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  • #81
  • Jan 7, 2025 5:49am Jan 7, 2025 5:49am
Quoting kevin1959
{quote} Hi Dempire. All you have to do is go on to the new cable thread and other pairs. Show one instance on this thread where you think anyone hads been decieved by T721 it is 559 pages long, then come back here and give an unbiased opinion as to whether tou still think T721 is a liar and a thief as you have called him on this thread. Sorry if you think I am twisting the facts as this is not my intention. You also have a great trading journey Kind regards Kev
You have been trading for 13 years but you don’t make any profit and don’t have stats whether you are breakeven or not. These are your results following “gurus” like T721. fact. If T721 is profitable for 20 years he’d have proof, he doesn’t. Fact.

Stop the madness, read the posts, think and look at the results. Stop lying to yourself
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  • #82
  • Jan 7, 2025 5:57am Jan 7, 2025 5:57am
Quoting dempire1
{quote} You have been trading for 13 years but you don’t make any profit and don’t have stats whether you are breakeven or not. These are your results following “gurus” like T721. fact. If T721 is profitable for 20 years he’d have proof, he doesn’t. Fact. Stop the madness, read the posts, think and look at the results. Stop lying to yourself
Hi Dempire
No worries. Traders on this thread can if they want to, check the thread out by T721 This way they can judge for themselves the integrity of T721 themselves.
I wish you well
Kind regards
Kev
  • #83
  • Jan 7, 2025 6:16am Jan 7, 2025 6:16am
Quoting dempire1
{quote} Who are called liars without evidence?
The title of the thread starter alone is promising:
If you drank too much on New Year's Eve, you might puke now Come,
dear ones, relieve yourselves now, says the promise of the star singers (not).
Subsequently, no corrective or supportive intervention via thread guidance.

Your assumptions #4ff are rather vague and support the accusatory headline, not enough to pillory those named people.

I would like to make it clear that I reject the increasing tendencies in FF (and have also communicated my suspicions to the respective people several times via PM)
- Pilot participants away from FF to their own channels in order to create an “inner circle” and this way kidnapped them for own purposes with no return to FF
- Use of the FF platform to save acquisition costs for buyers of various signal, training and other scrap intentions.

This does not prohibit the additional use of other channels.
AI also will bring new benefits and conflicts.

So: Don't forget loyalty and source information Participation in FF is voluntary, may be interesting or not.
If you don't feel comfortable here, you can move on.
Anyone hoping for support should show fairness towards the business model or clearly address what needs to be improved.

Thanks, I'm done with the topic now
and expect that any denunciation will not be made until evidence to the contrary is provided.
I realize that the opposite occurs (Otello).
  • #84
  • Jan 7, 2025 6:24am Jan 7, 2025 6:24am
Quoting Isabella_D
{quote} The title of the thread starter alone is promising: If you drank too much on New Year's Eve, you might puke now Come, dear ones, relieve yourselves now, says the promise of the star singers (not). Subsequently, no corrective or supportive intervention via thread guidance. Your assumptions #4ff are rather vague and support the accusatory headline, not enough to pillory those named people. I would like to make it clear that I reject the increasing tendencies in FF (and have also communicated my suspicions to the respective people several times...
Hi Isabella D
well said.
I wish I could put things in writing like this lol
Kind regards
Kev
  • #85
  • Jan 7, 2025 6:36am Jan 7, 2025 6:36am
Quoting Isabella_D
{quote} The title of the thread starter alone is promising: If you drank too much on New Year's Eve, you might puke now Come, dear ones, relieve yourselves now, says the promise of the star singers (not). Subsequently, no corrective or supportive intervention via thread guidance. Your assumptions #4ff are rather vague and support the accusatory headline, not enough to pillory those named people. I would like to make it clear that I reject the increasing tendencies in FF (and have also communicated my suspicions to the respective people several times...
I’m expressing my suspicion against FF member(s) but I also back it up with good reasons.
Let me make a summary about T721:
1. He spreads pdf-s which have advertising to “gutus” instagrams.
2. He lures people to telegram group
3. he subscribes daily to random members on FF
4. Systems he advertises doesn’t yield any profits to any members on his own thread on FF nor telegram. Kevin is the most fresh example, hes been with him for 6-8 weeks.
5. T721 claims making profits for over 20 years but no proof only hearsay.

