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  • #461
  • Jun 23, 2025 2:12am Jun 23, 2025 2:12am
Dear Master SwngMan,

I few queries and hope you can clarify them regarding trade signal readings.

I’m planning to execute trades on the D1 timeframe, and I’ve been closely studying the trend and trade panels.
Example 1 – XAUUSD (Gold)

  1. The top-left trend label shows all three timeframes (W1, D1, H4) are short.
  2. Current price from the Data Window: 3358.89
  3. The top-right Trade Signal Info panel shows:
    UAUUSD UTF
    SELL STOP: 3363.00
    Stop Loss: 3340.54
    Break Even: 3362.80

    I think the above signal is from the MTF indicator.

Here’s where I’m confused:

  1. A Sell Stop is typically placed below the current price to trigger a sell when price falls. But here, the Sell Stop is 3363, which is above the current price (3358.89).
  2. I can understand if we’re waiting for price to go up to 3363 and then trigger a Sell Limit , that would make sense because Sell Limits are placed above the current price. But calling it a Sell Stop is what’s confusing me.
  3. Also, the Stop Loss shown is 3340.54, which is below both the current price and the entry. In a Sell trade, the Stop Loss is usually above the entry. The level 3340.54 looks more like a Take Profit, not a Stop Loss.

Example 2 – USOIL (H1 chart)

  1. The Trend Panel shows H4, H1, and M15 are all short. I also checked D1, which is also short.
  2. Current price from the Data Window: 75.998
  3. The top-right Trade Signal Info panel shows:
    BUY STOP: 76.513
    Stop Loss: 75.638
    Break Even: 76.533

Again, I’m a bit confused:

  1. A Buy Stop should be placed above the current price to trigger a buy when price rises — and in this case, 76.513 is above 75.998, so that part is okay.
  2. However, since all higher and lower timeframes are short, it seems contradictory to suggest a Buy Stop.
  3. If this were meant to be a Buy Limit, the level 76.513 would need to be below the current price , which it is not. So I'm unsure whether the label is correct or if the logic behind the suggestion is misaligned with the current trend.

I’m quite sure I’m misinterpreting something and would really appreciate any explanation that could help me better understand how to read and act on these signals and have also atatched an image for BUYSTOP/SELLSTOP vs BUY LIMIT/SELL LIMIT from this STOP Order Vs Limit Order

Apologies if I’m posting too frequently , it feels like I might be the only one currently studying this wonderful system .

Also, I’ll admit I’m probably what you would call a "lazy trader"

I encourage other silent readers to join in, asking questions and sharing experiences helps everyone learn.

Best

EN

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  • #462
  • Jun 25, 2025 8:09am Jun 25, 2025 8:09am
Quoting ENoris
Post #461... I few queries and hope you can clarify them regarding trade signal readings.

The information in the top left corner comes from the earlier versions.
It might be best to ignore it, as it doesn’t always align with the trading recommendations in the top right corner. At some point, I’ll revise the indicators and make corrections.


Everything is fine in the oil chart:

  1. The info in the top left corner is valid for the current price.

  1. The blue arrow corresponds to the calculated price when the MA-Close crosses the MA-Open upward (Close for Crossing UP = 76.293).
    When the price reached this value, the information in the top right corner was displayed.

  1. The price went on to reach a high of 76.298 before falling.

  • #463
  • Jun 25, 2025 9:09am Jun 25, 2025 9:09am
Hello Everyone,

As mentioned in my previous posts, I don’t have much coding experience, so I’ve been working with Excel to better understand the concepts Master George has shared, specifically regarding the Predicted Close and Predicted Cross of 5 LWMA (Open/Close).

I’ve created an Excel spreadsheet to help me better grasp these concepts, and I’m sharing it with all of you as a small contribution. I believe it will be helpful to anyone trying to better understand the Predicted Close and Predicted Cross concepts, which are crucial to the strategy Master George has mentioned.

