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  • #341
  • Jul 31, 2025 7:37am Jul 31, 2025 7:37am
Quoting OutThere
{quote} It's alright. I've already done 9 of 14 days in the slammer and it's month end now and next Monday is a bank holiday, so things will be slow-ish. I'm not in that much of a hurry. I'll just let the account go trough the natural flow of it for the experience. I might even switch strategy for the hell of it. Working on this baby now. {image}
Well its not about time. Its all about trial. Imagine you gone to stage Pro M and now you have only one chance left. Right now it doesn't impact but I am sure once you progress it will.
  • #342
  • Jul 31, 2025 7:58am Jul 31, 2025 7:58am
Quoting CableJ
{quote} I did it this morning (EST) so there is no way it's not still close to accurate... as of 7:05am est... Goat last 90d 89 1 star / 285 total last 90d = 31.2% 1 star Aqua 28 / 114 = 24.6% Funded trading plus 7 / 67 = 10.4% Sway funded 1 / 3 = 33.3% (not much to go on)
Ok, they're the last 90 days.

Makes sense, thank you.
  • #343
  • Jul 31, 2025 7:59am Jul 31, 2025 7:59am
Quoting CableJ
its weird seeing josh talk on X about finding new sustainable models. I thought MFF supposedly figured out a way to monetize their user's data right before the CFTC shutdown.... back in July/Aug 2023 I remember Josh hyping up in discord that MFF would soon be able to pay their unprofitable traders.
They were most likely lying.
  • #344
  • Jul 31, 2025 8:24am Jul 31, 2025 8:24am
Quoting CableJ
update... {image} {image} almost all of the cfd props that have moved to the futures space have issues with their predictable shenanigan's. TPT has also surged to the top since the removal of daily limits + 40% discount with no activation promotion.
Well, topstep having 15% 1 star reviews is interesting. It's very rare to hear about payout issues with them so am wondering what all these people are complaining about.
  • #345
  • Jul 31, 2025 9:00am Jul 31, 2025 9:00am
Quoting Inception12
topstep having 15% 1 star reviews is interesting. It's very rare to hear about payout issues with them so am wondering what all these people are complaining about.

I haven’t looked in any detail but most of the negative stuff I ever hear about Topstep relates to their lack of online chat support. I won't try them, because of that.

They’re certainly not famous for “payout problems”.

They now offer only the Topstepx platform for all new sign-ups and re-sets (renewals without a re-set can still be Tradovate, though).


Quoting Takisd
{quote} why are so many staff gone from 4 months ago?

Was that perhaps when they bought Oanda? They sent some existing staff off to various parts of Oanda (including Malta), when they bought that broker.

I know they sent out a “recruitment” letter to Computer Science tutors at various UK universities wanting English-speaking graduate employees willing to relocate to Prague. I know someone who now works there. He was told both at his interview and when he started work there that their in-house staff in Prague has expanded by 20% over the last few months.

This is the total sum of my limited knowledge of the subject of FTMO, so it’s over to you, now!
  • #346
  • Jul 31, 2025 9:03am Jul 31, 2025 9:03am
Quoting PropDude1234
{quote}They were most likely lying.
they weren't, their testing results was in the public documentation.
  • #347
  • Jul 31, 2025 9:44am Jul 31, 2025 9:44am
Quoting Takisd
{quote} they weren't, their testing results was in the public documentation.
Which documentation?

Given large brokers (with full deposits) can't manage to monitise CFD data to put themselves in a theoretical position to quote, 'pay unprofitable traders'. I doubt a CFD prop which had to go to a third party to try and correctly setup groups / manage their risk would be the one to crack it.

In theory there could be some broker-type hedging / net exposure limits that are actioned i.e. you have 100k lots long on gold vs 10k short on your 'live' side so you want to take some longs in the underlying to hedge / anticipate regression.

