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  • #581
  • Aug 11, 2025 7:32am Aug 11, 2025 7:32am
Quoting Noisy
{quote} What exactly is easier about that? If you can double 1k, you can double 10k. The math is the same: you need a 100% return. What you're saying is putting less capital in an account and trading it more aggressively based on extreme leverage instead of using less leverage and more capital. Of course, it's always good to have to tie up less capital, but at what price can you achieve consistently high profits with small accounts? With extreme leverage, you run a much higher risk of constantly ruining your accounts before you've even made ANY...
It would probably look something like this. Trading 7MYM/MES on a 6K max loss Tradeify account.
June, July and August (so far)

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  • #582
  • Edited 8:09am Aug 11, 2025 7:38am | Edited 8:09am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} It would probably look something like this. Trading 7MYM/MES on a 6K max loss Tradeify account. June, July and August (so far) {image} {image} {image}
I am excluding Darwinex from the bucket shop. Pip is doing it slow and steady. For many of us it is a boring proposition, but I complement Pip for staying with it and succeeding.
  • #583
  • Aug 11, 2025 7:55am Aug 11, 2025 7:55am
Quoting driven18
{quote} I am excluding Darwinex from bucket shop. Pip is doing it slow and steady. For many of us it is a boring proposition, but I complement Pip staying with it and succeeding.
Yes, darwinex is long term. For current, there are several, 4-5 for sure, futures props, that have NEVER denied a payout. It is all about due-dilligence......kind of the purpose of this thread.
Everyone must understand, the experiments MOnty takes on with the un proven, cheap evals is part of his business plan. He has been playing with house money for well over a year.
If you are new, in futures props, go with Tradeify, MFFU, Topstep, Take profit Trader, I also now believe Tradeday to be a good option.
Stay away from the forex gone futures firms, they scammed in forex, leopard does not change it's spots. Matt at MFFU is the ONLY exception to this rule so far.
  • #584
  • Aug 11, 2025 7:59am Aug 11, 2025 7:59am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Yes, darwinex is long term. For current, there are several, 4-5 for sure, futures props, that have NEVER denied a payout. It is all about due-dilligence......kind of the purpose of this thread. Everyone must understand, the experiments MOnty takes on with the un proven, cheap evals is part of his business plan. He has been playing with house money for well over a year. If you are new, in futures props, go with Tradeify, MFFU, Topstep, Take profit Trader, I also now believe Tradeday to be a good option. Stay away from the forex gone futures...
How about a verified list on the first post?
I would not imagine it being too big / long
  • #585
  • Aug 11, 2025 8:15am Aug 11, 2025 8:15am
Quoting VeliVeliGood
{quote} I agree with you, this is some serious BS. Definition, or at least how I have understood is in the name, TICK. not several ticsk as is the question in your case. I see they flagged 4 trades if my calculations are correct - the top 3 trades from your photo + the 5th one (they amount to 917,04) and the dfference is your entry price and close price for those trades are between 2 and 3,1 points. Thats not tick scalping in my book, however I now see that they havent used that word in the letter, rather they say "exploiting the sim environment"....
2$ move in gold is equivalent to atleast 15-20 points on nq… these mofo ‘s .. so i have responded to the email with strategy and screenshot coz its the same and also opened a ticket on discord as well…
Extreme gut feeling trader
  • #586
  • Aug 11, 2025 8:20am Aug 11, 2025 8:20am
Quoting montygoldy
{quote} 2$ move in gold is equivalent to atleast 15-20 points on nq… these mofo ‘s .. so i have responded to the email with strategy and screenshot coz its the same and also opened a ticket on discord as well…
Monty(the naked guy), just accept this crap as part of the "technique" you are trading. This crap are your expenses. Took me awhile to understand what you are doling, but once I understood, I see it as very valid way to gaming the bucket shops who are gaming thousands of traders. GL!
  • #587
  • Aug 11, 2025 8:35am Aug 11, 2025 8:35am
Quoting Cryptosurf
{quote} I wasn't boasting about trying to flip accounts, etc. A 10K account held for margin with 5 MNQ's ($500 margin used). There will be bad days but thats enough to stay in the game. There's several here who can extract more then $2k a day on a regular basis. Driven is one of them. But he, like myself has been trading futures (indicies) for a long time. Every day these indices give away money and capturing it is not that difficult. There's a rhythm to them. I only trade after the 9:30 open. Theres a reason why: {image} Typically between 9:45...
Thanks for the chart but all it shows is price movement.

