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  • #81
  • Edited 7:34am Aug 8, 2007 6:35am | Edited 7:34am
Hi iandekoker,

Well I was just trying to show that having a large wallet didn't mean you were goign to have success as Brian Hunter descovered and many other subprime traders of late. More capital is great though, yes it does allow you to lose more often and stay in the game longer than the smaller capitalised trader but I don't believe it should be placed before a trading system. I look at it as a car, the system is its engine and the capital is its oil. You can't get far without the oil but if you it's a sound engine and in top shape you'll get better mileage out of it than a cranky 1900's engine with the same oil. Also you won't get very far without first an engine.

Well if we talking about the really big boys, they do position trades so indicators aren't that much of an issue as mentioned before on this forum, so yes they do get in before the shorter timeframed traders with their indicators because they need them for the shorter timeframes. I don't compete with Lehman Bros. though I just go with the flow, we in separate areas, ones an investment bank and the other is a sole trader.

There's loads of profitable strategies on here for free, why try sell mine?
Besides, this is a thread asking about system vs capital correct?
I just thought I'd share my view on it.

One of mine is just RSI though. Plain and simple, but that's for another day, another thread.

Have a great week iandekoker

*EDIT* iandekoker - I reread your reply to my post and noticed you misread what meant. I wasn't saying "my" system has proven itself, I was saying systems overall. I think my second post clarifys what I meant though. As for holy grails, there aren't any and only the new and unexperienced try seek this Indianna Jones Trader myth. Losses are part of the biz, my system has them but the winners outrun the losses or I wouldn't be here. So on a personal note then, yes, for me, trading system comes first. If we had to put something before all of them it would be discipline though.
  • #82
  • Aug 8, 2007 11:20am Aug 8, 2007 11:20am
Quoting inggscap
Hi iandekoker,

Well I was just trying to show that having a large wallet didn't mean you were goign to have success as Brian Hunter descovered and many other subprime traders of late. More capital is great though, yes it does allow you to lose more often and stay in the game longer than the smaller capitalised trader but I don't believe it should be placed before a trading system. I look at it as a car, the system is its engine and the capital is its oil. You can't get far without the oil but if you it's a sound engine and in top shape you'll get better mileage out of it than a cranky 1900's engine with the same oil. Also you won't get very far without first an engine.

Well if we talking about the really big boys, they do position trades so indicators aren't that much of an issue as mentioned before on this forum, so yes they do get in before the shorter timeframed traders with their indicators because they need them for the shorter timeframes. I don't compete with Lehman Bros. though I just go with the flow, we in separate areas, ones an investment bank and the other is a sole trader.

There's loads of profitable strategies on here for free, why try sell mine?
Besides, this is a thread asking about system vs capital correct?
I just thought I'd share my view on it.

i can confidently say that none of the trading systems on this FF will be successful in the long run. That's why i started this thread. To show how one person comes up with a trading system....but when u read thru the hole thread you will see that he has changed his system 2 or 3 or 4 or more times....version1...version2...version3....i mean come on if a system is so good why do you have to change it all the time?????

One of mine is just RSI though. Plain and simple, but that's for another day, another thread.

Have a great week iandekoker

*EDIT* iandekoker - I reread your reply to my post and noticed you misread what meant. I wasn't saying "my" system has proven itself, I was saying systems overall. I think my second post clarifys what I meant though. As for holy grails, there aren't any and only the new and unexperienced try seek this Indianna Jones Trader myth. Losses are part of the biz, my system has them but the winners outrun the losses or I wouldn't be here. So on a personal note then, yes, for me, trading system comes first. If we had to put something before all of them it would be discipline though.
i still cannot see how losing capital is part of a winning system....but anyway....different strokes for different folks
  • #83
  • Aug 8, 2007 3:46pm Aug 8, 2007 3:46pm
Quoting SeekingLight
My endgame goal is still 5-10% per week eventually. Net. Consistently.
If anybody ever gets to the point where they're making 10% per week, net, consistently, I will offer them $1 million for their system...... and expect them to be insulted by the pittance that I'm offering.

Why? Start with $1,000, compound at 10% weekly, and after just 5 years the account balance is $58 trillion, give or take a couple of hundred billion.

Who said it wasn't possible to become a trillionaire starting with just $1,000?

It's all about percentages.
10% is 10% whether it's $1,000 (and trading micro-lots), or $1,000,000,000,000......

.......and it's all tongue-in-cheek (......but no offense intended).