The attached Excel file contains the formulas I’ve been working with. In addition, I’ve also created a PDF guide that explains the formulas in detail. This guide is designed to provide a clear understanding of the calculations and their purpose in the strategy.

I hope this helps others who might be in the same position I was, trying to get a better grasp of these important concepts.

Please feel free to reach out if you have any questions or suggestions for improvement. I’m constantly refining my understanding, and I appreciate the support and insights from this community.

You can download the Excel file and the PDF guide I have attached. (Requirement: Office 365)

I truly hope this thread becomes active and similar to few other threads, where members contribute and share their insights. This will not only benefit us as learners but also allow Master George to continue enhancing the tools for all of us.

Looking forward to learning more from all of you, especially Master George. Thanks for your patience and support.

Best

EN
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  • #464
  • Jun 26, 2025 7:03am Jun 26, 2025 7:03am
Dear Master SwingMan, Fellow Traders/ Coders and Silent Readers,

I’d appreciate it if you could take a look and confirm whether my logic for drawing the rectangles makes sense, especially from the perspective of how SwingMan’s boxes or zones are generally interpreted.

Rectangle Drawing Logic Summary:
I calculate a LWMA (Linear Weighted Moving Average) for both the Close and Open prices, using a defined period (e.g., 5).
For each bar, I compare the current LWMA values and the previous LWMA values:

Bullish Crossover:
Condition:
Previous LWMA Close < LWMA Open (bearish candle)
Current LWMA Close > LWMA Open (bullish candle)
Action:
Draw a Light Blue rectangle
Time range: from previous bar to current bar
Price range:
Top = current LWMA Close
Bottom = lowest low between current and previous candles

Bearish Crossover:
Condition:
Previous LWMA Close > LWMA Open (bullish candle)
Current LWMA Close < LWMA Open (bearish candle)
Action: Draw an Orange rectangle
Time range: from previous bar to current bar
Price range:
Bottom = current LWMA Close
Top = highest high between current and previous candles

The purpose of these rectangles is to visually highlight a shift in price sentiment, especially areas where the market transitions from bearish to bullish (or vice versa).

Could you kindly review this logic and let me know if it aligns with your understanding of reversal zone drawing or if any improvements are recommended?

Best regards

EN
  • #465
  • Jun 26, 2025 8:08pm Jun 26, 2025 8:08pm
Dear Master SwingMan and oher Silent Memebrs,

Please see the attached H4 CHF/JPY chart.
--I’ve disabled the ChartBackground for HTF and instead added a second instance of smGoldenCrossTrend (MA period 30) on the H4 to show the D1 LWMA
--On the left panel, H1, H4, and D1 are all signaling long, yet the top right box shows:
SELL STOP = 179.972
STOP LOSS = 180.725
BREAKEVEN = 179.952

-- I’ve included the Data Window values in the Chart
-- I’m a bit confused by the apparent contradiction. Could someone explain the logic behind these Sell Stop, Stop-Loss and Breakeven levels?
Any clarification would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.
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  • #466
  • Edited 7:20am Jun 27, 2025 2:05am | Edited 7:20am
Quoting ENoris
...I’m a bit confused by the apparent contradiction. Could someone explain the logic behind these Sell Stop, Stop-Loss and Breakeven levels?
The overall trend is long.

The idea of GoldenCross is to predict the close value at which the local trend (MA(5)) will be short (Close value for Closing DOWN = 180.184).
HalfRange is 212.

Subtracting this value from the predicted close is (Entry Price = SellStop: 180.184 - 0.212 = 179.972).
BreakEven is 20 ticks below the Entry Price = 179.972 - 20 = 179.952.

A bit more complicated and not documented:
StopLoss is the minimum of (EntryPrice - 2*ChannelRange) and Max(High[0], High[1]) + 20 ticks = 180.705 + 20 = 180.725.
  • #467
  • Jun 27, 2025 5:46am Jun 27, 2025 5:46am
Quoting SwingMan
{quote} The overall trend is long. The idea of GoldenCross is to predict the close value at which the local trend (MA(5)) will be short (Close value for Closing DOWN = 280.184). HalfRange is 212. Subtracting this value from the predicted close is (Entry Price = SellStop: 280.184 - 0.212 = 179.972). BreakEven is 20 ticks below the Entry Price = 179.972 - 20 = 179.952. A bit more complicated and not documented: StopLoss is the minimum of (EntryPrice - 2*ChannelRange) and Max(High[0], High[1]) + 20 ticks = 180.705 + 20 = 180.725.

