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  • #61
  • Jan 6, 2025 5:49pm Jan 6, 2025 5:49pm
Quoting dempire1
{quote} Hi Why not open live trading explorer to save time? Or link to other similar software?
The idea being discussed revolved around posting live trades. A trade explorer would show that I can trade, not how I trade. I'm not here to prove anything, but the discussion was aimed at showing real-time trading. Perhaps I misread the room. If so, I withdraw the offer. Sorry to interrupt whatever it is you guys are doing here. But if anyone wants to trade, let me know. BTW, I could fake a trade explorer, so anyone who relies on that piece of technology to prove integrity in trading skills is foolish. The only way is to put yourself on the line here, real-time.
  • #62
  • Jan 6, 2025 6:09pm Jan 6, 2025 6:09pm
Quoting GEfx
{quote} The idea being discussed revolved around posting live trades. A trade explorer would show that I can trade, not how I trade. I'm not here to prove anything, but the discussion was aimed at showing real-time trading. Perhaps I misread the room. If so, I withdraw the offer. Sorry to interrupt whatever it is you guys are doing here. But if anyone wants to trade, let me know. BTW, I could fake a trade explorer, so anyone who relies on that piece of technology to prove integrity in trading skills is foolish. The only way is to put yourself on...
hi mate , first you give them 10 trades then they ask for 100 the they ask you to sent the proof then ask for 2 years of trades and then the haters come and then the trade explorer then the emails get in the hundreds then they say can you trade for me then they say i will pay you to manage there account , then give you a sob story when you say no then more haters come and the list goes on and on very admirable you started this thread kindest regards
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  • #63
  • Jan 6, 2025 6:15pm Jan 6, 2025 6:15pm
Quoting Danger-Mouse
{quote} NO....It's not enough to just ask to see an 80% win rate. It means NOTHING on it's own. Like I said before, an 80% win rate does not mean someone is profitable. You'd be much better asking for their AVERAGE PROFIT per trade over 100 trades. Someone can Scalp the DAX for 10 pips profit with a 50 pip SL. If they take 10 trades and win 80% of the time that's 80 pips. I don't need to tell you what the other 20% of trades resulted in. EDIT...so after the maths we have +80 pips and -100 pips giving a total profit of -20. So the AVERAGE PROFIT...
You are missing the point, and I don't have the time to help you understand it. But here is a clue for you: If they are bragging about their win rate, then that means they must want us to believe they are profitable traders. Otherwise, what sense is there in bragging?
Learn from your mistakes and march on.
  • #64
  • Jan 6, 2025 6:23pm Jan 6, 2025 6:23pm
Quoting Aussi
{quote} hi mate , first you give them 10 trades then they ask for 100 the they ask you to sent the proof then ask for 2 years of trades and then the haters come and then the trade explorer then the emails get in the hundreds then they say can you trade for me then they say i will pay you to manage there account , then give you a sob story when you say no then more haters come and the list goes on and on very admirable you started this thread kindest regards
This has happened several times to me, minus the trade explorer (I would never do that, for anyone). I have mentioned several times that I trade with a group of forex traders, now numbering over 200 (over 75% are former and current bond traders in the US). We share research and market analysis and must maintain a minimum level of trading performance each quarter to stay a member of the group. I sell nothing, I rarely respond to emails, and I never talk about win rates, etc. I have chased PeterCaleb and Ochiwaawaa around FF to help reduce the shit stain that comes from fakes and frauds, which is a major theme of this thread. I also have posted my trades and analysis on various threads here, but it seems I am not welcome here. And I agree with you, the path forward seems pretty clear. Time to move on, and best wishes to everyone here for a prosperous 2025.
  • #65
  • Jan 6, 2025 6:36pm Jan 6, 2025 6:36pm
Quoting GEfx
{quote} This has happened several times to me, minus the trade explorer (I would never do that, for anyone). I have mentioned several times that I trade with a group of forex traders, now numbering over 200 (over 75% are former and current bond traders in the US). We share research and market analysis and must maintain a minimum level of trading performance each quarter to stay a member of the group. I sell nothing, I rarely respond to emails, and I never talk about win rates, etc. I have chased PeterCaleb and Ochiwaawaa around FF to help reduce...
you to mate FF is lucky to have you
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  • #66
  • Jan 6, 2025 6:43pm Jan 6, 2025 6:43pm
Quoting BWilliam
{quote} Hi GEfx, long time. I agree. Showing how to trade real time is more important than the account. In real time we can access the knowledge, skill that the trader displays. At the same time if the purpose is to teach some trading strategy people can learn the nuances which can be difficult to explain other than in real time. As to why I say 10 trades is enough, experience traders can see if the trader trades what he preaches. It's not about lucky trades rather it's about trading what you told others the way you trade. Another reason is, unless...
Hi BWilliam. Hope you are doing well, and Happy New Year. As for 10 trades, if I were here trading for two or three days, I'd be lucky to place 4 trades, so 10 is over a week's work for me. BTW, I just spent a week in Brisbane and had a great time. Beautiful country and definitely ate too much. Good trading!
  • #67
  • Jan 6, 2025 7:07pm Jan 6, 2025 7:07pm
Quoting BWilliam
{quote} The reality on FF is if you don't teach them how you trade you get hated. Speaking from real experience. Cheers
me to mate
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  • #68
  • Jan 6, 2025 7:48pm Jan 6, 2025 7:48pm
Quoting BWilliam
{quote} The reality on FF is if you don't teach them how you trade you get hated. Speaking from real experience. Cheers
The reality on FF, 95% of the traders for years look for different indicators to enter a trade. Entries are mostly meaningless.

