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  • #48,361
  • Apr 22, 2025 10:10am Apr 22, 2025 10:10am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} The affiliates always get paid and TBH, who the hell knows if they even have real accounts....all marketing expense to lure in the rest.
Yep i remember patrick wilden on live streaming telling his 600K payout from apex is pretty small as compared to affiliate money he gets from all prop firms.
  • #48,362
  • Apr 22, 2025 10:43am Apr 22, 2025 10:43am
The payout rate on futures firms is very low, it helps them a lot to do big payouts as people think they can do it to, but if you think how many people buy accounts vs the number of people who make huge payout its funny, less than 0.1%.

Credit to the traders who get them, you have to be in it to win it.
  • #48,363
  • Apr 22, 2025 11:30am Apr 22, 2025 11:30am
Quoting Takisd
The payout rate on futures firms is very low, it helps them a lot to do big payouts as people think they can do it to, but if you think how many people buy accounts vs the number of people who make huge payout its funny, less than 0.1%. Credit to the traders who get them, you have to be in it to win it.
Yes, completely different style of trading. Earn 120% in 30 days to pass your eval. Not my preferred method, so I am loading up on Darwins....different instruments, different sizes so they do not correlate...it's just so stress free to earn 2-2.5% PER MONTH with very minimal leverage/risk. My goal is now 10 darwins going to throw a $100K permananet allocation on each.....essentially purchasing a $3,750/mo income for around $5,300 as long as I continue to average my 2.5%/mo....not considering seed and/or investor capital allocations.
Of course, I still use the props and I trade them slow and small.
The other strategy is simply view these $50-60 offerings as 1 $50 risk in a peronal account but instead of making $60 with 1.2:1 RR, you wind up with $2,500 to trade with.
I prefer the STF offerings as I pay once have $6K in DD and I can trade as slow and small as I wish.
  • #48,364
  • Apr 22, 2025 11:40am Apr 22, 2025 11:40am
WeMasterTrade is my new go to prop but it seems they are using the same math wizard that City Traders Imperium uses. I like the way they calculate consistency but seriously, can anybody do 3rd grade math? Supposed to be 39.2%
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  • #48,365
  • Apr 22, 2025 11:49am Apr 22, 2025 11:49am
Quoting sampat
{quote} Yep i remember patrick wilden on live streaming telling his 600K payout from apex is pretty small as compared to affiliate money he gets from all prop firms.
ok so i am going to open my own youtube channel as well
90% of traders use TA, indicators and prediction
  • #48,366
  • Apr 22, 2025 11:57am Apr 22, 2025 11:57am
Great news to me. No more payout window on tradeify!
in case you missed, there is also a good promo
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  • #48,367
  • Apr 22, 2025 12:03pm Apr 22, 2025 12:03pm
Quoting Capablanca
{quote} Jade won't be waiting that long, probably, because Apex knows he has a lot of followers in social media.
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MOFO these millions eveyrwhere feels like i should stop penny challenges n payouts from other firms and go back to apex 20 accounts only......
Extreme gut feeling trader
  • #48,368
  • Apr 22, 2025 12:14pm Apr 22, 2025 12:14pm
Quoting montygoldy
{quote} {image} MOFO these millions eveyrwhere feels like i should stop penny challenges n payouts from other firms and go back to apex 20 accounts only......
Do it monty you are the few here with the balls for it
  • #48,369
  • Apr 22, 2025 12:17pm Apr 22, 2025 12:17pm
How can some one make that much with 20 accounts with the drawdown offered... even the biggest 300k account the drawdown is $7000 so how would the math work? You would have to make $25k average each week on 20 accounts. Is that doable?
Drawdown is more important than Account Size !
  • #48,370
  • Apr 22, 2025 12:22pm Apr 22, 2025 12:22pm
Quoting procrude
How can some one make that much with 20 accounts with the drawdown offered... even the biggest 300k account the drawdown is $7000 so how would the math work? You would have to make $25k average each week on 20 accounts. Is that doable?
you can follow Jadecap youtube he showed all the progress....

Btw completely doabable - Its all about equity when you have 15-20k drawdown per account you can easily target 2k-3k a day....as the equity increases increase profit target...
Extreme gut feeling trader
  • #48,371
  • Apr 22, 2025 12:23pm Apr 22, 2025 12:23pm
Quoting Novazor
{quote} Do it monty you are the few here with the balls for it
Checking calender... Probably will try on NFP .... 20x150k YOLO............
MOFO passing intra trailing challenges are pain as well....

Tomorrow i'll ready for blue guardian payout 4 - Will use that payout to buy 20 accounts.....


So far this account taught me if i do 1 trade a day only then my win ratio is 98%.....
But the thing is needs a decent equity first to be content with 1 trade only....

