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  • #941
  • May 25, 2025 8:10pm May 25, 2025 8:10pm
One concept that no one seems to refer to is that DZ has a trailing margin used. That means you can't build a margin buffer. For example, when you start trading, if your margin used is 1K and margin available is 99K, you are borrowing 2K of money to make your trades.
Now fast forward to when you have made 110K. If your margin used is still 1K and your margin available should be 109K, you are still borrowing 1K to make your trades. The 9K you have made is not the market money and it's not your money to borrow against. You are still in the same boat as when you started with 1K borrowed and 99K available and subject being bad for needing money to borrow to trade.It's just that you are at 109K of DZ's money available and 1K of DZ's money borrowed.
Just one of those builtin things that keeps you down at DZ.
  • #942
  • May 25, 2025 8:19pm May 25, 2025 8:19pm
I like the bold guy in pipmaster's vid that he posted to use the concept of trailing margin available in one of his promotional vids to excite trades about joining DZ.
He is good at it. You saw how in that vid he says Darwinex uses Monte Carlo method but puts a big red X beside it and says the 3rd method that we are not using is the good method. Lol
  • #943
  • May 25, 2025 9:47pm May 25, 2025 9:47pm
Quoting OutThere
{quote} I never lose. I recover my dd. So my dd is a float. For example, if you have a credit card and you buy yourself 5k worth of red baseball caps to give to your friends, have you lost 5k and you are running out of town? No, with each pay chq you pay back 1k and you are back to even. DZ on the other hand assumes you lost the money and cuts your available credit to $10 even if you keep paying those 1K's incrementally. Why? Cause their supposed investors which are years away to even invest in you, cut and run at the slightest sign of a dd. Therefore,...
The fact that you are referencing 100K and 110K in the signal account demonstartes my point exactly........You are not compounding that balance it is irrelevant....You are paid on capital allocations (seed, permanent, investor)....that's the figure you want compounded.

As far as the signal account, just trade consistently and look for the 2.5% per month. If you're cut in half, you need 5, if you're doubled you only need 1.25.....

Point being if I trade 0.01 and you trade 10.0 lots if we take the same exact trades at the same exact times with the same exact entires and exits.....OUR RISK ADJUSTED RETURN WILL BE EXACTLY THE SAME!!!!!

Once you can grasp that, it will all make sense.
  • #944
  • Edited 11:15pm May 25, 2025 10:31pm | Edited 11:15pm
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} The fact that you are referencing 100K and 110K in the signal account demonstartes my point exactly........You are not compounding that balance it is irrelevant....You are paid on capital allocations (seed, permanent, investor)....that's the figure you want compounded. As far as the signal account, just trade consistently and look for the 2.5% per month. If you're cut in half, you need 5, if you're doubled you only need 1.25..... Point being if I trade 0.01 and you trade 10.0 lots if we take the same exact trades at the same exact times...
Once you can grasp the fact that a 10% dd on a .01 trade is so little and a 10% dd on a 10.0 lot is so high in relation to the 100k under management, maybe you too can understand what I am saying.
Besides, you are a manual trader. In the interest of consistency, I use algo which keeps all trade metrics consistent. It's the market that changes, not my trading. I'm not like you who sits in front of the monitor and says to himself oh how do I feel today? Do I feel like a 10 lotter with the way the market is going or should I give it a mere 1.25 lots?
So, you are so far from my set ups but seem to think you have the pulse of my trading under your fingers with your implied sighs and the rolling of your eyes.
  • #945
  • May 26, 2025 6:10am May 26, 2025 6:10am
[quote=OutThere;15256855]{quote} Once you can grasp the fact that a 10% dd on a .01 trade is so little and a 10% dd on a 10.0 lot is so high in relation to the 100k under management,

OK, now you are at least starting to get it. Your statement right there, the job of the risk engine is to make those two very different situations equal.
The 100K is not undermanagement, it is simply the accoiunt you provide signals in.....your allocations are your AUM.
  • #946
  • Edited 6:50am May 26, 2025 6:25am | Edited 6:50am
[quote=pipmaster77;15257165]
Quoting OutThere
{quote} Once you can grasp the fact that a 10% dd on a .01 trade is so little and a 10% dd on a 10.0 lot is so high in relation to the 100k under management, OK, now you are at least starting to get it. Your statement right there, the job of the risk engine is to make those two very different situations equal. The 100K is not undermanagement, it is simply the accoiunt you provide signals in.....your allocations are your AUM.
Nope you don't get it. I do not trade 10 lots. I trade .01 mostly up to maybe 1 or 2 lots. It's cutting all to .32 to .12 multiplier which means it's omitting many of my smaller size trades. My 100K demo is under my management. The allocations or investments I don't touch. 3 out of my 4 accounts are doing great without needing any meddling by the RE 4th one is just below BE. I hardly look at what Darwinex is making up based on my trading signals. It's pretty irrelevant tome. The allocations have been meaningless so far due to the RE multiplier cuts since it has cut me down so much that I'm not getting them. Thank god props don't manipulate trades so much. The RE is just a mechanical algo made up by Darwinex. It's not a marvel of risk mitigation that no one has thought of before. I have plenty of my own RE algo taking care of risk already.
Anyways, as much as you try to help, there is not much you can do. I trade my way without accommodating the RE whatsoever. It can F itself. Thanks any way.