Price certainly doesn't make x minimum movement at the same time(s) every day, which you can then "simply" turn into profits.

I can also mark these points in retrospect for a single day where price moved a certain distance but that still doesn’t make me a consistently profitable trader.

So you enter the market with 5 contracts (all-in) every day at the right time and in the right direction and make $500 or $2,000 in profit (depending on the movement) without ever being stopped out?

Just for the next 5 days, could you post a chart with your orders placed BEFORE price moved and with your entries, stops and targets? I would love to see how you’re going to extract another 150, 200 or even just a 10 Points for the next days.
  • #588
  • Aug 11, 2025 8:53am Aug 11, 2025 8:53am
Quoting nonibadsha
{quote} How about a verified list on the first post? I would not imagine it being too big / long
That's a great idea. I can handle the futures firms and then based on user feedback we can add/subtract.
Forex, I will need some help, as I've been out of that game for a few years now.
  • #589
  • Aug 11, 2025 8:57am Aug 11, 2025 8:57am
Quoting Noisy
{quote} Thanks for the chart but all it shows is price movement. Price certainly doesn't make x minimum movement at the same time(s) every day, which you can then "simply" turn into profits. I can also mark these points in retrospect for a single day where price moved a certain distance but that still doesn’t make me a consistently profitable trader. So you enter the market with 5 contracts (all-in) every day at the right time and in the right direction and make $500 or $2,000 in profit (depending on the movement) without ever being stopped out?...
Like I said, I don't trade every day. There's always days that will be stuck in a tight range and may not be as profitable. Go back and look for yourself what the daily range is between the 9:30 open and market close. Majority of days there will be at least a 100pt range. Volatility lately has seen some 500+ point days as well.
Trade with confidence, trade without fear.
  • #590
  • Aug 11, 2025 9:16am Aug 11, 2025 9:16am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} That's a great idea. I can handle the futures firms and then based on user feedback we can add/subtract. Forex, I will need some help, as I've been out of that game for a few years now.
I can kick off the forex list for you with Axi. Can not vouch for any others as its the only one I trade with, never tried anyone else. Don't like the deliberate BS, trip you up rules.

I've traded with them for about 2 years. Get paid every month on time, every time, no excuses.
  • #591
  • Aug 11, 2025 9:36am Aug 11, 2025 9:36am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} That's a great idea. I can handle the futures firms and then based on user feedback we can add/subtract. Forex, I will need some help, as I've been out of that game for a few years now.

You asked me to post here, pipmaster:

