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  • #21
  • Jan 5, 2025 4:02am Jan 5, 2025 4:02am
Quoting dempire1
{quote} Hi Kevin 1. Why are you “learning” from T721 if you’re not making money? What are you learning there then? 2. Flaming is wrong usage of words. By fact T721 acts as either advertiser or a teacher here on FF. How come he can’t open trading explorer to prove his credibility? Claiming 20 years of profitability, shouldn’t be hard. If he can’t why is he trying so hard to subscribe and advertise his telegram group to “help” others but seeing on you yourself he hasn’t helped you within 6-8 weeks and you still don’t make any money and you don’t even...
Hi dempire
Without going around in circles I have explained all this in my last message to you, but thank you for the reply. I do think if anyone else reads my message it will be clear to them also.
I am not a kind of person who rushes in to things. I come from an engineering background, and have been taught to think things through thoroughly before any action from a very early stage.
T721 has helped me immensely with my G/J trade because I can take the bits I have learned and still learning to put in targets, once I get this trade in to profit then I can start in the middle of January implementing T721s trading ideas. Before I go any further I need to make it clear that T721 does not know anything about this trade. I should think that most people who reads T721s posts dont think of him as a teacher, he posts his plans on charts, and gives his opinion on what he thinks will happen. This is exactley what he does on his telegram channel where anyone can ask about the trades they are in without the distraction that goes on here. You used to do the same as T721 before all this negativity you are now showing.
I've not asked for any help with my G/J trade on the telegram channel because it will eventually be in profit. If I get time later I will try and post a chart on this site.
My view is that traders on FF who have been at this for years enjoy trading, and it does eventually get in to your mind just to get into a trade that you feel comfortable with then get out if that turns into an incomfortable one. I am still comfortable with my G/J trade and still have plenty of money to buy or sell.

You put an interesting post on the GBU/USD thread post 849,794. After you had finished ridiculing everyone you said
Or
Learn
Use actual brain
Solve problems
what is real support and demand etc etc and more to come. I wont go on , but if anyone wants to read the post they can pick it up
This was posted on the 31st Dec but yet again up until now you have shown nothing.
You have been asked by T721 to join the Telegram channel. There is a good chance that T721 is going to do a live one tonight before the market opens around 6pm uk time I think 8pm your time, then come back on here and give an honest opinion, but once again it is very clear and obvious with the wriggling and squirming that you are doing to back out of this request. It is nonsense to think anyone can steal your data this is just another lame excuse by you because you don't want to be proved wrong. Get from behind that key board and join us with your trade ideas if you are to frightened to post them on here.
I don't know if you have read the post by BlackNapkin but it is a very good post
Kind regards
Kev
  • #22
  • Jan 5, 2025 4:38am Jan 5, 2025 4:38am
Quoting kevin1959
{quote} Hi dempire Without going around in circles I have explained all this in my last message to you, but thank you for the reply. I do think if anyone else reads my message it will be clear to them also. I am not a kind of person who rushes in to things. I come from an engineering background, and have been taught to think things through thoroughly before any action from a very early stage. T721 has helped me immensely with my G/J trade because I can take the bits I have learned and still learning to put in targets, once I get this trade in to...
Hi Kevin

As somebody who is coming from an engineering and watching how you solve problems makes me question are you from engineering background at all. Engineering doesn't work on hearsay. Engineers solve problems using math for example. T721 charting is math?

"have been taught to think things through thoroughly before any action from a very early stage" -
What is liquidity and liquidity pools? You as "engineer" should be able to comprehend that a chart with candlestick charts isn't a liquidity pool or liquidity, why?
Forex trades on what kind of market?
Can we see order book for forex market?
How is candlestick bar plotted on a chart?
...
What kind of engineering background you have exactly if you don't even use your skills to define problems and solving them breaking down market to pieces and working with facts not hearsay?

Facts are:
1. You don't make consistent profits using T721 knowledge.
2. T721 who claims 20+ years of profitability (hearsay) doesn't make profits because system doesn't work (proven by almost everybody here).
3. Luring into telegram group

Solve the facts and don't twist the facts with stories. It's really that simple.