The idea you're going to make so much money you can pay losers due to monetising a large volume of simulated trading is fanciful and probably made up of the classic "well if we reverse the positions of our traders we'll be winners"...
  • #348
  • Jul 31, 2025 10:31am Jul 31, 2025 10:31am
Quoting PropDude1234
{quote}Which documentation? Given large brokers (with full deposits) can't manage to monitise CFD data to put themselves in a theoretical position to quote, 'pay unprofitable traders'. I doubt a CFD prop which had to go to a third party to try and correctly setup groups / manage their risk would be the one to crack it. In theory there could be some broker-type hedging / net exposure limits that are actioned i.e. you have 100k lots long on gold vs 10k short on your 'live' side so you want to take some longs in the underlying to hedge / anticipate...
In the public record there are communications and spread sheets with the iSAM. To not expose their work to everyone you can search the public record for them if it is still available someone is hosting somewhere i am sure. They were utilizing spread capture models. The return represented was around 20% of payouts.

Paying unprofitable traders who create profitable flow is not unheard of but at such a scale - best only for marketing practice. Most companies are greedy. ICMarkets order matching could do the same and reduce trader commission as reward but they dont do this because money tastes nice
  • #349
  • Jul 31, 2025 10:37am Jul 31, 2025 10:37am
Quoting PropDude1234
{quote}Which documentation? Given large brokers (with full deposits) can't manage to monitise CFD data to put themselves in a theoretical position to quote, 'pay unprofitable traders'. I doubt a CFD prop which had to go to a third party to try and correctly setup groups / manage their risk would be the one to crack it. In theory there could be some broker-type hedging / net exposure limits that are actioned i.e. you have 100k lots long on gold vs 10k short on your 'live' side so you want to take some longs in the underlying to hedge / anticipate...
I will add since i did some work in this specific problem, you can't net hedge prop flow. Only way to utilize prop flow in the market will be to change the flow entirely based on behavioral analysis in sub groups.

Example: EURUSD traders 90% lose 5 pips before netting negative 1/2 spread. Hedge at 5 pips. (A very loose example i saw in one small prop). As the book will grow strategy has to change always and then battle with liquidity providers for fills
  • #350
  • Jul 31, 2025 10:44am Jul 31, 2025 10:44am
Some BS day for me...

1. Passed Alpha 100kx3 in a day and same day hit DLL on the funded
2. Bgf 50kx3 - Funded hit the DLL there as well.
3. AQua 50kx1 Funded - 200$ and 50kx2 evals 1k each. Hoping to pass one eval today in asian session.
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  • #351
  • Jul 31, 2025 10:50am Jul 31, 2025 10:50am
Quoting montygoldy
Some BS day for me... 1. Passed Alpha 100kx3 in a day and same day hit DLL on the funded 2. Bgf 50kx3 - Funded hit the DLL there as well. 3. AQua 50kx1 Funded - 200$ and 50kx2 evals 1k each. Hoping to pass one eval today in asian session. {image} {image} {image}
does it become tiresome to constant pass new accounts all the time? Last time i bought 3 accounts and passing them give me a headache so i just revert to the ones i had pass before.
  • #352
  • Jul 31, 2025 11:07am Jul 31, 2025 11:07am
Quoting Takisd
{quote} does it become tiresome to constant pass new accounts all the time? Last time i bought 3 accounts and passing them give me a headache so i just revert to the ones i had pass before.
Depends how you treat it ... I always speed run the evals so either my way or highway......

Even in the speed run i have come up with two strategies which for this year have made sure I pass one out of two tries on average....
Whereas on funded this year specifically i am 90+% averaging atleast 1 payout.....

Passing strategies - Works great for me not a guarantee it'll work for you...

1. For 50k where target is 3k. Use 1 mini to scalp till 1k and they risk 1k to 1k with max contracts. So if it works then low risk to get over the hump if it fails then you at breakeven close the monitor and try again tomorrow.
2. WHen its a trending a day i purchase evals and hold a single trade to pass evals like today gold was trending long so picked up evals and with a single trade mostly covered all the target.

What i have realised in no point of going slow on evals instead spend time on funded accounts....

