$ loss. After a big loss i.e losing all the profits i just close the day... Same approach with passing evals use 1-2minis to make 800-1000 and then risk all to either double or lose all the profits for the day... then try agin tomorrow...
Can you trade minis on gold? i trade micros or 1 contract
  • #1,571
  • Sep 17, 2025 5:58am Sep 17, 2025 5:58am
Quoting rockit
{quote} You prob. guessed it, that wasn't meant entirely seriously, at least not in its entirety. But what I definitely want to avoid is a monthly fee, trailing drawdown, excessive profit target, poor Profit target-to-drawdown-limit ratio, low payout limit. And any kind of fraud. With real prop firms, the trader makes the money and they split it up between both parties - a win-win. These bucket shops "modern" prop firms only seek to swindle money out of someone. Still, if it works for a trader, it's a smarter way to make money compared to risking...
For that I use Darwinex....but that is long-term and a completely different animal. You can upload a track record and make a deposit into Darwinex (the broker) or if no track record or you reside in USA, you may use Darwinex zero. The latter does have a monthly fee of $40-45.....but there are no rules as far as trailing DD, consistency, etc, etc.
Of course, the trade off when trading real investor capital is you obviously are not getting 80-90% splits. The standard on real oney is 20%, Darwinex splits that 75/25 in traders favor, so you wind up with 15%.
So you have to make a choice....if you want legitimacy as far as real capital and no conflict of interest it's a much longer process and a much lower split. If you want quick $$$ and a higher split, you deal with the rules, becuase in that model, it is indeed a game, either you(trader) win or they (firm) win.
I suggest, as I do, use both..... I have 3 darwinex accounts,and I use Tradeify and TPT on the futures firm side. I am also going to go with FTMO now that they are available again in the USA ...although not a futures firm, they offer them as futures contracts as opposed to CFDs..... I will only be trading futures with them.
  • #1,572
  • Edited 7:09am Sep 17, 2025 6:27am | Edited 7:09am
Considering Daytraders 50K static plan.
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  • #1,573
  • Sep 17, 2025 6:34am Sep 17, 2025 6:34am
Quoting CableJ
{quote} no consistency rules, no safety net, no payout caps, unlimited time to pass... i think the only plan that can realistically compete on the futures side is STF. If I was starting fresh I would go with... 400K FTMO = 1.7x DD to pass + 2% payout 100K 5ers = 1.5x DD to pass + 2% payout 5 25K take profit = 2x DD to pass & clear payout safety net 5 150K tradify STF = 1.5x DD to payout target 5 150K lucid STF = 1.5x DD to payout target 5 150K Day traders STF = 1.67x DD to payout target
@rockit........Great advice here, I've known CableJ for 10+ years
  • #1,574
  • Sep 17, 2025 6:41am Sep 17, 2025 6:41am
Quoting montygoldy
Same approach with passing evals use 1-2minis to make 800-1000 and then risk all to either double or lose all the profits for the day... then try agin tomorrow...

You're effectively "adding to winners" but with your risk management rather than in individual trades?

I see the logic. A whole lot better than "adding to losers," anyway, which some do?
  • #1,575
  • Sep 17, 2025 6:58am Sep 17, 2025 6:58am
Quoting MoHoSK
{quote} Can you trade minis on gold? i trade micros or 1 contract
yep 1$ move on gold is 100bucks on 1mini..... my usual is 200$ profit 300$ loss and usually i trail profits....if the momentum is strong
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  • #1,576
  • Sep 17, 2025 6:59am Sep 17, 2025 6:59am
Quoting Appreciative
{quote} You're effectively "adding to winners" but with your risk management rather than in individual trades? I see the logic. A whole lot better than "adding to losers," anyway, which some do?
I dont add to trade i always open one single trade at a time....... Instead i risk all the profits made with base hits in a single risky trade....
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  • #1,577
  • Edited 7:45am Sep 17, 2025 7:14am | Edited 7:45am
Quoting rockit
{quote} You prob. guessed it, that wasn't meant entirely seriously, at least not in its entirety. But what I definitely want to avoid is a monthly fee, trailing drawdown, excessive profit target, poor Profit target-to-drawdown-limit ratio, low payout limit. And any kind of fraud. With real prop firms, the trader makes the money and they split it up between both parties - a win-win. These bucket shops "modern" prop firms only seek to swindle money out of someone. Still, if it works for a trader, it's a smarter way to make money compared to risking...
As far as I can see, there isn't a single prop company in the futures or CFD space that offers this kind of freedom. They all have a lot of catches somewhere.