David
  • #84
  • Aug 8, 2007 4:55pm Aug 8, 2007 4:55pm
Of course it's impossible to make a living from a inadequately funded account, especially as living expenses create an additional form of "drawdown". The smaller the account, then the smaller any gains made, relative to these "fixed" costs.

However, that doesn't alter the fact that FX trading is completely scalable, i.e. 10% is 10%, irrespective of whether one is trading micro-lots, or 100 lot positions; and that gains may be compounded exponentially using fixed fractional sizing (or something similar).

Consequently, whether an account gets blown or not has nothing to do with its size. If newbies blow accounts because they're trying to "get rich too quick", then that's an MM issue, i.e. sizing positions too high percentage-wise, with respect to total capital. If I trade 100 lot positions with an account size of $500,000, then I'm just as likely to blow my account as a guy who's trading minis with an account size of $500, because the percentages are the same. (In fact possibly more so, if I'm unable to cope with the psychological pressure imposed by the higher stakes.)

Starting with a large enough account balance offers no guarantee of success. Success depends on having all of "method", "money" and "mind" sorted out, whatever the level of stakes. Hence I believe that the implication in the original post - that method matters less than starting capital - is totally misleading.

To be fair though, if poor MM is more prevalent among folk trading small size accounts, and brokers are preying on this fact, then the idea has some merit.

Finally, to whatever extent brokers make money by trading against their clients, then surely - everything else being equal - there's more in it for them by focusing on the big fish trading their 10 lot positions, than the minnows who are trading micro-lots.

David
  • #85
  • Aug 8, 2007 5:31pm Aug 8, 2007 5:31pm
Quoting hanover
Of course it's impossible to make a living from a inadequately funded account, especially as living expenses create an additional form of "drawdown". The smaller the account, then the smaller any gains made, relative to these "fixed" costs.

However, that doesn't alter the fact that FX trading is completely scalable, i.e. 10% is 10%, irrespective of whether one is trading micro-lots, or 100 lot positions; and that gains may be compounded exponentially using fixed fractional sizing (or something similar).

Consequently, whether an account gets blown or not has nothing to do with its size. If newbies blow accounts because they're trying to "get rich too quick", then that's an MM issue, i.e. sizing positions too high percentage-wise, with respect to total capital. If I trade 100 lot positions with an account size of $500,000, then I'm just as likely to blow my account as a guy who's trading minis with an account size of $500, because the percentages are the same. (In fact possibly more so, if I'm unable to cope with the psychological pressure imposed by the higher stakes.)

Starting with a large enough account balance offers no guarantee of success. Success depends on having all of "method", "money" and "mind" sorted out, whatever the level of stakes. Hence I believe that the implication in the original post - that method matters less than starting capital - is totally misleading.

To be fair though, if poor MM is more prevalent among folk trading small size accounts, and brokers are preying on this fact, then the idea has some merit.

Finally, to whatever extent brokers make money by trading against their clients, then surely - everything else being equal - there's more in it for them by focusing on the big fish trading their 10 lot positions, than the minnows who are trading micro-lots.

David
Hi Hanover,

You make some valid points,

Yet Bigger Fish don't swim with the market makers with the bigger spreads. They trade with the banks, or Commission Brokers.....Yet stop hunting is stop hunting......this is a very cut throat business, sharks are everywhere....banks will push the B/A just as much as a MM broker.....though the prices are usually 5-6 pips off from true spot.
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  • #86
  • Aug 8, 2007 5:33pm Aug 8, 2007 5:33pm
Quoting iandekoker
.....After about 2-3 months and a lot of questions from a few disciples that decided to follow John Doe's trading system he then modifies his trading system or as he puts it "improve it for better entry positions and/or more pips". So you begin to get a John Doe version 1......and later a version 2...and later a version 3.....and later on everyone is confused.... including John Doe himself.....
Yes, I suspect that given enough time, most of the systems here will prove unprofitable. Most technical systems only work profitably for as long as market conditions remain suitable.

I agree that it's misleading to a newbie, if he/she goes straight to the "Trading Systems" forum, sees all of these hundreds of systems, and assumes "wow, if all of these systems are profitable, then making money from forex trading must be easy". And of course it's very difficult for a newcomer to decide which of these systems he/she should best adopt.

However, in fairness to the developers of these systems, most don't claim that their system is profitable. They are posting them as a proposed starting idea, with a few to getting feedback from more experienced traders, so that aspects of their systems can be improved. Or they may be looking to have an EA developed to back-test their idea. Many of these folk also post on the Journals forum, to gradually build a forward-tested track record, and stimulate further discussion around the live trades that have been made.