I used Technical analysis, "liquidity", ICT, SMC and all that crap and didn't find any profitability because it doesn't work. Anybody claiming they are making like T721, show me and everybody else REAL PROOF not drawings on charts. If can't then statistics are not lying that 90%+ are losing money.

Until then it should be considered a waste of time using T721 knowledge to earn profits in forex markets.

At the end I don't care who takes this advice or not. Smart people learn from other people mistakes. I made a mistake and I openly talk about it.

Best Regards
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  • #23
  • Jan 5, 2025 6:54am Jan 5, 2025 6:54am
Quoting dempire1
{quote} Hi Kevin As somebody who is coming from an engineering and watching how you solve problems makes me question are you from engineering background at all. Engineering doesn't work on hearsay. Engineers solve problems using math for example. T721 charting is math? "have been taught to think things through thoroughly before any action from a very early stage" - What is liquidity and liquidity pools? You as "engineer" should be able to comprehend that a chart with candlestick charts isn't a liquidity pool or liquidity, why? Forex trades on what...
Hi Dempire
I think we have to draw this to its end as BlackNapkin has said this will only become a war of words.
Yes. I come from an engineering background I worked for a big bus company in the uk in the engineering department. I worked there for 49 years and after my apprenticeship I ran the paint and bodyshop for 40 years. I also worked closely with the fitters electricians etc. I did explain in my previous post how I read all the news coming out of japan and it is likley they will put interest rates up in the near future. In Oct the yen got shored up by $140 Billion. We had a budget in the UK in Oct and this has hit the country hard, so I am expecting the uk pound to fall. With this in mind I am expecting the G/J to fall. When volume picks up in the middle of the year I will buy the dips and sell the highs this is what I mean about thinking things through. what do you call it if this is not planning ? I dont just blindly hang on to trades without checking the background
Can you show an example of your math based trading please? I use fibs pivots moving averages etc these are all based on maths as far as I know, but I am willing to learn more from you.
Trading has never been an exact science and as you have said in the GBP/USD thread you have to know where the real support and resistance so please show it on this thread.
No one is trying to lure anyone to a telegram channel everyone has a choice. you have been invited to the channel to show transparency as you keep attacking T721 with nothing but mere speculation. there are thousands of traders on FF, and there is no other person trying to inflame this apart from you. Do you ever stop and wonder why? You are probably right 90% percent of traders are losing money, but that leaves 10% making money or in my case breaking even. I dont know off hand how many traders are on FF but lets assume 2000 using my maths skills that I aquired from my engineering background that means 200 traders are in profit or breaking even. I follow probably as a ball park figure around 30 traders on FF and it is amazing what you can learn. Now that I am retired and not working 60hr weeks hopefully I can put into practice what I have learned from these very generous Traders who have given their time to help people like myself this includes T721.
I do understand how frustrating trading can be, and in the future I will only use 1% of my money on anyone trade. I think on my G/J trade I have used around 30% but I am comfortable with that.
I do hope you change your mind with the Telegram channel as T721 is talking about closing it down mid January, so he can concentrate on his own trading. There is some very usefull videos on the channel in my opinion anyway.
All I can say is don't give up. you have 8 years experience that is a lot to lose.
If you dont like the way a trader trades, just move on without trying to create a scene all the time.
Thank you for reading this, and wish you well in your trading
Kind regards
Kev
  • #24
  • Jan 5, 2025 8:26am Jan 5, 2025 8:26am
Quoting kevin1959
{quote} Hi Dempire I think we have to draw this to its end as BlackNapkin has said this will only become a war of words. Yes. I come from an engineering background I worked for a big bus company in the uk in the engineering department. I worked there for 49 years and after my apprenticeship I ran the paint and bodyshop for 40 years. I also worked closely with the fitters electricians etc. I did explain in my previous post how I read all the news coming out of japan and it is likley they will put interest rates up in the near future. In Oct the yen...
Hi Kevin

The topic of this thread is different and goal for this thread was to save other traders time.