Extremely thankful to you Master for taking time to reply, I am really starting to grasp the concept.

I did notice what looks like a small typo
Quote
Entry Price = SellStop: 280.184
It should read:
Quote
Entry Price = SellStop: 180.184

Since then, I’ve applied your logic to two additional charts and confirmed the correct values for
Sell-stop / Buy-stop entry levels
Stop-loss levels
Break-even points

Below I have detailed my step by step reasoning (using the values directly from the data window in each chart).

I hope this helps clarify the process for others as well:

Core Inputs
PredictedCloseDN (P₋): "Close for Crossing DOWN" (for Sell-Stop)
PredictedCloseUP (P₊): "Price for Crossing UP" (for Buy-Stop)
ChannelRange: raw channel width in points (from Indicator Window)
HalfRange (H): ChannelRange ÷ 2, then × Point-size
TickBuffer (TB): 20 ticks × Point-size
High[0], High[1]: two most recent bar highs (for Sell Stop SL rule)
Low[0], Low[1]: two most recent bar lows (for Buy Stop SL rule)

Point-size per pair:
CHF/JPY: 0.001 JPY
ETH/USD: 1 USD
AUD/NZD: 0.00001 NZD

Entry Trigger
Sell-Stop (when MA(5) flips bearish):
Entry = (P₋) - H
Buy-Stop (when MA(5) flips bullish):
Entry = P₊ + H
3. Protective Stop-Loss Rule

Volatility-based cushion
Sell side: SL₁ = Entry + 2×(ChannelRange×Point)
Buy side: SL₁ = Entry - 2×(ChannelRange×Point)

Technical buffer
Sell side: SL₂ = max(High[0],High[1]) + TB
Buy side: SL₂ = channel median ("MiddleUP") from Data Window

Final Stop-Loss:
Sell: SL = min(SL₁, SL₂)
Buy: SL = max(SL₁, SL₂) or simply SL₂ if indicated

Breakeven
Lock in zero risk once entry moves by TB:
Sell: Breakeven = Entry - TB
Buy: Breakeven = Entry + TB

Quick Reference Formulas
Sell-Stop
Entry (Sell) = P₋ - H
SL₁ = Entry + 2×H
SL₂ = max(High[0],High[1]) + TB
Stop-Loss (Sell) = min(SL₁, SL₂)
Breakeven (Sell) = Entry - TB

Buy-Stop
Entry (Buy) = P₊ + H
SL₁ = Entry - 2×H
SL₂ = MiddleUP
Stop-Loss (Buy) = max(SL₁, SL₂) (or simply SL₂ if specified)
Breakeven (Buy) = Entry + TB


Examples with Actual Values

1) CHF/JPY H4 (Sell-Stop)
P₋ = 180.184
ChannelRange = 423 pts → H = 212 pts = 0.212 JPY
High[0] = 180.705
High[1] = 180.266
TB = 20×0.001 = 0.020 JPY
Entry = 180.184 − 0.212 = 179.972
SL₁ = 179.972 + 2×0.212 = 180.396
SL₂ = max(180.705,180.266) + 0.020 = 180.725
Stop-Loss = min(180.396,180.725) = 180.396
Breakeven = 179.972 − 0.020 = 179.952

2) ETH/USD H1 (Sell-Stop)
P₋ = 2445.92
ChannelRange = 16.60 USD → H = 8.30 USD
High[0] = 2453.83
High[1] = 2463.14
TB = 20×1 = 20 USD
Entry = 2445.92 − 8.30 = 2437.62
SL₁ = 2437.62 + 2×8.30 = 2454.22
SL₂ = max(2453.83,2463.14) + 20 = 2483.14
Stop-Loss = min(2454.22,2483.14) = 2454.22
Breakeven = 2437.62 − 20 = 2417.62

