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  • #821
  • Aug 17, 2025 2:16am Aug 17, 2025 2:16am
Quoting OutThere
hey yo bloods.. I actually love Darwinex secretly, so don't mind me if I rant about them...
Darwinex stands out to me because, in my view, it often beats traditional prop firms in several key areas. While opinions vary, Darwinex offers a path to scaling an investor-backed account more quickly by leveraging one’s own live trading performance, rather than waiting 4–8 months for allocation. I believe the fastest route to funding is to demonstrate solid results in a live account and align with Darwinex’ model, though I welcome others’ perspectives
first-boss SELL HIGH BUY LOW!!!
  • #822
  • Aug 17, 2025 2:20am Aug 17, 2025 2:20am
Quoting OutThere
{quote} On the subject of broker access, I asked the my broker's point man about this, Can you or any staff open up my account and copy my trades? Answer was, no. The only way we could do anything would be to reverse engineer your trades. Sounds good right? Then I asked about the 'footprint' that an EA leaves behind? Things like name of EA, sl,tp, and all meta data from the info produced by history. Reply: Nothing. What do you think?
i have always thought they have the backend and also access to all trader history and foot print from the backend office
first-boss SELL HIGH BUY LOW!!!
  • #823
  • Aug 17, 2025 2:44am Aug 17, 2025 2:44am
Quoting First-boss
{quote} i have always thought they have the backend and also access to all trader history and foot print from the backend office
ya so if you work in one of these back offices, you are Simon Cowell of the trading talent.
Nice daily job to have. I'd volunteer.

It'd be like 'I know what you did last summer'..heck last hour. all of it and your tools and your instruments and and...
and then I wake up in sweat realising that monsters under the bed might actually exist.
  • #824
  • Aug 17, 2025 6:23am Aug 17, 2025 6:23am
Quoting First-boss
{quote} i have always thought they have the backend and also access to all trader history and foot print from the backend office
Of course your broker has all your trades and all data, without how they do the Business.
but they are not interested in a strategy in general (special not in risky strategies like martingale... ). at maximum they would Overhedging your trades A or C Book if client and risk parameters will go in favor (but that is brokers intern topics and calculation models).
  • #825
  • Aug 17, 2025 6:46am Aug 17, 2025 6:46am
Quoting OutThere
{quote} On the subject of broker access, I asked the my broker's point man about this, Can you or any staff open up my account and copy my trades? Answer was, no. The only way we could do anything would be to reverse engineer your trades. Sounds good right? Then I asked about the 'footprint' that an EA leaves behind? Things like name of EA, sl,tp, and all meta data from the info produced by history. Reply: Nothing. What do you think?
Brokers have access to your trades and trading history. They can monitor your trading activities to some degree. They can view your trading history and tell apart trades that were made manually versus those executed using Expert Advisors (EAs). Plus, they can pinpoint the IP address from which your trading account is accessed.

Should that worry you? No. The broker always makes a profit, whether you use an EA or not. If you're paranoid and want to make sure your broker can't see whether your orders were placed by an EA or manually executed, run your EA on a demo account with another broker and copy the orders from there to your other broker. Make sure the logs/comments don't contain any clues that could indicate orders were placed by an EA.
  • #826
  • Aug 18, 2025 4:23am Aug 18, 2025 4:23am
So what is the „best deal“ right now when it comes to trying out a futures prop that is

- reliable/trustworthy
- simple straightforward rules
- no restrictions in trading styles (automated/manual)
- no hidden BS
- not asking for silly videos (e.g APEX)
- supports MT5 or a platform where orders could be copied to from MT5
  • #827
  • Aug 18, 2025 6:56am Aug 18, 2025 6:56am
Quoting Noisy
So what is the „best deal“ right now when it comes to trying out a futures prop that is - reliable/trustworthy - simple straightforward rules - no restrictions in trading styles (automated/manual) - no hidden BS - not asking for silly videos (e.g APEX) - supports MT5 or a platform where orders could be copied to from MT5
Your list of criteria is hard to come by.
  • #828
  • Aug 18, 2025 7:05am Aug 18, 2025 7:05am
Quoting Noisy
So what is the „best deal“ right now when it comes to trying out a futures prop that is - reliable/trustworthy - simple straightforward rules - no restrictions in trading styles (automated/manual) - no hidden BS - not asking for silly videos (e.g APEX) - supports MT5 or a platform where orders could be copied to from MT5
The 5 I have been mentioning for 2 weeks qualify.
I do not know about automated as I am a manual trader.
You will not find MT5 unless a personal account with amp or Darwinex. However, quantower has excellent copy capabilities.
  • #829
  • Aug 18, 2025 7:13am Aug 18, 2025 7:13am
Quoting failinforex
{quote} Your list of criteria is hard to come by.
Based on my own research, I’ll consider Topstep, MyFundedFutures, FundedTicks and Tradeify to be most suitable for me.

If a futures prop is moving you to a „live“ account, can you reject it and stay within a simulated funded account? What happens if you lose the live account, are you able to keep working with the company or will be banned forever from any offers?
  • #830
  • Aug 18, 2025 7:36am Aug 18, 2025 7:36am
Quoting Noisy
If a futures prop is moving you to a „live“ account, can you reject it and stay within a simulated funded account?

Usually not.

Tradeday gives people a choice to start off with, after passing the evaluation, but even they will eventually move profitable traders to "live", for obvious reasons: they don't want to pay out winning traders for ever, from their own funds.


Quoting Noisy
What happens if you lose the live account, are you able to keep working with the company

Usually yes.

You'll normally just have to "re-qualify".

But note that it may also depend on the reason you lost the account: if it was for something they consider "unacceptable trading", then they all reserve the right to ban people. And they can always invoke that, and/or other things buried in the fine print. There's no "right of appeal" if they do that.