5% of successful traders know that it is all in Money Management and controlling MiundFuck(Fear and Greed).
  • #69
  • Edited 8:43pm Jan 6, 2025 8:08pm | Edited 8:43pm
Here is my personal observations and assigned percentages of the importance in the trading business and years I spent working on it:

10% Entry - (spend 3 years on it)- not profitable
40% MM - (spend next 4 years on it) - not making enough, breaking even but starting to see the light
50% MindFuck (Fear and Greed)- (spend all together 7 years taming these feelings)

10 years as I am full time in this business, last 3 years live, covered previous years losses and very profitable.

I been preaching(not teaching, never opened a thread), 10/40/50 for awhile,

95% of the traders will skip that boring 90% part and will go look for a different indicators and entries.

Why am I here? Trading is the best business and my greatest hobby. How lucky can one get!
  • #70
  • Jan 6, 2025 8:25pm Jan 6, 2025 8:25pm
Quoting BWilliam
{quote} The good part of trading is the money. The bad part of trading is trading itself. It steals our time. Before you know it the trader has lost a large part of his life trading for the money. Imagine 10 yrs learning the ropes and research. Plus another 10 years actual trading. That's 20yrs gone. And more if you trade more than a decade. There's a better way to this. Trade for a preset number of years. Or teach someone else, get them to trade your account. They pay the time collecting. Example, your kids. We paid time in research. Cheers
After 7 years of "relentless education", I enjoy my time trading from different parts of the world now, as I said, it is a greatest business, where one have only one overhead and dependency - him/herself.
  • #71
  • Jan 6, 2025 11:56pm Jan 6, 2025 11:56pm
Quoting GEfx
{quote} The idea being discussed revolved around posting live trades. A trade explorer would show that I can trade, not how I trade. I'm not here to prove anything, but the discussion was aimed at showing real-time trading. Perhaps I misread the room. If so, I withdraw the offer. Sorry to interrupt whatever it is you guys are doing here. But if anyone wants to trade, let me know. BTW, I could fake a trade explorer, so anyone who relies on that piece of technology to prove integrity in trading skills is foolish. The only way is to put yourself on...
It’s a general discussion and thanks for the answer. Idea of trading explorer is to use technology for you aka automation. Save time. It will show you entries, exits, stops and lots extras. Anyone manipulating trading explorer is easily spotted, anyone manipulating live trade calls isn’t because you don’t really know whether person really entered a trade or not.

Just curious how would you fake a trade explorer?
How to succeed in zero sum game?
  • #72
  • Jan 7, 2025 12:52am Jan 7, 2025 12:52am
Quoting driven18
Here is my personal observations and assigned percentages of the importance in the trading business and years I spent working on it: 10% Entry - (spend 3 years on it)- not profitable 40% MM - (spend next 4 years on it) - not making enough, breaking even but starting to see the light 50% MindFuck (Fear and Greed)- (spend all together 7 years taming these feelings) 10 years as I am full time in this business, last 3 years live, covered previous years losses and very profitable. I been preaching(not teaching, never opened a thread), 10/40/50 for awhile,...
Hi Driven 18.
This is a very good post.
I've been trading on and off for around 12 years now, and have reached the break even stage.
I could have been at this stage a lot earlier, but trading has to be balanced with work and family life.
I am working on my MM now as have realised that this is the most important part of the trading jigsaw.
As mentioned earlier in this thread I have lost the fear and greed side of trading, and always feel comfortable in my trades, whether the trade is in profit or loss, because I am in control of these trades.
Trading without fear and greed did not happen overnight, and have worked many years on this.
Kind regards
Kev
  • #73
  • Jan 7, 2025 2:17am Jan 7, 2025 2:17am
Quoting here2there
{quote} You are missing the point, and I don't have the time to help you understand it. But here is a clue for you: If they are bragging about their win rate, then that means they must want us to believe they are profitable traders. Otherwise, what sense is there in bragging?
To be honest, I think YOU are missing the point. Bragging about high percentage win rates is a classic ploy to catch newbies out. It's as old as the hills. Of course they want us to believe that high win rate means big profits. You have been here 5 years with over 5000 posts. You surely must know (like I'm sure the other posters on this thread do) that win rate, on it's own, is useless.