David
  • #87
  • Edited 8:18pm Aug 8, 2007 8:07pm | Edited 8:18pm
I agree, you shouldn't try to make a living with less than 50K, they key is to be patient enought to keep your day job, until you build up your account to this level, and if you can't bring it up to this then obviously you don't need to be doing it for a living. Also if you do have 50K look at putting 25k in forex and 25K in another asset class such as futures to diversify risk, and one may provide sufficient volatility to meet your cost of living requirements while the other is flat.
  • #88
  • Aug 9, 2007 4:28am Aug 9, 2007 4:28am
Hi iandekoker,

Obviously in the long run because it's inevitable that a strategy will need to be changed when the market changes. I'm not saying they will always be profitable. As just also mentioned by hanover.

An answer to why they keep changing their strategies from version 1 to version 2 every three seconds is because they new and are eager to post their findings of a possible profitable trading system. Most profitable experienced traders will either not divulge their main bread and butter strategy for obvious reasons and if they ever did want to post a strategy they would've usually been confident enough in that specific strategy because they've done all the tweaks before posting it unlike the newbies. Hence, no more new versions. I have seen simple strategies picked apart by newbies and tried to be made into holy grails but it never works and as you say, by the 56th page this guys strategy looks like someones breakfast because newbies wanted to "tweak" it even more.

As for a strategy that loses money, exactly, I don't see any sense in that at all. The only reason I know that someone will trade a strategy that loses money is because they have enough money to stay in the trade till it becomes profitable again. Then basically there's no strategy, it's buy/sell and hang on till there's some blue pips. A monkey can do that. (Note: I'm not talking about strategies that are profitable position trades as they have to be well timed for entries etc.)

A strategy that risks an acceptable amount of money that is able to be made back with more profit is realistic though.

Hence why I think the system is first and foremost (excluding those mini accounts which are just too small in starting capital to make lunch money).

Have a great weekend guys.
  • #89
  • Aug 9, 2007 5:58am Aug 9, 2007 5:58am
Quoting hanover
If anybody ever gets to the point where they're making 10% per week, net, consistently, I will offer them $1 million for their system...... and expect them to be insulted by the pittance that I'm offering.

Why? Start with $1,000, compound at 10% weekly, and after just 5 years the account balance is $58 trillion, give or take a couple of hundred billion.

Who said it wasn't possible to become a trillionaire starting with just $1,000?

It's all about percentages.
10% is 10% whether it's $1,000 (and trading micro-lots), or $1,000,000,000,000......

.......and it's all tongue-in-cheek (......but no offense intended).

David
I will even better your offer and give them 2 million....lol
  • #90
  • Aug 9, 2007 6:09am Aug 9, 2007 6:09am
Quoting inggscap
Hi iandekoker,

Obviously in the long run because it's inevitable that a strategy will need to be changed when the market changes. I'm not saying they will always be profitable. As just also mentioned by hanover.

An answer to why they keep changing their strategies from version 1 to version 2 every three seconds is because they new and are eager to post their findings of a possible profitable trading system. Most profitable experienced traders will either not divulge their main bread and butter strategy for obvious reasons and if they ever did want to post a strategy they would've usually been confident enough in that specific strategy because they've done all the tweaks before posting it unlike the newbies. Hence, no more new versions. I have seen simple strategies picked apart by newbies and tried to be made into holy grails but it never works and as you say, by the 56th page this guys strategy looks like someones breakfast because newbies wanted to "tweak" it even more.

As for a strategy that loses money, exactly, I don't see any sense in that at all. The only reason I know that someone will trade a strategy that loses money is because they have enough money to stay in the trade till it becomes profitable again. Then basically there's no strategy, it's buy/sell and hang on till there's some blue pips. A monkey can do that. (Note: I'm not talking about strategies that are profitable position trades as they have to be well timed for entries etc.)

A strategy that risks an acceptable amount of money that is able to be made back with more profit is realistic though.

Hence why I think the system is first and foremost (excluding those mini accounts which are just too small in starting capital to make lunch money).

Have a great weekend guys.
I have read the Fozzy, TEB, Vegas, Mouteki, Cornflower, Bagovino, Tlatomi, Igrok, Sidus, BAT systems and they all lack the same thing. The signal only seems to appears after the market has moved 40-100 pips. Now in my opinion that is a lot of pips to loose out on. AND the times they give good signals are when the currency is in a strong trend. But anyone drawing a trendline could have done the same. And be in the pips sooner.