This is why reading the fine print and trying to stick to "good reputation" companies is so important, and why threads like this one have such a valuable role to play.
  • #831
  • Aug 18, 2025 7:49am Aug 18, 2025 7:49am
Quoting SmokyScalper
{quote} Usually not. Tradeday gives people a choice to start off with, after passing the evaluation, but even they will eventually move profitable traders to "live", for obvious reasons: they don't want to pay out winning traders for ever, from their own funds. {quote} Usually yes. You'll normally just have to "re-qualify". But note that it may also depend on the reason you lost the account: if it was for something they consider "unacceptable trading", then they all reserve the right to ban people. And they can always invoke that, and/or other things...
Yes, where the CFD props ban and deny you to get you off of the balance sheet,
The futures props move you to live.
In the CFD world, there has never been to this date ANY live account........
I'll take the live futures account vs. the denied/banned CFD account
It's also one more reason to stay far away from the CFD firms coming to futures as they are going to try to play the same games as they did on the CFD side.....MFFU is the ONLY exception to date.
  • #832
  • Edited 2:45pm Aug 18, 2025 8:28am | Edited 2:45pm
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Yes, where the CFD props ban and deny you to get you off of the balance sheet, The futures props move you to live. In the CFD world, there has never been to this date ANY live account........ I'll take the live futures account vs. the denied/banned CFD account It's also one more reason to stay far away from the CFD firms coming to futures as they are going to try to play the same games as they did on the CFD side.....MFFU is the ONLY exception to date.
Yup, the only execption in the CFD world I know, ATFunded

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  • #833
  • Aug 18, 2025 9:18am Aug 18, 2025 9:18am
Josh was such an integral part of MFF. Yet, he seems untouched and continues to operate in this space. Such an odd thing... perhaps.
  • #834
  • Aug 18, 2025 10:14am Aug 18, 2025 10:14am
Quoting pipmaster77
In the CFD world, there has never been to this date ANY live account...
Perhaps not now(?), but there certainly used to be.

One of my teachers actually had a funded account with FTMO, years ago. At that time, FTMO even used to give their successful challenge-passers a choice of which broker they wanted to use (he chose Purple Forex in Cyprus - it was an FTMO "sub-account" there, of course, but he was still able to discuss his account directly with the broker support staff as well as with FTMO’s).

Lux Trading also used to open genuinely funded CFD accounts (with a broker called Global Prime) until fairly recently. They sent out an email to everyone on their mailing-list announcing that they were no longer doing so and were switching instead to something vaguely worded which I imagine meant that they’re now themselves the counterparty.

Quoting pipmaster77
Yes, where the CFD props ban and deny you to get you off of the balance sheet, The futures props move you to live. In the CFD world, there has never been to this date ANY live account........ I'll take the live futures account vs. the denied/banned CFD account
Exactly. I find it really difficult to understand why people might disagree with this perspective. But some apparently still do!
Victoria Chenevix (philosophy student, mathematical logician, MES trader)
  • #835
  • Aug 18, 2025 10:58am Aug 18, 2025 10:58am
Not sure how long they can last if they go so low. Was thinking of building a buffer, but probably going for max payout now.

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  • #836
  • Aug 18, 2025 12:09pm Aug 18, 2025 12:09pm
Quoting Nsak3y
Josh was such an integral part of MFF. Yet, he seems untouched and continues to operate in this space. Such an odd thing... perhaps.
he has ptsd from mff case, strong will but there is damage
  • #837
  • Aug 18, 2025 2:19pm Aug 18, 2025 2:19pm
Quoting maltrader
Not sure how long they can last if they go so low.
It's the same price as Topstep, then, isn't it? $50 for a $50,000 account? (Topstep have lasted 13 years, so far?)
  • #838
  • Aug 18, 2025 5:50pm Aug 18, 2025 5:50pm
Quoting BrokerChoker
{quote} It's the same price as Topstep, then, isn't it? $50 for a $50,000 account? (Topstep have lasted 13 years, so far?)
But they have a 149 activation fee for XFA once you pass.

I remember futureselite, blue guardian futures and aqua futures did deals like this at the start. But those had tonnes of rules to disqualify payouts. Also, there were some denials to members here.

Anyway, I hope fundingticks survive because their rules are really good for traders (and I have skin in the game; just hope they will continue to payout as well).
  • #839
  • Aug 19, 2025 2:48am Aug 19, 2025 2:48am
Quoting maltrader
Not sure how long they can last if they go so low. Was thinking of building a buffer, but probably going for max payout now. {image}
That 50$ offer is not for a normal 50k account, its for an account with max payout of 1k per payout cycle, compared to 5k for a normal 50k account.
  • #840
  • Aug 19, 2025 3:07am Aug 19, 2025 3:07am
Quoting Takisd
he has ptsd from mff case, strong will but there is damage
-Thanks. What I mean is, it seems that the CFTC obtained an ex parte Statutory Restraining Order, which effectly froze all personal and corporate assets and suspended all business activity, including trading, of both, MFF and Murtuza Kazmi.

Since Josh was head of risk and trading, and as we know, a very integral part of MFF's inner-workings, I find it very strange that Josh seems untouched (from a legal and operational standpoint), and wonder if there may be reasoning why there are no publicly-available filings that Dentrinos himself was personally restrained and/or forced to cease all activities related to trading.

Perhaps someone knows more about it and can shed some light. The fact that he doesn't appear to have wasted much time getting back into the fold also gives me the impression that he may be operating without any concern for retaliatory action levied by the CFTC or other groups. I suspect that, most, in his shoes, would maintain a low profile and keep their head down, but it does not seem that he is overly-concerned about doing that.
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