These are all facts. I didn’t make these things up. I speculated that T721 might be from Nigeria


Your reply doesn’t make any sense. Try reading posts again.

Best of luck
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  • #86
  • Jan 7, 2025 7:02am Jan 7, 2025 7:02am
Quoting dempire1
{quote} I’m expressing my suspicion against FF member(s) but I also back it up with good reasons. Let me make a summary about T721: 1. He spreads pdf-s which have advertising to “gutus” instagrams. 2. He lures people to telegram group 3. he subscribes daily to random members on FF 4. Systems he advertises doesn’t yield any profits to any members on his own thread on FF nor telegram. Kevin is the most fresh example, hes been with him for 6-8 weeks. 5. T721 claims making profits for over 20 years but no proof only hearsay. These are all facts. I didn’t...
The suspicion that someone wants to appear more than they are is often obvious. Also that FF is exploited for acquisition...no contradiction.
My only point was that you should be very safe when making a public accusation.
(I haven't looked at Pat, Correg and T721's contributions in depth, so I can't judge them.)
I am not against naming grievances. But then they also have to be proven.
  • #87
  • Jan 7, 2025 7:20am Jan 7, 2025 7:20am
Quoting Isabella_D
{quote} The suspicion that someone wants to appear more than they are is often obvious. Also that FF is exploited for acquisition...no contradiction. My only point was that you should be very safe when making a public accusation. (I haven't looked at Pat, Correg and T721's contributions in depth, so I can't judge them.) I am not against naming grievances. But then they also have to be proven.
There are links and everything available about Pat Chiko from me and from other members on FF.

Coreg I haven’t personally looked into apart from he doesn’t make a live call ever. After the fact.

T721 I investigated more and all links are provided too and a live example of Kevin who’s been following similar “gurus” for 13 years and his results backs up my claims right here right now. Open T721 profile and see how he is subbing and promoting these pdf-s. Take about 2 minutes to see for yourself. Classical advertising technique which I also linked in gbp/usd thread.

Everybody should be careful trusting people on the internet. Thread starter purpose was to save other traders time. Well you either take this or not it. Kevin falls into the same pit for 13 years—> not the best example to learn from

Best Wishes
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  • #88
  • Jan 7, 2025 8:18am Jan 7, 2025 8:18am
Quoting dempire1
{quote} There are links and everything available about Pat Chiko from me and from other members on FF. Coreg I haven’t personally looked into apart from he doesn’t make a live call ever. After the fact. T721 I investigated more and all links are provided too and a live example of Kevin who’s been following similar “gurus” for 13 years and his results backs up my claims right here right now. Open T721 profile and see how he is subbing and promoting these pdf-s. Take about 2 minutes to see for yourself. Classical advertising technique which I also...
Hi Dempire.
If you look at the 10% traders that you say are on FF that is profitble and there is over 3500 members. So 350 traders on here by your account are profitable ok so far ?
the profitable traders that I follow including T721 have been trading for a very long time. I have been a hobby trader for the last 12years I thought it was longer so far so good ?
In my 50s I stumbled on the babypips website and got the bug for learning how to trade. Not I am going to trade and loose all my money but simply to learn. So far so good ?
Do you really think that twelve years as a hobby trader looking after family and work commitments is to long to go from a losing trader to a breakeven trader. ?
On T721s New cable thread and other pairs there is tons of pdfs and videos. a lot of the pdfs I have read before, but there is a lot that I havn't read, I read the ones I find educational and disregard the ones that I dont. As this seems to be your biggest bug bear in accusing T721 of being a Liar and a cheat can you kindly explain what you find so offensive about this as a lot of traders, if they find something of value post pdfs and videos and I for one find it very useful.?
Ihave already posted a trading chart on the I finallyfigured it out thread for here2there to look at if it is any value to him,
and have giving credit to t721 for the bits in it that I have already learned from him.
Do you really think that after 6 to 8 weeks of watching and learning from someone who has been trading for over Twenty years that you can just pick it up and start trading, because if you do this is a very naive way to go about things not only in tradin but in life generally.
I should be in profit this year, but if I am not I wii keep learning from the better traders who know far much more than me, simply because I really enjoy it.
kind regards
Kev
  • #89
  • Jan 7, 2025 8:44am Jan 7, 2025 8:44am
It's getting ugly in here! Let's be respectful of one another. This thread was not created with the intent to call people out in it and make accusations against FF members. I was making a specific point. Unfortunately, some people have taken it in the wrong direction.

