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  • #701
  • Jan 29, 2025 10:29pm Jan 29, 2025 10:29pm
Quoting OutThere
{quote} that 5% could also be 7,8 or 9% in your Darwin only if you don't get even an intraday sizable dd. One slip and your risk engine cut is nearly permanent even if you go back to your regular trading with low dd. One more intraday and once again a huge drop in multiplier until your are just a bug crawling on the window. That doesn't work the other way. If you get a large increase in your equity because of an intraday spike, the risk engine doesn't suddenly double/triple the multiplier. It works like a criminal record. You could be an outstanding...
It works like credit history one screw up can cause downgrade of risk engine. But there is a work around if one is patient enough trade 0.01 lot for 45 days your risk multiplier will become max like crazy.
  • #702
  • Jan 29, 2025 10:48pm Jan 29, 2025 10:48pm
Quoting sampat
{quote} It works like credit history one screw up can cause downgrade of risk engine. But there is a work around if one is patient enough trade 0.01 lot for 45 days your risk multiplier will become max like crazy.
Yes but, you have to be up in your underlying and down in your darwin for that to work.
Otherwise, trading with .01 in your underlying and hoping for RM to go up isn't really happening.
I just can't see a positive Darwin while underlying is negative.
  • #703
  • Jan 29, 2025 10:58pm Jan 29, 2025 10:58pm
Quoting OutThere
{quote} Yes but, you have to be up in your underlying and down in your darwin for that to work. Otherwise, trading with .01 in your underlying and hoping for RM to go up isn't really happening. I just can't see a positive Darwin while underlying is negative.
Not sure why? Lets say your dawwin is down by 20% and risk engine is 0.1 (so you trade 1 lot in the MT4 and darwin puts 0.1). You trade 0.01 for 2 months (45 days to be precise) and since trader is trading so small your darwin till still remain -20% but risk engine will go up like 2.0 or 2.5.
Once your risk is up you just need to make on 1-2 days 5-6 percent before risk engine catch up. Once drawdown is recovered start trading normally.
  • #704
  • Jan 30, 2025 12:12am Jan 30, 2025 12:12am
Quoting sampat
{quote} Not sure why? Lets say your dawwin is down by 20% and risk engine is 0.1 (so you trade 1 lot in the MT4 and darwin puts 0.1). You trade 0.01 for 2 months (45 days to be precise) and since trader is trading so small your darwin till still remain -20% but risk engine will go up like 2.0 or 2.5. Once your risk is up you just need to make on 1-2 days 5-6 percent before risk engine catch up. Once drawdown is recovered start trading normally.
I haven't experienced any 'up period' yet....lol.
I'm toning down, dimming the lights, pulling curtains...just to avoid pissing off the RE.
I'm trying to onboard it..slowly and methodically.
The smallest vibration is wild but I'll soon latch on.....

  • #705
  • Jan 30, 2025 12:48am Jan 30, 2025 12:48am
Right now not looking good. Chances of a green month is deiminishing for my 1st acct.

Maybe Trump say something?

Meanwhile, in Feb, my 2nd acct. s going to get a 30K allocation...with a +2 multiplier attached to it's butt.
So, having fun regardless.
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  • #706
  • Jan 30, 2025 1:53am Jan 30, 2025 1:53am
I find my 2nd acct in the under 1K list and you know you can look left/right to your neigbors that you're ranking with...
So I picked my neighbour...I didn't want to name them in case they get offended...

So, it has been over a year for this soul, trading pretty decently and no allocations at all.
Very heroic, very persistant....anyways cool.