3) AUD/NZD H1 (Buy-Stop)
P₊ = 1.07907
Entry = 1.07959 → H = 0.00052 NZD
MiddleUP = 1.07846
Low[0] = 1.07910
Low[1] = 1.07855
TB = 20×0.00001 = 0.00020 NZD
Entry = 1.07907 + 0.00052 = 1.07959
SL₁ = 1.07959 − 2×0.00052 = 1.07855
SL₂ = MiddleUP = 1.07846
Stop-Loss = max(1.07855,1.07846) = 1.07855
Breakeven = 1.07959 + 0.00020 = 1.07979

I am trying to gain and understand as much as I can from the information you have shared.

Thanks again Master for these wonderful tools.

Best
EN
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  • #468
  • Jun 27, 2025 10:13am Jun 27, 2025 10:13am
Quoting SwingMan
{quote} The overall trend is long. The idea of GoldenCross is to predict the close value at which the local trend (MA(5)) will be short (Close value for Closing DOWN = 180.184). HalfRange is 212. Subtracting this value from the predicted close is (Entry Price = SellStop: 180.184 - 0.212 = 179.972). BreakEven is 20 ticks below the Entry Price = 179.972 - 20 = 179.952. A bit more complicated and not documented: StopLoss is the minimum of (EntryPrice - 2*ChannelRange) and Max(High[0], High[1]) + 20 ticks = 180.705 + 20 = 180.725.
Hi @ENoris, great contributions!

Could you share with me the indicator you are currently using for golden cross? The one with the color on the trend chart and the panel on the top left? I've been looking for it and I haven't found that one exactly, I'd really appreciate it.

By the way, great job @SwingMan, I'm still reading a lot of the system and I find it fantastic, you are a genius
  • #469
  • Edited 11:14am Jun 27, 2025 10:36am | Edited 11:14am
Quoting fream1
{quote} Hi @ENoris, great contributions! Could you share with me the indicator you are currently using for golden cross? The one with the color on the trend chart and the panel on the top left? I've been looking for it and I haven't found that one exactly, I'd really appreciate it. By the way, great job @SwingMan, I'm still reading a lot of the system and I find it fantastic, you are a genius
Thanks @Fream1, for visiting the thread.

I’m just a beginner myself and still trying to fully understand the system, but I’ll do my best to help.

It sounds like you're referring to the smGoldenCross Trend 2.2 indicator. To get the view you're looking for, with the trend color background and the info panel in the top left follow these steps:

  1. Load the indicator smGoldenCross Trend 2.2 on a new chart.
  2. In the indicator settings, make sure to set the following:

    1. Draw_LastCloseForecasting = true
    2. Show_Comments = true
    3. Show_InfoPanel = true


I’ve attached a screenshot to help guide you.

The best advice I can give is to experiment with the indicator settings. Playing around with them , it will really help you understand what each setting in the indicator does, and you'll learn a lot in the process.

Best
EN

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  • #470
  • Jun 27, 2025 2:11pm Jun 27, 2025 2:11pm
Tell me if I am wrong, the panel on the top left marks trends which are often not consistent with what the color of the chart shows nor with the signal sent by the indicator, tell me if I should not observe this panel more and simply orient myself with what the signals tell me and/or with what the color of the chart tells me.

I appreciate any comments, it would be very helpful.
  • #471
  • Jun 27, 2025 3:49pm Jun 27, 2025 3:49pm
Quoting fream1
Tell me if I am wrong, the panel on the top left marks trends which are often not consistent with what the color of the chart shows nor with the signal sent by the indicator, tell me if I should not observe this panel more and simply orient myself with what the signals tell me and/or with what the color of the chart tells me. I appreciate any comments, it would be very helpful.
As I’ve mentioned before, I’m by no means an expert, but after reading the thread multiple times, I’ll do my best to share what I’ve understood. I also hope that time permitting, Master SwingMan may step in to correct or expand on this if needed.