Like Bernie Madoff, Jeffrey Epstein, Allen Stanford etc...people will always find a way to get the unsuspecting to part with their money. You won't stop them. They might have trouble skinning the same folk twice, but then a new generation of newbies comes along and it's game on again.

"If it looks too good to be true, it probably is"

Good luck with your trading.
  • #74
  • Jan 7, 2025 3:34am Jan 7, 2025 3:34am
Nobody mentioned Trader Tom yet? He trades live almost every day.

Here he slams the critics and presents his 2025 plans.

https://www.youtube.com/live/YWwMm5O2xN8?si=ECa_gyL6YLzmqvgA

It takes a lot for me to IGNORE you, but you can try.
  • #75
  • Jan 7, 2025 3:50am Jan 7, 2025 3:50am
WonderfulTrade - never trust this guy, he's got Telegram group, which attracts people into his scam. His results in myfxbook are completely fake, don't ever trust this guy, it will fool you and lose all your money.
  • #76
  • Jan 7, 2025 4:04am Jan 7, 2025 4:04am
Quoting dempire1
{quote} It’s a general discussion and thanks for the answer. Idea of trading explorer is to use technology for you aka automation. Save time. It will show you entries, exits, stops and lots extras. Anyone manipulating trading explorer is easily spotted, anyone manipulating live trade calls isn’t because you don’t really know whether person really entered a trade or not. Just curious how would you fake a trade explorer?
This is not a general thread. This is primarily an informer thread.
Three people are called liars... without providing any evidence for this in this thread.
Ongoing confusion on the part of the thread starter, as I know him so far.
  • #77
  • Jan 7, 2025 4:18am Jan 7, 2025 4:18am
Quoting Isabella_D
{quote} This is not a general thread. This is primarily an informer thread. Three people are called liars... without providing any evidence for this in this thread. Ongoing confusion on the part of the thread starter, as I know him so far.
Who are called liars without evidence?
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  • #78
  • Jan 7, 2025 5:17am Jan 7, 2025 5:17am
Quoting dempire1
{quote} Who are called liars without evidence?
Hi Dempire.
You have got it 100% wrong with T721.
Is it possible you have got it wrong with the other 2 ?
In T721s case you were welcomed into the telegram channel on several occasions, but you refused. this was done so that you could then give an honest review on T721 on this thread, instead of your speculation.
I am really not trying to inflame the situation here, but I find it a little disparaging that anyone seems to come onto social media, then with pure speculation, crucify someone who only guilty of trying to help struggling traders as myself.
T721 started a thread on FF called New cable thread and other pairs in April 2024.
In this thread T721 has given litarally hundreds of charts before the fact. T721 also was always eager to jump onto a Zoom channel with any trader at a minutes notice to help them. this has all been done for free.
This thread can easily be checked out.
Kind regards
Kev
  • #79
  • Jan 7, 2025 5:29am Jan 7, 2025 5:29am
Quoting kevin1959
{quote} Hi Dempire. You have got it 100% wrong with T721. Is it possible you have got it wrong with the other 2 ? In T721s case you were welcomed into the telegram channel on several occasions, but you refused. this was done so that you could then give an honest review on T721 on this thread, instead of your speculation. I am really not trying to inflame the situation here, but I find it a little disparaging that anyone seems to come onto social media, then with pure speculation, crucify someone who only guilty of trying to help struggling traders...
Cool story but facts remains a facts. Nobody makes profits.

I don’t want to repeat myself. All the information with proof is out there posted. If there is anything specific that you feel is missing please ask quoting what is missing otherwise refer back to previous posts where everything is layered out and mentioned what was a SPECULATION and what isn’t speculation. You are starting to twist the facts with claiming that everything is speculated by me which is wrong.

Have a great trading journey.
How to succeed in zero sum game?
  • #80
  • Jan 7, 2025 5:42am Jan 7, 2025 5:42am
Quoting dempire1
{quote} Cool story but facts remains a facts. Nobody makes profits. I don’t want to repeat myself. All the information with proof is out there posted. If there is anything specific that you feel is missing please ask quoting what is missing otherwise refer back to previous posts where everything is layered out and mentioned what was a SPECULATION and what isn’t speculation. You are starting to twist the facts with claiming that everything is speculated by me which is wrong. Have a great trading journey.
Hi Dempire.
All you have to do is go on to the new cable thread and other pairs.
Show one instance on this thread where you think anyone hads been decieved by T721 it is 559 pages long, then come back here and give an unbiased opinion as to whether tou still think T721 is a liar and a thief as you have called him on this thread.
Sorry if you think I am twisting the facts as this is not my intention.
You also have a great trading journey
Kind regards
Kev
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