On the other hand always turning winning day to losing by over trading.....
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  • #48,372
  • Apr 22, 2025 12:28pm Apr 22, 2025 12:28pm
Quoting montygoldy
{quote} {image} MOFO these millions eveyrwhere feels like i should stop penny challenges n payouts from other firms and go back to apex 20 accounts only......
if he is who i think he is, he actually is a great trader btw
even better than me
Lol kidding
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  • #48,373
  • Apr 22, 2025 12:32pm Apr 22, 2025 12:32pm
Quoting montygoldy
{quote} you can follow Jadecap youtube he showed all the progress.... Btw completely doabable - Its all about equity when you have 15-20k drawdown per account you can easily target 2k-3k a day....as the equity increases increase profit target...
In forex, it's so very difficult to make 10k profit on 50k account. Looks like we, forex trader missing big because of not trading future.
  • #48,374
  • Apr 22, 2025 12:35pm Apr 22, 2025 12:35pm
Quoting montygoldy
{quote} you can follow Jadecap youtube he showed all the progress.... Btw completely doabable - Its all about equity when you have 15-20k drawdown per account you can easily target 2k-3k a day....as the equity increases increase profit target...
Also last 90 days are pretty much volatile. If traded correctly with steel balls and good luck 1 mini can get 15-20K per account.
  • #48,375
  • Apr 22, 2025 12:39pm Apr 22, 2025 12:39pm
Quoting Sherlock
{quote} In forex, it's so very difficult to make 10k profit on 50k account. Looks like we, forex trader missing big because of not trading future.
In forex there is daily 5% drawdown. In future once you pass threshold one can gamble entire account plus more leverage less spreads and more volatility.
Every thing depends on timing. 2 years back it was easier to get forex payouts now a days even FTMO and 5ers will put you under risk review if you trade larger.
  • #48,376
  • Apr 22, 2025 1:19pm Apr 22, 2025 1:19pm
Quoting sampat
{quote} In forex there is daily 5% drawdown. In future once you pass threshold one can gamble entire account plus more leverage less spreads and more volatility. Every thing depends on timing. 2 years back it was easier to get forex payouts now a days even FTMO and 5ers will put you under risk review if you trade larger.
nope
most futures firms have limitations on max drawdown x trade. Apex certainly has.
but anyway, if you trade 1 or 2 micros maybe 3k drawdown can be a lot of room.
but if you trade mini, easy to get off by a wrong trade. Mostly on Nq.
it all depends on the way you like trading.
i my self prefer very tiny stop and targets. Eventually reload the trade.
average trade duration is somewhere near 2 minutes.

btw, I left forex approx a year ago. It simply does not reflect my personality.
and imo, good trading starts once you trade the instrument that reflects your personality.
mine, is NQ (80%) and CL (20%). I need moves, strong moves. Opportunities. A lot of opportunities.

in the past, i was trading cable and gbpjpy. Now i look at those charts sometimes and i feel like i see prices stuck at same level.
90% of traders use TA, indicators and prediction
  • #48,377
  • Apr 22, 2025 1:20pm Apr 22, 2025 1:20pm
I am waiting on the next apex 90% sale. I will try with 20 static accounts and see what happens.
Drawdown is more important than Account Size !
  • #48,378
  • Apr 22, 2025 1:22pm Apr 22, 2025 1:22pm
Quoting Expo33
WeMasterTrade is my new go to prop but it seems they are using the same math wizard that City Traders Imperium uses. I like the way they calculate consistency but seriously, can anybody do 3rd grade math? Supposed to be 39.2% {image}
They seems fairly new. Why not go with FTMO or 5ers? It doesn't look like WMT offer much better conditions.
  • #48,379
  • Apr 22, 2025 1:25pm Apr 22, 2025 1:25pm
Quoting _BBKing_
{quote} nope most futures firms have limitations on max drawdown x trade. Apex certainly has. but anyway, if you trade 1 or 2 micros maybe 3k drawdown can be a lot of room. but if you trade mini, easy to get off by a wrong trade. Mostly on Nq. it all depends on the way you like trading. i my self prefer very tiny stop and targets. Eventually reload the trade. average trade duration is somewhere near 2 minutes. btw, I left forex approx a year ago. It simply does not reflect my personality. and imo, good trading starts once you trade the instrument...
well now a days you can trade anything ES is moving like former NQ. Even RTY is moving like NQ.
  • #48,380
  • Apr 22, 2025 1:28pm Apr 22, 2025 1:28pm
Quoting _BBKing_
{quote} nope most futures firms have limitations on max drawdown x trade. Apex certainly has. but anyway, if you trade 1 or 2 micros maybe 3k drawdown can be a lot of room. but if you trade mini, easy to get off by a wrong trade. Mostly on Nq. it all depends on the way you like trading. i my self prefer very tiny stop and targets. Eventually reload the trade. average trade duration is somewhere near 2 minutes. btw, I left forex approx a year ago. It simply does not reflect my personality. and imo, good trading starts once you trade the instrument...
It seems you trade on 1m chart, with average trade duration of 2 minutes, in forex your spread cost won't be even covered. 3k DD doesn't seems of a big room to make 400k in a week or so. This seems all just very unrealistic and maybe all those big payouts traders are nothing but just eye wash ? I can't really imagine making 400k from 3kx20=60k. Not in forex at all.
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