You're absolutely right to question the reliability of the top left info panel in smGoldenCrossTrend v2.2, and you're definitely not alone. Master SwingMan himself acknowledged that while the panel does display trend information, it can repaint or show inconsistent signals, especially on open candles or during live bar updates.

So what to Focus on Instead
-- Don’t rely solely on the top- eft panel for entry confirmation. It’s helpful for general orientation and trend information of the different time frames, but not accurate enough for timing your trades.
-- The background color on the chart, which reflects the higher timeframe trend (via LWMA), is much more reliable, especially after a candle has closed.

-- What I’ve done personally, I’ve added a second instance of GoldenCrossTrend and set its period to 30. This way, on the H4 chart it shows me the D1 trend more clearly, making alignment easier.

For Trade Decisions, I prioritize:
-- 30 LWMA on H4 chart as explained above
-- Crossover rectangles and signals from Signals_v7.1
-- Slope histogram confirmation (must be bold and in trade direction)
-- Use DonchianFibo indicator its also very useful.

I strongly suggest going through the thread from the beginning. It’s only 24 pages and packed with valuable insights that helped me a lot. I’m sure you’ll find many answers there.

Hope it helps in better understanding.

Best
EN
  • #472
  • Jun 27, 2025 6:58pm Jun 27, 2025 6:58pm
Hello Everyone, @fream1

Quoting fream1
I appreciate any comments, it would be very helpful.
I wanted to share a quick finding from my recent tests with the smGoldenCross indicators on the H4 chart:
smGoldenCross Signals 7.1
Set Draw_BackgroundTrendUTF = true
All other drawing options off
The H4 chart background reliably reflects the D1 trend.

smGoldenCross Tred 2.2
Set Period = 30
Enabled Draw_Middle_Average_Line = true
All other drawing options off
The 30-period LWMA middle line plots continuously and flips between Aqua (up) and Orange (down).

My Observation
On the same H4 chart, the background color (from Signals 7.1) and the 30-LWMA mid-line color (from Tred 2.2) always switch in unison. In other words, the mid-average line’s Aqua/Orange transitions coincide exactly with the background’s D1 trend indication, confirming that the 30-LWMA middle line is a reliable visual confirmation of the higher timeframe trend.

Just wanted to pass this along in case anyone else is combining these two features for multi timeframe confirmation.
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  • #473
  • Jun 27, 2025 7:17pm Jun 27, 2025 7:17pm
Quoting ENoris
Hello Everyone, @fream1 {quote} I wanted to share a quick finding from my recent tests with the smGoldenCross indicators on the H4 chart: smGoldenCross Signals 7.1 Set Draw_BackgroundTrendUTF = true All other drawing options off The H4 chart background reliably reflects the D1 trend. smGoldenCross Tred 2.2 Set Period = 30 Enabled Draw_Middle_Average_Line = true All other drawing options off The 30-period LWMA middle line plots continuously and flips between Aqua (up) and Orange (down). My Observation On the same H4 chart, the background color (from...
Sorry @ENoris, where do I put the Set Period = 30, could you please show me? I don't understand much about this and I'm figuring it out on my own, although I'm still struggling.
  • #474
  • Jun 27, 2025 7:26pm Jun 27, 2025 7:26pm
Quoting fream1
{quote} Sorry @ENoris, where do I put the Set Period = 30, could you please show me? I don't understand much about this and I'm figuring it out on my own, although I'm still struggling.
I have made a template for you.

I have just used these two indicators as shown inthe image attached.

Hope it helps.
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  • #475
  • Jun 27, 2025 7:29pm Jun 27, 2025 7:29pm
Quoting ENoris
{quote} I have made a template for you. I have just used these two indicators as shown inthe image attached. Hope it helps. {image} {file}
Thank you brother, you're the best, it helps a lot
  • #476
  • Jun 27, 2025 8:03pm Jun 27, 2025 8:03pm
Quoting ENoris
{quote} I have made a template for you. I have just used these two indicators as shown inthe image attached. Hope it helps. {image} {file}
@ENoris, smGoldCross Trend_v2.2 It doesn't appear in the template, the rest is fine, could you help me with this? It would be very helpful.
If you could show me how to set it up, it would be very helpful.