I have requested for the thread to be deleted. I'm not sure the moderators will grant my request, but I think it is for the best that this thread be removed.

Let's stay focused and positive.
Learn from your mistakes and march on.
  • #90
  • Jan 7, 2025 8:54am Jan 7, 2025 8:54am
Quoting here2there
It's getting ugly in here! Let's be respectful of one another. This thread was not created with the intent to call people out in it and make accusations against FF members. I was making a specific point. Unfortunately, some people have taken it in the wrong direction. I have requested for the thread to be deleted. I'm not sure the moderators will grant my request, but I think it is for the best that this thread be removed. Let's stay focused and positive.
Hi here2there
I have nothing at all against Dempire and I am sure he has nothing against me, Dempire is very passionate about what he believes, and that is not a fault, but accusations against another person has to be 100% accurate.
Kind regards
Kev
  • #91
  • Jan 7, 2025 9:01am Jan 7, 2025 9:01am
As we binned, lets not cry and put a Happy Swing Jazz Music here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOUj9Cqu1Vs
  • #92
  • Jan 7, 2025 9:10am Jan 7, 2025 9:10am
Quoting here2there
{quote}That's not to imply Eurorally is just looking for attention. However, he has put himself in a difficult situation where he now has to produce the receipts to back up his claim. I think the best thing to do is to avoid boasting about win rate, and to be respectful to forum members who show themselves to be respectful to others. As for bullies like the one I mentioned above who got booted out of here, they don't deserve respect.
Dear here2 there: I was only trying to show you what we do. I want to add that my 88-year old wife has done somewhat better than what I described to you.

I am not trying to sell anything and I do not have to prove anything either to myself, to you or to anybody else. I will agree that there are many people, including on this forum, who are taking about something that does not exist, talking without understanding the subject and without having any results of their trading to speak off.

In that regard, most of this discussion may be useless and futile. I wish you all the best.
  • #93
  • Jan 7, 2025 9:14am Jan 7, 2025 9:14am
Quoting dempire1
{quote} I’m expressing my suspicion against FF member(s) but I also back it up with good reasons. Let me make a summary about T721: 1. He spreads pdf-s which have advertising to “gutus” instagrams. 2. He lures people to telegram group 3. he subscribes daily to random members on FF 4. Systems he advertises doesn’t yield any profits to any members on his own thread on FF nor telegram. Kevin is the most fresh example, hes been with him for 6-8 weeks. 5. T721 claims making profits for over 20 years but no proof only hearsay. These are all facts. I didn’t...
1. He spreads pdf-s which have advertising to “gutus” instagrams. I ASKED TWEE B4 POSTING PDFs, BOOKS ETC AND HE GAVE ME THE OK

2. He lures people to telegram group 3. I DONT LURE ANYBOD I INVITE THEM AND THEN ITS UPTO THEM IF THEY WANNA JOIN.... IN TELEGRAM ALL I DO IS SHOW HOW I TRADE>>> HOW TO GET ACCURATE TARGETS AND THE PARAMETERS OF THE TRADE ...... AND NO, THEY AINT GONNA PICK IT UP IN 2 or 3 MNTHS

3. he subscribes daily to random members on FF YOU REALLY SHOULD DO SOMETHING MORE PRODUCTIVE WITH YOUR TIME.... MAYBE TRY TRADING