Darwinex is truly the best out there currently, offering the greatest possible freedom, transparency, and reliability as a company. The downside is simply that the time it takes to acquire significant capital there, making a 15% profit payout worthwhile, will take a very long time, and there's no "guarantee" that you'll definitely end up with X amount of capital, despite a good profitable track record you may have built up there over the years.

This represents a considerable additional risk, especially if you trade the Darwinex account manually and may have to invest a lot of time in it. Time is money. In other words, as things stand, you could potentially spend the next 2, 3, 4, or 5 years building a profitable track record with your Darwin, only to find that you still don't have enough capital to achieve your personal goals. Or you might have attracted a few investors with a few million one month, only for them to be gone again after two more months…what you have then? A track record on paper, great, what you do with that?

I recently saw a video where the CEO of Darwinex spoke about this problematic for the first time, explained that Darwinex is growing very slowly. There's too little capital for successful traders there, or in some cases, the high allocations (>5M) are only the case for a few Darwins (despite some having track records of over 5 years). He admitted that there needed to be more capital for more DARWINS and some kind of guarantee that a DARWIN with x results in x time would DEFINITELY receive x min. capital.

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00:58:27 or uh creating or backing a credible Capital promise that says that
00:58:35 provides a definite answer to this you know if somebody if we could say okay if your quote is 117 after X months then
00:58:43 you are guaranteed have at least this much capital and that guarantee would
00:58:48 basically take on our books because it would be our investment in offering a
00:58:53 credible answer to the points so that we would stop the [ __ ] 15% versus 85% or
00:59:00 whatever discussion I me like that way people would know you post this return and that's what you get and the only
00:59:06 complexity in the whole model would be the transition from the trading account to the Darwin that's that's it I mean
00:59:11 and that that's our our end goal has to be to create this ladder that basically says you do this you get that uh right
00:59:19 now it's not like like that because of you know because it's hard to access the outside Market to kind of
00:59:26 validate the cost of outside Capital again I mean we are in the same
00:59:34 position when I go pitch the hedge fund to outside investors then I need to convince them right uh and and and
00:59:39 that's just I don't know how tough it is to convince
00:59:44 them I know it's [ __ ] hard to convince them that's what I mean but every year is in our favor because every
00:59:50 year we have one more year of traffic could back in the best traders in the platform
  • #1,578
  • Sep 17, 2025 8:08am Sep 17, 2025 8:08am
Quoting montygoldy
Alright gents A massive update to make my september withdrawals sweeter..... Last week purchased fresh 50kx6 fundingticks even though i had already funded 50kx6 with 8k drawdown..... SO I intentionally breached them to activate these as their payout cap is 5k per account In total 6 days --> 3 days evals + Day 3 on funded - Balance sits at 8500$ per account..... Now i need 3 days of min. 200$ to get that bag 5000$x6 = Massive...
stop it, you make even me jealous to trade in prop now and i never used any prop because of the indirect costs (but this wins could get in most of the costs ).
Good job
  • #1,579
  • Sep 17, 2025 8:21am Sep 17, 2025 8:21am
Quoting Trader191
{quote} stop it, you make even me jealous to trade in prop now and i never used any prop because of the indirect costs (but this wins could get in most of the costs ). Good job
Exactly bud... if you're nett profitable trader you'll be killing these prop firms and in minimal time frame.......

I mean tradeday 180$ worth of evals resulted in 20K++ nett in total 9days.... Cant even yolo my personal to that much amount in that timeframe....

Now - 600$ worth of fundingticks is ready for massive 30k payout.....

Best part is if you lose you only gonna lose 300-400 $ i.e evals cost but upside so high... i mean insane ROI + minimal TIMEFRAME

ALSO ONCE YOU START PROPS YOU WONT GO BACK TO PERSONAL I BET
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  • #1,580
  • Sep 17, 2025 8:22am Sep 17, 2025 8:22am
I remember people were asking for a deal on fundingticks.. Its on now....
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