Just noticed in just one month I have caught up to him..
lol...I just had to rejoyce a little bit here, for an indirect benefit of getting a shot in the arm by looking over the fence...
That's 11X sub more efficient.
Still waiting until Monday.
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  • #707
  • Edited 3:32am Jan 30, 2025 3:07am | Edited 3:32am
Quoting OutThere
{quote} that 5% could also be 7,8 or 9% in your Darwin only if you don't get even an intraday sizable dd. One slip and your risk engine cut is nearly permanent even if you go back to your regular trading with low dd. One more intraday and once again a huge drop in multiplier until your are just a bug crawling on the window. That doesn't work the other way. If you get a large increase in your equity because of an intraday spike, the risk engine doesn't suddenly double/triple the multiplier. It works like a criminal record. You could be an outstanding...
I will repeat again,that is not how Risk Engine works. DDs don't matter.It matters if you went into DD with your regular risk or you added to risk while going down.
Risk Engine would treat a trader the same way if he went into nice profit and then started adding risk to his open position to get even bigger profit.
What is risk? Adding additional lot to your normal lot size(it doesn't matter if trade is going down or up),leaving your position open longer than you normally do,trading usual lot size in a market that became much more volatile for some reason or opening a trade in an asset that is much more volatile than your assets you trade usually-start trading Silver,while you normally trade forex...
Martingale traders are penalized twice when they have a bad day,because they keep adding new lots to open position until full margin and usually while doing so they also leave their position open much longer while waiting for their over-leveraged position to recover.
Risk Engine calculates Risk profile (VaR%) for the last 45 active trading days,so it is possible for martingale trader or scalper to have nice,calm 2 month trading period with low VaR but than one bad day can cause jump in VaR%,because algorithm just got new data to incorporate into your Risk profile.
  • #708
  • Jan 30, 2025 3:20am Jan 30, 2025 3:20am
Quoting EURsniper
{quote} I will repeat again,that is not how Risk Engine works. DDs don't matter.It matters if you went into DD with your regular risk or you added to risk while going down. Risk Engine would treat a trader the same way if he went into nice profit and then started adding risk to his open position to get even bigger profit. What is risk? Adding additional lot to your normal lot size(it doesn't matter if you are going down or up),leaving your position open longer than you normally do,trading usual lot size in a market that became much more volatile...
OK, ppl talk about diff between Darwinex and props.
You explained it perfectly.

Besides, I know Darwinex really believes in how risk works...for example adding more trades or instrument or pairs whatever.
They probaly have statistical models that prove their point. They also have to measure all by the same ruler.

But, I disagree.

If I add more anything or change things, in my plans, I am steering the ship out of troubled waters.
If they don't like my efforts to keep afloat, so I can thrive, then F them..of course respectfully..

Efforts to make things right are just efforts until they work.
After a storm (caused naturally be the forces of the market) steer you away from your ideal path, you lean a bit left, you lean a bit right until the wind catches your sai and brings you to calmer waters... That means the effort worked.
Darwinex doesn't recognise the effort to get out of a hole as much as punishes you if u fall into a pothole.
But Darwinex has formulated the attemt as an attack on security of the funds and cuts you down.

I'm working with it but being up 5% in underlying and barely around BE in Darwinex is a little boring right now.
  • #709
  • Edited 12:26pm Jan 30, 2025 4:13am | Edited 12:26pm
Darwinex lets you trade your account any way you like it,but the asset they create using input of your intellectual property is their legal liability and they have to protect investors.This is not a game with demo money as prop firms are playing with.
Secondly and even more important is that they have to protect themselves as a broker. Imagine if Japanese or Swiss central banks do something crazy and market goes wild while one of their loaded darwins is on the wrong side of that spike (some traders still remember 2015 CHF...)Broker would go bankrupt,because darwins can easily operate with 5-30 mil. AUM even now in early stages of this investment platform,while there are darwins who have calculated Capacity in hundreds of millions.Add leverage on that and you are handling serious position...
That is why they(Risk Engine) also don't care where you put your SL,because nobody guarantees that SL won't be moved later or cancelled altogether and, more importantly, that SL for darwin's AUM is not a guaranteed SL with liquidity providers.
Also they don't care if your position is in profit but you keep adding leverage to it or if scalper decides to keep his high-leveraged profitable trade open over night instead of 30 minutes,because nobody guarantees for darwin that it will be able to exit position at the same price (lets say at break-even or trailing TP) as you in your account if SHTF. Exiting with 0.2 lots is not the same as exiting with 100 or 200 lots.
  • #710
  • Jan 30, 2025 11:26am Jan 30, 2025 11:26am
Quoting EURsniper
Darwinex lets you trade your account any way you like it,but the asset they create using input of your intellectual property is their legal liability and they have to protect investors.This is not a game with demo money as prop firms are playing with. Secondly and even more important is that they have to protect themselves as a broker. Imagine if Japanese or Swiss central banks do something crazy and market goes wild while one of their loaded darwins is on the wrong side of that spike (some traders still remember 2015 CHF...)Broker would go bankrupt,because...
You're explanations are brilliant. Thanks for your insight.