Risk management on funded -

1. Speed run for first 2 days to make 70-80% of target then slow n steady to get over the hump.... Thats how i achieved futureselit 7500$ payout within 6days from evals to payout
Extreme gut feeling trader
  • #353
  • Jul 31, 2025 11:09am Jul 31, 2025 11:09am
Quoting Takisd
{quote} does it become tiresome to constant pass new accounts all the time? Last time i bought 3 accounts and passing them give me a headache so i just revert to the ones i had pass before.
Navk made claims of constant winnings and got ostracized for not proving it with a te. What makes you immune from the same treatment?
I think I have been tru this with you before without getting any result. I guess we will just have to believe you without question.
  • #354
  • Jul 31, 2025 11:13am Jul 31, 2025 11:13am
Quoting OutThere
{quote} Navk made claims of constant winnings and got ostracized for not proving it with a te. What makes you immune from the same treatment? I think I have been tru this with you before without getting any result. I guess we will just have to believe you without question.
Navk is an attention seeking troll.

Taskid clearly has some very well placed sources and is highly knowledgeable.

May be worth considering someone's contributions holistically.
  • #355
  • Jul 31, 2025 11:16am Jul 31, 2025 11:16am
Quoting OutThere
{quote} Navk made claims of constant winnings and got ostracized for not proving it with a te. What makes you immune from the same treatment? I think I have been tru this with you before without getting any result. I guess we will just have to believe you without question.
you haven't but it would have ended with me telling you to fuck off because of your snot nose attitude. I have failed around 50 challenges. I am not always trading a prop account as now i am not i have 1 5ers funded and 2 ftmo. 2 unfailed unpassed challenges, funderpro and e8 that i sporadically am trading tariff vibes with and not doing well (headache).

I can post you a dna sample too if you like just leave your postal address
  • #356
  • Jul 31, 2025 11:41am Jul 31, 2025 11:41am
Quoting PropDude1234
{quote}Navk is an attention seeking troll. Taskid clearly has some very well placed sources and is highly knowledgeable. May be worth considering someone's contributions holistically.
I haven't taken notice of any useful contributions.
  • #357
  • Jul 31, 2025 11:43am Jul 31, 2025 11:43am
Quoting Takisd
{quote} you haven't but it would have ended with me telling you to fuck off because of your snot nose attitude. I have failed around 50 challenges. I am not always trading a prop account as now i am not i have 1 5ers funded and 2 ftmo. 2 unfailed unpassed challenges, funderpro and e8 that i sporadically am trading tariff vibes with and not doing well (headache). I can post you a dna sample too if you like just leave your postal address
Don't worry, you already gave me the f off attitude before. You just don't remember it. Navk would be smart to copy and post your reply above to present to his detractors.
Just forget it.
  • #358
  • Edited 12:29pm Jul 31, 2025 12:02pm | Edited 12:29pm
Quoting PropDude1234
{quote}Navk is an attention seeking troll. Taskid clearly has some very well placed sources and is highly knowledgeable. May be worth considering someone's contributions holistically.
couldn’t agree more
that is why we ended up in this thread 2.0
  • #359
  • Jul 31, 2025 12:21pm Jul 31, 2025 12:21pm
Quoting Stoneyrocks
{quote} you know how many people work in the Prague office ?
didnt tell us about the NDA's after payout and removal as well as all the 1% restrictions like my accounts. but lets ignore this because of an advertisement for positions.
  • #360
  • Jul 31, 2025 12:23pm Jul 31, 2025 12:23pm
Are there any CFD prop-firm funding companies that actually open funded accounts, through an independent broker (I‘m not asking about broker-owned ones like Oanda or Axi-Select), for people who’ve passed evaluations?

Someone here must know? (Maybe Takisd?).

I know that FTMO and Lux Trading both used to do this, years ago, but no longer do so now. But are there any that actually do? Real, verifiable, funded accounts with a named broker which is neither owning nor owned by the prop firm?

Thanks in advance, if anyone knows!
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