But that is just my opinion....
  • #91
  • Aug 11, 2007 1:15am Aug 11, 2007 1:15am
Quoting iandekoker
I have read the Fozzy, TEB, Vegas, Mouteki, Cornflower, Bagovino, Tlatomi, Igrok, Sidus, BAT systems and they all lack the same thing. The signal only seems to appears after the market has moved 40-100 pips. Now in my opinion that is a lot of pips to loose out on. AND the times they give good signals are when the currency is in a strong trend. But anyone drawing a trendline could have done the same. And be in the pips sooner. But that is just my opinion....
Good point.

I haven't studied all of these systems, but every indicator-based trend following system will always enter late, because technical indicators inherently lag. Chart patterns (e.g. trendline breaks) tend to lag less, and candle patterns ("price action") lag least of all, because they summarize movement in a lower timeframe. Projections like S/R, Fibos and pivot points that point to possible future reversals are the only leading technical indicators.

Whatever technical method we use, we must ultimately enter on a price bar, and we can curve fit indicators to allow earlier or later entry, both of which carry their own set of different risks. It ultimately becomes a compromise between win size and win rate.

David
  • #92
  • Aug 11, 2007 3:37am Aug 11, 2007 3:37am
Quoting hanover
If anybody ever gets to the point where they're making 10% per week, net, consistently, I will offer them $1 million for their system...... and expect them to be insulted by the pittance that I'm offering.

Why? Start with $1,000, compound at 10% weekly, and after just 5 years the account balance is $58 trillion, give or take a couple of hundred billion.

Who said it wasn't possible to become a trillionaire starting with just $1,000?

It's all about percentages.
10% is 10% whether it's $1,000 (and trading micro-lots), or $1,000,000,000,000......

.......and it's all tongue-in-cheek (......but no offense intended).

David
I would pay 10 million dollar for a system that makes a guaranteed 1 pip a day.
Trading for a living!
  • #93
  • Aug 11, 2007 4:18am Aug 11, 2007 4:18am
Quoting fxreport
I would pay 10 million dollar for a system that makes a guaranteed 1 pip a day.
Fxreport,

You cut that check, Bank certified, and I will guarantee you 10-15 pips each and evey day, hell I'll trade your account for you, no worries on your part, go live your life....I'm assuming since you have 10 mil to pay, you'll have the capital in your account also. I'll trade you 10 lots ( 1 mil usd ).......You'll never see a loss on a day, I'll cover any loss.....what do you say???
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  • #94
  • Aug 11, 2007 4:44am Aug 11, 2007 4:44am
ian im sorry to say but ur generalizing when u really dont know the rest of it

do a search on my name and check out my system(matter of fact dont coz ur gonna think im advertising how good is it or somethin)
my system is a modified version of a big futures system by great traders. i just introduced it to traders because its simple. im able to enter with a max 15-20 pip stop on the majors and a guaranteed 30-40 pips at least if the signal works out. hit rate is very high when everything is straight from the book.
the past 2 months ive entered within 10 pips of bottoms and tops on so many occasions when i combine it with smaller timeframes.
experience is everything and watching charts. no matter how good ur system is if u havent watched charts for at least 2 years and lost money and tried hundreds of demos then nothing will make u money. with my experience now i can trade like my first few months of trading and make money.

as for account size its not as important as u think. ive taken 1$ to 3 digits and now its smooth sailing. that was just for fun.real account too. my actual account is doing great and it started with 150$. that was the last time i had to add money a whiiiiiiiilllllle back i had 0$ and all i wanted to risk was 150.

its true many people think they can make a living with 3 digits and thats not true. but if u watch charts practice and do all that then ull grow it to a size big enough where u can make a living out of it.
unless its summer, forex is nothin but a silly part time thing i do for fun during university.

im not sure whats bothering u with systems and being modified. my system was never modified by me. maybe very very very small changes like the settings. others modify it to their own version or whatever. ive seen many systems that are making good money and lots of good traders. changing a system is just making it better and i fail to see whats wrong with that.

maybe whats bothering u is the fact theres a pattern with these systems. they show up modified owner dissapears then some more show up. so what? this whole world is a pattern. remember 95% dont make it so dont worry about saving newbies. on my thread theres a guy who keeps blowing account after the other trading a mini lot with 500:1 leverage and 40$ in his account. so many people told him what to do to save himself from sellin his parents he still wont listen. others wont too.