Again, thank you very much.

Also when I try to add the smGoldCross Trend_v2.2, smGoldenCross Signals 7.1 automatically exits
  • #477
  • Jun 27, 2025 8:13pm Jun 27, 2025 8:13pm
Quoting fream1
{quote} @ENoris, smGoldCross Trend_v2.2 It doesn't appear in the template, the rest is fine, could you help me with this? It would be very helpful. If you could show me how to set it up, it would be very helpful. Again, thank you very much. Also when I try to add the smGoldCross Trend_v2.2, smGoldenCross Signals 7.1 automatically exits

Please download the revised template, my bad as my indicators location was different so I have made the template again for you.
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  • #478
  • Jun 27, 2025 8:19pm Jun 27, 2025 8:19pm
Quoting ENoris
{quote} Please download the revised template, my bad as my indicators location was different so I have made the template again for you. {file}
THANK YOU!! It worked perfectly, now to try it.
  • #479
  • Jun 30, 2025 10:47am Jun 30, 2025 10:47am
Quoting SwingMan
Here I post (exceptionally) for 7 days the indicators used in my previous charts: https://uploadnow.io/f/LFCGSYN - The trading commands are not yet active in the EA, the layout should still be discussed, and pleas dont use the EA yet. - The GC indicators may still have small errors because I haven't actively traded for a long time and they also ran without updates. - Someone can do a summary of the rules I've posted, then I can add my most recent comments. - If someone suggests a new reasonable rule, one can quickly pick it up, test it...
My Litte Contribution: Summary of the Golden Cross Trading Idea

I have read this thread three times despite the strain on my eyes, my limited screen time, and other family responsibilities.
(Luckily there are 24 pages and appox 480 posts but with wealth of informtion to absorb for a newbie like me)

Back in July 2023, Master SwingMan mentioned:
Quote
Someone can do a summary of the rules I've posted, then I can add my most recent comments. - If someone suggests a new reasonable rule, one can quickly pick it up, test it and apply it.

When I read this, I felt that if no one else had stepped forward to create such a summary, then why not me? I believed it would serve as a handy guide not only for myself but also for others who come across this thread.

Master SwingMan has been contributing to this forum since August 2007, and over the years, he has generously shared an exceptional range of tools, systems, and deep insights, true gems for lazy traders like me who seek structured, time tested approaches. I often wish I had discovered his work and this thread much earlier who knows, I might have reached my trading goals or even retired by now. While I know there's long road ahead for me, I walk with renewed confidence, knowing I am now learning from one of the very best.

This summary PDF is a small token of appreciation from my side. I’ve used a bit of AI to help organize and structure the key posts and strategies, but as we all know, AI has its limitations. So I plan to continue updating and refining the summary as time permits. I have hyperlkinked the post numbers in the pdf, so clicking on the post number will directly take to the relevant post in the thread.

Master SwingMan’s generosity and willingness to keep improving his tools based on user feedback are truly inspiring. His selfless contribution to this community sets a rare example. He doesn’t just provide indicators, he teaches us how to think, adapt, and grow as traders.

I hope this summary proves helpful to new and experienced traders alike. Please feel free to share suggestions or corrections, this is a community effort, and we all learn together.

I also request Master SwingMan, if he thinks it appropriate, to kindly add the PDF link to the first post so that it remains easily accessible. This way, both new and existing members can benefit more effectively as they explore the strategy.

Best regards
EN
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  • #480
  • Jun 30, 2025 10:47am Jun 30, 2025 10:47am
First entries using this system, I have added some moving averages to filter out some “dirty” entries that do not match the current movement.
I appreciate any comments if you see something that does not align with the main idea.
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