Btw, the RE is not dynamic to adjust the risk between .01 and 10 lot trades. Once it cuts you, it's cut and stays cut no matter what size you trade. It's dumb as a door knob.
  • #947
  • May 26, 2025 7:27am May 26, 2025 7:27am
Quoting OutThere
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Nope you don't get it. I do not trade 10 lots. I trade .01 mostly up to maybe 1 or 2 lots. It's cutting all to .32 to .12 multiplier which means it's omitting many of my smaller size trades. My 100K demo is under my management. The allocations or investments I don't touch. 3 out of my 4 accounts are doing great without needing any meddling by the RE 4th one is just below BE. I hardly look at what Darwinex is making up based on my trading signals. It's pretty irrelevant tome. The allocations have been meaningless
...
Yes, despite the fact we do not agree on 99.9% of anything, I truly am trying to help.
So, you have 3 darwins performing as you wish?
What is different on those 3?
  • #948
  • May 26, 2025 7:53am May 26, 2025 7:53am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote}{quote} Yes, despite the fact we do not agree on 99.9% of anything, I truly am trying to help. So, you have 3 darwins performing as you wish? What is different on those 3?
I'm afraid you can't. They are all algo traded, pretty active and everything needed to manage changes in the market are already in them. The one under 100K just needs usdchf to go up. If you can make that happen, it'll be great help.
  • #949
  • May 26, 2025 8:13am May 26, 2025 8:13am
Quoting OutThere
{quote} I'm afraid you can't. They are all algo traded, pretty active and everything needed to manage changes in the market are already in them. The one under 100K just needs usdchf to go up. If you can make that happen, it'll be great help.
Ok, I will put in a big order to buy USDCHF
  • #950
  • May 31, 2025 1:04pm May 31, 2025 1:04pm
My first darwinex taking ages to reach gold, meanwhile the other account doing marvelous.
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  • #951
  • May 31, 2025 6:06pm May 31, 2025 6:06pm
Quoting sheva89
My first darwinex taking ages to reach gold, meanwhile the other account doing marvelous. {image} {image}
Excellent job. Just got allocated on a darwin which got created this month. 1st one should be gold in 2-3 months.
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What is your risk adjustment on that 2nd? Annual return projeted 211%!!!!!!
  • #952
  • May 31, 2025 9:15pm May 31, 2025 9:15pm
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Excellent job. Just got allocated on a darwin which got created this month. 1st one should be gold in 2-3 months.{image} {image} What is your risk adjustment on that 2nd? Annual return projeted 211%!!!!!!
let’s go to reach Gold altogether!!

It was 10+% in the first month, I have to bring it down since its high reward, high risk, currently sitting at 6.13%.
  • #953
  • Jun 1, 2025 7:32am Jun 1, 2025 7:32am
Quoting OutThere
{quote} You're sounding so confident right now because you are constantly hitting the ATH in your account. I'm sure you are doing that as well in your underlying account that you claim is somehow irrelevant to how RE works. You are basically hitting perfection now and that is how Darwinex works. If your underlying account were real, after doing so well, you'd own all that profit but in DZ, you are only as good as the amount by which you have beaten your own previous ATH. To stay successful and collect your 15%, you will have to make sure you top...
Found this gem on HWM sent to someone complaining in discord about how they couldn't make money with Darwinex......of course that trader came from casino prop world....

You need to get up to speed with real trading. All real money management business work on HWM. Only the fake casino prop firm work the way they do because there are no investors. Imagine the following scenario. You give me $100K M1 I run it to 110 you give me 1.5K you now have 108.5K M2 I have a DD back to 100K no pay M3 I go back up to 110 you give me my cut 1.5 you restart at 108.5 M4 I drop again to 106 no pay M5 I go back up to 110 you give me $600 you start m6 at 109.4 M6 bad month trade tariff talk collapses so does my account I drop to 98K no pay check for me So now you're down 2K on your original capital and you have given me $3,600 for my great service. What are the chances of me NOT receiving the visit of your goons to get that money back. So no. sorry but that is how the real world works. HWM is THE standard of measuring performance fees in the hedge fund business. So if you want to step in with the big boys, you need to accept the rules they live by. No rational investor would ever put money into an no HWM fund for this specific reason. Abuse on fees without returns. Money managers get paid to perform not to recover losses (aside from the typical 1-2% management fee) Take the time to read a couple of Hedge Fund prospectus and see for yourself. We can always tell when people come from prop. It comes with a distorted and biased view of what "trading". The prop biz as it is now uses the same model as casinos. There is no investors money and winners fees comes from people losing at the table and slot machine. It is just an odds game like a casino. So the notion of paying traders for recovering from drawdowns is an absolutely ridiculous expectation in the real world of money And even if the permanent allocation is not real money, it changes nothing. It's all about promoting real conditions and realistic expectations based on reality. Not some gimmicky pseudo fake trading business
  • #954
  • Jun 1, 2025 9:17pm Jun 1, 2025 9:17pm
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Found this gem on HWM sent to someone complaining in discord about how they couldn't make money with Darwinex......of course that trader came from casino prop world.... You need to get up to speed with real trading. All real money management business work on HWM. Only the fake casino prop firm work the way they do because there are no investors. Imagine the following scenario. You give me $100K M1 I run it to 110 you give me 1.5K you now have 108.5K M2 I have a DD back to 100K no pay M3 I go back up to 110 you give me my cut 1.5 you restart...
well pip, I'm disappointed.
I'm surprised that you post such an atrocious description of how HWM works and with it you are trying to convince me to think I am being unreasonable in thinking how slow and unrewarding it is to be trading at Daewinex.