Unfortunately Outhere is like a 2 year old that doesn't listen to his parents when they tell him to not touch a hot stove.
Pride always comes before destruction.... -Proverbs 16:18
  • #711
  • Jan 30, 2025 11:35am Jan 30, 2025 11:35am
The obsession with increasing risk is the mind boggling.

I'm at .5 risk and was at 0.29 for a couple of months before that.

I like to risk $200 to win $300-$500 depending on the setup. So knowing I'm at .5 risk I would open a 2 lot Euro trade with a 20 pip stop loss. I know that position will be cut in half down to 1 lot. Perfect. I can see it on the website. It doesn't mysteriously and wildly fluctuate while my trade is active.

BUT BUT BUT if only I could increase the risk to 1.0 then I could.............I could what? Risk $400 per trade? No, of course not. If I had 1.0 risk I would have the same exact trade only I would open a 1 lot trade. Same risk per trade, same game either way.

It's mind boggling to hear our resident idiot Outthere constantly blabbering on about something he doesn't understand. I guess bad traders need an excuse for their traing impotence
Pride always comes before destruction.... -Proverbs 16:18
  • #712
  • Jan 30, 2025 11:40am Jan 30, 2025 11:40am
Done for the month. 6th allocation in a row coming. Won't need to earn anything in February for the 7th. Performance fees sitting at $720 with one month to go before payout.

Subscription fees: IRRELEVANT
Risk engine: IRRELEVANT
OutThere's bitching and moaning: IRRELEVANT

0.5 risk is more than enough to accomplish all of my goals
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  • #713
  • Jan 30, 2025 10:46pm Jan 30, 2025 10:46pm
Quoting Expo33
{quote} You're explanations are brilliant. Thanks for your insight. Unfortunately Outhere is like a 2 year old that doesn't listen to his parents when they tell him to not touch a hot stove.
You are a grandma trader who gets excited over placing a whopping 2 trades per night.

Try trading all of them in 4 accts 24/5 in all directions. I doubt your fish brain can handle even 3 trades per night.
What you really need is to get out of your tight expondax so maybe u can get more Oxygen.
  • #714
  • Jan 30, 2025 10:52pm Jan 30, 2025 10:52pm
Quoting Expo33
The obsession with increasing risk is the mind boggling. I'm at .5 risk and was at 0.29 for a couple of months before that. I like to risk $200 to win $300-$500 depending on the setup. So knowing I'm at .5 risk I would open a 2 lot Euro trade with a 20 pip stop loss. I know that position will be cut in half down to 1 lot. Perfect. I can see it on the website. It doesn't mysteriously and wildly fluctuate while my trade is active. BUT BUT BUT if only I could increase the risk to 1.0 then I could.............I could what? Risk $400 per trade? No, of...
Well, Douchebag, how many accounts have you blown since you started?
I can not only dig a few out, I can also bring forth a few of your stupid questions that make a wall blush.
Lucky for you, no Phiranna face with fangs showed up to piss on you.