I speculated that T721 might be from Nigeria ...... EDINBURGH AS I ALREADY SAID.... JUST NEXT TO NIGERIA

anyway the offer is still there if you want and to anyone else...... Maybe then after a few weeks you will be able to make an informed decision as to wether am a SCAMMER
  • #94
  • Jan 7, 2025 9:18am Jan 7, 2025 9:18am
Quoting T721
{quote} 1. He spreads pdf-s which have advertising to “gutus” instagrams. I ASKED TWEE B4 POSTING PDFs, BOOKS ETC AND HE GAVE ME THE OK 2. He lures people to telegram group 3. I DONT LURE ANYBOD I INVITE THEM AND THEN ITS UPTO THEM IF THEY WANNA JOIN.... IN TELEGRAM ALL I DO IS SHOW HOW I TRADE>>> HOW TO GET ACCURATE TARGETS AND THE PARAMETERS OF THE TRADE ...... AND NO, THEY AINT GONNA PICK IT UP IN 2 or 3 MNTHS 3. he subscribes daily to random members on FF YOU REALLY SHOULD DO SOMETHING MORE PRODUCTIVE WITH YOUR TIME.... MAYBE TRY TRADING ...

AND PS ...... I SELL NOTHING. NEVER HAVE. NEVER WILL

PDFs are there for help and reference to any who are starting out and need it... nothing more nothing less... MAKE OF IT WHAT YOU WILL

AND ASK THE NEW MOD IF TWEE OKEYD THE PDFs AS I CANT GO BACK FAR ENOUGH ON MY DMS WITH HIM TO POST HERE
  • #95
  • Jan 7, 2025 9:19am Jan 7, 2025 9:19am
Quoting T721
{quote} AND PS ...... I SELL NOTHING. NEVER HAVE. NEVER WILL PDFs are there for help and reference to any who are starting out and need it... nothing more nothing less... MAKE OF IT WHAT YOU WILL AND ASK THE NEW MOD IF TWEE OKEYD THE PDFs AS I CANT GO BACK FAR ENOUGH ON MY DMS WITH HIM TO POST HERE
ANYWHOOO....... back to my trades...... THATS ALL FOLKS, NOTHING TO SEE HERE
  • #96
  • Jan 7, 2025 9:21am Jan 7, 2025 9:21am
Quoting T721
{quote} 1. He spreads pdf-s which have advertising to “gutus” instagrams. I ASKED TWEE B4 POSTING PDFs, BOOKS ETC AND HE GAVE ME THE OK 2. He lures people to telegram group 3. I DONT LURE ANYBOD I INVITE THEM AND THEN ITS UPTO THEM IF THEY WANNA JOIN.... IN TELEGRAM ALL I DO IS SHOW HOW I TRADE>>> HOW TO GET ACCURATE TARGETS AND THE PARAMETERS OF THE TRADE ...... AND NO, THEY AINT GONNA PICK IT UP IN 2 or 3 MNTHS 3. he subscribes daily to random members on FF YOU REALLY SHOULD DO SOMETHING MORE PRODUCTIVE WITH YOUR TIME.... MAYBE TRY TRADING ...
Hi T721

Since you’ve been caught lying before please post a screenshot of the message where Twee agreed upon it.

Why are you so eager to invite people to telegram?(advertising)
Why are you subbing to people daily? (Advertising)
Why can’t you prove your trading results?

Can we all get clear answers please?
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  • #97
  • Jan 7, 2025 9:23am Jan 7, 2025 9:23am
Quoting here2there
It's getting ugly in here! Let's be respectful of one another. This thread was not created with the intent to call people out in it and make accusations against FF members. I was making a specific point. Unfortunately, some people have taken it in the wrong direction. I have requested for the thread to be deleted. I'm not sure the moderators will grant my request, but I think it is for the best that this thread be removed. Let's stay focused and positive.
Its noy UGLY pal... its to be expected in FF. I enjoyed reading this thread and it was quite good for keeping the arguements in one place inteada clogging up other threads. Great effort by you i thought
  • #98
  • Jan 7, 2025 9:24am Jan 7, 2025 9:24am
Quoting dempire1
{quote} Hi T721 Since you’ve been caught lying before please post a screenshot of the message where Twee agreed upon it. Why are you so eager to invite people to telegram?(advertising) Why are you subbing to people daily? (Advertising) Why can’t you prove your trading results? Can we all get clear answers please?
Can we all get clear answers please? No cant be bothered, go learn how to trade
  • #99
  • Jan 7, 2025 9:30am Jan 7, 2025 9:30am
O shit, T721 is here, this thread is really really binned now.
  • #100
  • Jan 7, 2025 9:32am Jan 7, 2025 9:32am
Quoting driven18
O shit, T721 is here, this thread is really really binned now.
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