take the pin bar on its own can make u almost a guaranteed amount of pips depending on teh timeframe.

theres more to indicators than waiting for the stochastics to cross or the rsi to cross 50. just coz theyr laggin doesnt mean we cant still take advantage of them.
  • #95
  • Aug 12, 2007 8:07am Aug 12, 2007 8:07am
Quoting boxingislife
ian im sorry to say but ur generalizing when u really dont know the rest of it

do a search on my name and check out my system(matter of fact dont coz ur gonna think im advertising how good is it or somethin)
my system is a modified version of a big futures system by great traders. i just introduced it to traders because its simple. im able to enter with a max 15-20 pip stop on the majors and a guaranteed 30-40 pips at least if the signal works out. hit rate is very high when everything is straight from the book.

I hope u dont place 15-20 pip stop on gbp/jpy cause u will be taken out 8/10 times....

the past 2 months ive entered within 10 pips of bottoms and tops on so many occasions when i combine it with smaller timeframes.

well the last two months was ONE BIG uptrend....that i can tell you without using any trading system...

experience is everything and watching charts. no matter how good ur system is if u havent watched charts for at least 2 years and lost money and tried hundreds of demos then nothing will make u money. with my experience now i can trade like my first few months of trading and make money.

hhhmmmm....still not sure how experience can tell you what the market is doing....but i guess u have a method to enter and exit trades...

as for account size its not as important as u think.

Ok we will agree to disagree on this point.....

ive taken 1$ to 3 digits and now its smooth sailing. that was just for fun.real account too. my actual account is doing great and it started with 150$. that was the last time i had to add money a whiiiiiiiilllllle back i had 0$ and all i wanted to risk was 150.

ok i am not even gonna make a comment here....lol

its true many people think they can make a living with 3 digits and thats not true. but if u watch charts practice and do all that then ull grow it to a size big enough where u can make a living out of it.
unless its summer, forex is nothin but a silly part time thing i do for fun during university.

im not sure whats bothering u with systems and being modified.

What bothers me about systems is the fact that they DO NOT WORK

my system was never modified by me. maybe very very very small changes like the settings. others modify it to their own version or whatever. ive seen many systems that are making good money and lots of good traders.

show me one system that makes good money

changing a system is just making it better and i fail to see whats wrong with that.

maybe whats bothering u is the fact theres a pattern with these systems. they show up modified owner dissapears then some more show up. so what? this whole world is a pattern. remember 95% dont make it so dont worry about saving newbies. on my thread theres a guy who keeps blowing account after the other trading a mini lot with 500:1 leverage and 40$ in his account. so many people told him what to do to save himself from sellin his parents he still wont listen. others wont too.

take the pin bar on its own can make u almost a guaranteed amount of pips depending on teh timeframe.

ok now here we are talking the same language...lol

theres more to indicators than waiting for the stochastics to cross or the rsi to cross 50. just coz theyr laggin doesnt mean we cant still take advantage of them.
if you say so
  • #96
  • Aug 12, 2007 9:48am Aug 12, 2007 9:48am
ok so u make no money trading forex

ur pissed off coz every system u tried doesnt work and u lost money

and u believe that nobody makes money trading forex

dude please

in my thread i told everybody to short usdcad when it was at 1.17 and target at least 1.10. hmmmm its at 1.05 nowadays? guess that makes a couple hundred pips of profit. read my thread about 30-40 pages back and ull see the post.

tryin to be funny in ur reply might bring a few laughs but well thats just about it really.

so u dont think experience has got anything to do with trading? wow dude seriously uve only been in the market for like 2 months i can almost bet money on that.

i dont expect u to believe that i make money in this market but in the end im the one laughing all the way to the bank and obviously ur not

seems like u like the pinbar. james16 is amazing and i will be joining him very very soon. but i guess since u think theres no system that makes money then the systems that james16 and his people teach in ur opinion dont make money either? we all know aside from price action and high probability trades he teaches a system or two i think. im not sure really. go to www.james16group.com and read the testimonials. a guy made 2200 pips in 1 month trading knife and vegas. i believe those are 2 systems and when i join ill find out about them.
basically there are systems that work
and im done wasting my free time.

ps: i dont use a 15-20 pip stop on gbpjpy especially when i said 15-20 for the majors.
  • #97
  • Aug 12, 2007 12:37pm Aug 12, 2007 12:37pm
Quoting FxJarhead
Fxreport,