I was going to take screenshots of my underlying account compared to that of Darwinex produced chart based on mine. Too much work. It's not worth my while.

Instead, I will only point out that in your quoted text, there is no mention of the RE. No mention of the HWM being a product of Darwinex, not my trading. It is just like the bold guy likes to say in his vids, it is comparing apples to oranges whereby Dareinex convetts an apple into an orange and scores you how much citrus you have produced with your apple.
It's fkg bullshit. In a conversation with the bold guy whose name if I remember correctly is Louis, he said Darwinex has nothing to do with your underlying account's metrics. It's your IP and they don't look at it or discuss it. They are only concerned with the product that they produce after putting it tru their mill. It would be like comparing beef with baloney. Darwinex produces baloney with your beef and grades the taste and quality and saleability of the new Darwinex labeled creation of yours. Some are good at producing good baloney, no doubt. I do better with beef merchants and under no circumstances am I going to alter my product to make Mortadella with it.

In closing, I'll just post a screenshot of my 7 day old account at Axiselect that is devoid of sausage processing RE machine. I get rewarded for what I do on 1:1 basis just like how it should be. I wouldn't have any issue with getting paid a % based only on a HWM in my account if it was straight forward instead of getting convoluted into something else and then getting paid on the HWM of that something else. Anyway nuf said.
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  • #955
  • Jun 1, 2025 10:57pm Jun 1, 2025 10:57pm
Different cuts from different steak producers go into RE machine that produces a homogeneous product on the right that makes it possible to compare all beef cuts as one.
That's pretty much how it is explained on Darwinex's site.
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  • #956
  • Jun 2, 2025 6:23am Jun 2, 2025 6:23am
Quoting OutThere
Different cuts from different steak producers go into RE machine that produces a homogeneous product on the right that makes it possible to compare all beef cuts as one. That's pretty much how it is explained on Darwinex's site. {image}
Yes, so that a YOLO gambler cannot go all-in and get lucky and then appear to be a better trader than someone that actually knows what they are doing.
Someone trading 1 lot and making 2% on "signal" account should not lose out to someone trading 100 lots and making 200%
It's simply not for everyone, but the main issue is folks just cannot seem to let go of what their return is on the signal account........it is just a signal account.
  • #957
  • Jun 2, 2025 6:58am Jun 2, 2025 6:58am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Yes, so that a YOLO gambler cannot go all-in and get lucky and then appear to be a better trader than someone that actually knows what they are doing. Someone trading 1 lot and making 2% on "signal" account should not lose out to someone trading 100 lots and making 200% It's simply not for everyone, but the main issue is folks just cannot seem to let go of what their return is on the signal account........it is just a signal account.
My accounts with DZ range from 3000 to 16000 trades so far. No one yolo trade there ever. When I mention that to Darwinex, they say time counts too. So by 5 years in, there will be 100K trades. I wonder what will their excuse be then.
  • #958
  • Jun 2, 2025 7:18am Jun 2, 2025 7:18am
Quoting OutThere
{quote} My accounts with DZ range from 3000 to 16000 trades so far. No one yolo trade there ever. When I mention that to Darwinex, they say time counts too. So by 5 years in, there will be 100K trades. I wonder what will their excuse be then.
Not saying you personally, I just gave a very generic reason why risk engine exists.
yes, time counts, my Darwin started this month at 77+ already allocated before I place a trade, because my previous 5 months track record weighs heavily.
  • #959
  • Jun 2, 2025 7:23am Jun 2, 2025 7:23am
Actually, I've grown exhausted of the debate, anyone that does not wish to use Darwinex.....just don't.
For me, it's a perfect fit. Maybe I'm just lucky.
  • #960
  • Jun 2, 2025 1:09pm Jun 2, 2025 1:09pm
Quoting pipmaster77
Actually, I've grown exhausted of the debate, anyone that does not wish to use Darwinex.....just don't. For me, it's a perfect fit. Maybe I'm just lucky.
Why waste your time if someone doesn’t get what you mean?
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