Ok, granma 'Exposed himsel in spandax on a trading platform, why don't you go get into another one, take photos of yourself in front of the mirror and post it in the prop thread.
  • #715
  • Jan 30, 2025 10:54pm Jan 30, 2025 10:54pm
Ok, douche,
My 2nd account is in the top 800.
Took only a month. How long has it taken you so far? Not counting your many previous failed attempts.

Will (not) be checking yours as I as I pass you by.
  • #716
  • Jan 30, 2025 11:12pm Jan 30, 2025 11:12pm
Expo and EURsniper do not have the experience, nor the experties with anything like I do.
It's a different world to them.
I'm not going to instead of 1 lot only trade .01 lot for 45 days.
That's not how it works for me.
It works for your buddy with one lot a night wager on UJ before bed...
That's why he is so excited that you have found the solution.
fkg cpl of juniors.
  • #717
  • Jan 31, 2025 12:22am Jan 31, 2025 12:22am
Quoting OutThere
{quote} You are a grandma trader who gets excited over placing a whopping 2 trades per night. Try trading all of them in 4 accts 24/5 in all directions. I doubt your fish brain can handle even 3 trades per night. What you really need is to get out of your tight expondax so maybe u can get more Oxygen.
Started 3 accounts with the intention of trading UJ on one, OIL on another, and then SP500 on the 3rd one to keep the correlation in check. Ended up cancelling 2 of them as that is just a waste of time

908 trades over 120 trading days cupcake equals about 7 to 8 trades a day. And any real trader doesn't remotely measure their success by how many trades they trade going in all directions. I also have a day job that keeps me away from home for 13 hours a day so Im asleep during London/NY session. Imagine how good my stats would look if I could sit at the monitor during prime time.

You get dumber by the comment. Hi im OutThere, I trade everything in all different directions then come here and make a stinky in my diapers blaming the risk engine for my stupidity. Then Eursniper brilliantly explains EXACTLY how the engine works and you go running back to your playplen for binky time. Absolutely pathetic

Bottom line in 2 months Ill be eligible for Gold. Investor button will be added. Meanwhile, you'll still be sucking your thinb curled up in the fetal position crying about the risk engine

But I get it your jealous. I said I would crank out green months with continuous allocations and that's exactly what I've done and will continue to do

Night night
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  • #718
  • Jan 31, 2025 12:34am Jan 31, 2025 12:34am
Quoting Expo33
{quote} Started 3 accounts with the intention of trading UJ on one, OIL on another, and then SP500 on the 3rd one to keep the correlation in check. Ended up cancelling 2 of them as that is just a waste of time 908 trades over 120 trading days cupcake equals about 7 to 8 trades a day. And any real trader doesn't remotely measure their success by how many trades they trade going in all directions. I also have a day job that keeps me away from home for 13 hours a day so Im asleep during London/NY session. Imagine how good my stats would look if I could...
You pos don't even understand what 'trading all pairs in all directions' was in reference to.
It's about the more instruments/markets you trade, the higher risk you take on and therefore you are considered a risky trader determind by the risk engine.
And I was saying, that's not true. Trading in multiple instuments is designed to lower risk. It's diversifying risk upon more instruments of possible oposing nature.
Your fish brain hasn't evolved enough to understand yet.
  • #719
  • Jan 31, 2025 11:12am Jan 31, 2025 11:12am
Darwin back in biz....finished calibration last Friday....will receive allocation for Feb....will add the 100K , goal to hit 5% within 2 months, so I will have 2 separate payouts every quarter.

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  • #720
  • Jan 31, 2025 11:40am Jan 31, 2025 11:40am
Looking at Darwin's weekly email highlighting DClassic trader FQR

11 investors for 405K. Pretty good stuff
.
15% drawdown, profits aren't earth shatttering but consistent. Goes to show you. Consistency is key

https://www.darwinex.com/darwin/FQR?...ource=hs_email
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