You cut that check, Bank certified, and I will guarantee you 10-15 pips each and evey day, hell I'll trade your account for you, no worries on your part, go live your life....I'm assuming since you have 10 mil to pay, you'll have the capital in your account also. I'll trade you 10 lots ( 1 mil usd ).......You'll never see a loss on a day, I'll cover any loss.....what do you say???
Hi fxreport,

I think I sold myself short.....could I have that 10 million in Euro's please!!
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  • #98
  • Aug 13, 2007 3:18am Aug 13, 2007 3:18am
Quoting boxingislife
ok so u make no money trading forex

i am not sure if u message was directed at me....but dont worry i reach my targets trading forex.....i make more pips in a month that u wud in 4 months...so dont worry about me...

ur pissed off coz every system u tried doesnt work and u lost money

No i have never tried any "system".....but i am sure u have lots of experience....

and u believe that nobody makes money trading forex

dude please

in my thread i told everybody to short usdcad when it was at 1.17 and target at least 1.10. hmmmm its at 1.05 nowadays? guess that makes a couple hundred pips of profit. read my thread about 30-40 pages back and ull see the post.

wow ur a smart one....maybe james16 should join ur teaching system....

tryin to be funny in ur reply might bring a few laughs but well thats just about it really.

so u dont think experience has got anything to do with trading? wow dude seriously uve only been in the market for like 2 months i can almost bet money on that.

how much u wanna bet....u got $50 000 to back up ur big mouth? If not dont waste my time....

i dont expect u to believe that i make money in this market but in the end im the one laughing all the way to the bank and obviously ur not

dude everyone on here is making money......even if it is just in their dreams...but i havent found a mini account holder to post me his statements....i wonder why???

seems like u like the pinbar. james16 is amazing and i will be joining him very very soon. but i guess since u think theres no system that makes money then the systems that james16 and his people teach in ur opinion dont make money either? we all know aside from price action and high probability trades he teaches a system or two i think.

im not sure really.
this pretty much sums up ur trading...doesn't it....lol


go to www.james16group.com and read the testimonials. a guy made 2200 pips in 1 month trading knife and vegas.

he only made 2200 pips a month...does that impress u??? Dude i already make more than 2200 this month and today is only the 13th....but u are one big trader....be careful what u write cause it exposes ur ignorance and lack of trading experience as well as the whole "I-make-lots-of-money-on-forex"...

i believe those are 2 systems and when i join ill find out about them.
basically there are systems that work
and im done wasting my free time.

yes spend the rest of ur free time joining a forum where people teach u how to loose money...cause if ur arent thinking for urself then some other dipshit is...

ps: i dont use a 15-20 pip stop on gbpjpy especially when i said 15-20 for the majors.
oh another smart ass thinking he can make millions trading forex.....ok off u go to join james16.....cause u need it...since with ALL ur experience u still need someone to show u the ropes.....hhhhh....maybe i should register as a broker and get all you ignorant people on this forum to open an account with me...man there is lots of money to be made from people like you....
  • #99
  • Aug 13, 2007 3:30am Aug 13, 2007 3:30am
now here is a good analogy for you....

after Tiger Woods shot a round of 63 on saterday....i wud say it is easy to do what tiger did....all u need is a Nike driver and a decent swing (trading system).....a good caddy to help u read the greens (indicators) and a $10 to join Tiger's webswite in which he will teach u how to shoot 63 with only playing with ur 9 iron (mini account)......

pretty easy hey....

yeah if only golf was as easy as forex
  • #100
  • Aug 13, 2007 5:52am Aug 13, 2007 5:52am
all i gotta say is if u make more than 2200 pips then man thats awesome
i wish i can make that much but i dont. but hey someone making more than 2200 pips like urself spending time on a forex forum now thats gotta be one boring life ur living especially when ur not here to help like most people and just tryin to pick arguments

trust me i dont need to show u my statement nor does anybody else. my usdcad call is enough to show the potential profit of one single trade. u wanted proof a system works? well i gave u proof.
its really sad all ur doing is trying to be a funny smartass with ur wannabe smooth reply lines

"he only made 2200 pips a month...does that impress u??? Dude i already make more than 2200 this month and today is only the 13th"

of course im impressed. but im more impressed in ur 2200 pips in 13 days minus a few days of weekends. man u must have picked every top and bottom on every pair
loooooooooooooooooool go buy that ferrari and drive around pick up some women coz if im making 2200 pips id do just that. i wouldnt come here and try to make fun of people
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