I have a question to you for Darwinex Zero. In the past you posted that instead of "monthly allocation" you adjusted 3 month payment intervals one month after each other - so you will get paid monthly. How did you do that? Do I need to contact support - or is there any way to do that?
  • #592
  • Aug 11, 2025 9:46am Aug 11, 2025 9:46am
Quoting driven18
{quote} Monty(the naked guy), just accept this crap as part of the "technique" you are trading. This crap are your expenses. Took me awhile to understand what you are doling, but once I understood, I see it as very valid way to gaming the bucket shops who are gaming thousands of traders. GL!
call it gaming or whatever... i call it pulling profits fair n square and check mating these firms with their own rules,,,,,,
Extreme gut feeling trader
  • #593
  • Aug 11, 2025 9:50am Aug 11, 2025 9:50am
Also a suggestion for @pip to add these BS firms and put them on a pin list somewhere so everyone be aware of it....
Extreme gut feeling trader
  • #594
  • Aug 11, 2025 9:50am Aug 11, 2025 9:50am
Quoting Noisy
{quote} Thanks for the chart but all it shows is price movement. Price certainly doesn't make x minimum movement at the same time(s) every day, which you can then "simply" turn into profits. I can also mark these points in retrospect for a single day where price moved a certain distance but that still doesn’t make me a consistently profitable trader. So you enter the market with 5 contracts (all-in) every day at the right time and in the right direction and make $500 or $2,000 in profit (depending on the movement) without ever being stopped out?...
You are never going to learn trading this way.
Why would someone want show their entries. Completely useless information for you.
on a postive roll...
  • #595
  • Aug 11, 2025 9:53am Aug 11, 2025 9:53am
Quoting montygoldy
Also a suggestion for @pip to add these BS firms and put them on a pin list somewhere so everyone be aware of it....
Yes, we will compile a list of good and bad firms and I will attach it to first post of this thread.
  • #596
  • Aug 11, 2025 9:57am Aug 11, 2025 9:57am
Quoting Rmg
{quote} You are never going to learn trading this way. Why would someone want show their entries. Completely useless information for you.
Noisy(a good guy) just likes to make allot of Noise....but let me show it to him..here you go, DOW Futures 5 Min TF +160 points, personal account.
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  • #597
  • Aug 11, 2025 10:10am Aug 11, 2025 10:10am
Quoting driven18
{quote} Noisy(a good guy) just likes to make allot of Noise....but let me show it to him..here you go, DOW Futures 5 Min TF +160 points, personal account. {image}
And this is an average day for you.
Trade with confidence, trade without fear.
  • #598
  • Aug 11, 2025 10:13am Aug 11, 2025 10:13am
Quoting Noisy
{quote} Thanks for the chart but all it shows is price movement. Price certainly doesn't make x minimum movement at the same time(s) every day, which you can then "simply" turn into profits. I can also mark these points in retrospect for a single day where price moved a certain distance but that still doesn’t make me a consistently profitable trader. So you enter the market with 5 contracts (all-in) every day at the right time and in the right direction and make $500 or $2,000 in profit (depending on the movement) without ever being stopped out?...
without an verified longterm performancechart you will never know if someone is a winner or a loser, never trust any word by this.
but this was not the topic, for sure cryptosurf and driven can be big winners or big losers, nobody knows, words say total nothing .... but same time it is not interesting.

what was important that cryptosurf did add the part with the risk to the win 2000 USD/day with this very small (for the win !) 10.000 USD account idea , and so he did. so if he fails with this big or is successful dont matter so much , he dont sell anything (after this it starts to matter of course ).

always think like a trader, think in probabilities! when 99% of all daytraders lose money and from rest 1% 90% earn less than standard worker income ... so you calculate with this number on anyone (until you know a verfied longterm performancechart on big broker and bigger account) if you are a trader and use probabilities or you have to live with the risk!
  • #599
  • Edited 11:28am Aug 11, 2025 10:23am | Edited 11:28am
Quoting driven18
{quote} Noisy(a good guy) just likes to make allot of Noise....but let me show it to him..here you go, DOW Futures 5 Min TF +160 points, personal account. {image}
I think I just took the same exact trade using the pricebob method....+$250 in Tradeify and Take Profit Trader. I'll look up entry and exit in a moment.


44216 down to 44113, actually made $350 on this trade, forgot I blew $100 on gold earlier.
same exit, you got in earlier.
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  • #600
  • Aug 11, 2025 10:26am Aug 11, 2025 10:26am
Quoting Cryptosurf
{quote} Like I said, I don't trade every day. There's always days that will be stuck in a tight range and may not be as profitable. Go back and look for yourself what the daily range is between the 9:30 open and market close. Majority of days there will be at least a 100pt range. Volatility lately has seen some 500+ point days as well.
MNQ Average daily range for the last 10 days is about 320 Points.

It still doesn’t explain how to extract a certain number of points in profit from it every day (or just for the days you’re trading it).
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