You started trading at 2016 and you were trying to trade 4 years prior to 2016. Do you make consistent profits trading forex from 2012?

It's 2025... What have you done from 2012 to 2025? You have fell to the same pit from 2012 and you as engineer haven't been able to understand where the problem is. And to this day you can't understand where the problem is.

I fell into this pit for 1.5 years when I entered trading industry. Hype and my own stupidity led me to it. The difference between me and you is I understand where the problem is. Because I have experience with T721 style of trading and I asked him straight "Do you make profits?" He claimed to be profitable for 20 years. I continued asking questions but the answers were worse than a third grader would give and knowledge about markets is as good as every fake guru there is in this industry - conclusion? lose money. He haven't provided any REAL evidence of his claims but plays same stupid hide and seek game like the rest of the industry clowns.

Summary:

You are a mere example of trying to make it from 2012 but haven't been able but you consistently find new Technical analysis "guru" to teach you how to trade instead of applying yourself and understanding how the market really works, what is real liquidity, market making, spread forecasting, supply and demand (not candlestick, real money, real participants), automation etc. Imagine how much time you would've saved if more people had balls to talk honestly about their trading performance.

It's ok to make mistakes one time. But continuing making same mistake(s) over and over is self sabotage.

to whom it may concern
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  • #25
  • Jan 5, 2025 8:26am Jan 5, 2025 8:26am
Quoting kevin1959
When volume picks up in the middle of the year
Just short remark
As an engineer you probably know some programming language.
It should not be a problem for you to check and qualify/quantify the statements you see on internet/from 'educators' etc. about forex.
Does volume really correlate with candle rage or body or swings? Is it seasonal?

I look at the scatter plot of GU volume against range and.. it offers limited to no utility..
Air force
  • #26
  • Jan 5, 2025 8:48am Jan 5, 2025 8:48am
Quoting W0lfram
{quote} Just short remark As an engineer you probably know some programming language. It should not be a problem for you to check and qualify/quantify the statements you see on internet/from 'educators' etc. about forex. Does volume really correlate with candle rage or body or swings? Is it seasonal? I look at the scatter plot of GU volume against range and.. it offers limited to no utility..
Hi W0lfram
I have already explained in a previous post.
I worked IN Engineering. I ran the paint and body side.
I have no idea at all about programming, but I do know how to use a paint brush, spray gun. a screwdriver, and a hammer lol
Kind regards
Kev
  • #27
  • Jan 5, 2025 8:59am Jan 5, 2025 8:59am
Quoting kevin1959
{quote} Hi W0lfram I have already explained in a previous post. I worked IN Engineering. I ran the paint and body side. I have no idea at all about programming, but I do know how to use a paint brush, spray gun. a screwdriver, and a hammer lol Kind regards Kev
Oh. I can't read lol

Then backtesting manually becomes harder and time consuming
Air force
  • #28
  • Jan 5, 2025 9:05am Jan 5, 2025 9:05am
Quoting dempire1
{quote} Hi Kevin The topic of this thread is different and goal for this thread was to save other traders time. You started trading at 2016 and you were trying to trade 4 years prior to 2016. Do you make consistent profits trading forex from 2012? It's 2025... What have you done from 2012 to 2025? You have fell to the same pit from 2012 and you as engineer haven't been able to understand where the problem is. And to this day you can't understand where the problem is. I fell into this pit for 1.5 years when I entered trading industry. Hype and my...
I think you are doing what you always do you take little snippets to try and justify yourself.
If you have read my post properly you will have seen that I have said that I have been trading for about 15 years, and that I am a break even trader. originally I was losing money hand over fist but now I dont I break even. To be honest you have cheered me up with this post as I have only been at this for Thirteen years and not the Fiveteen that I thought. Thank you for showing that.
Now that I am not working I am hoping to go from break even to in profit, and I have just been given an extra 2 yyears to do that. It baffles me why you won't submit anything about trading on this thread, just to show everone how stupid we are and doing everything wrong.
If I was making the same mistakes over and over again then I would be skint by now, and not breaking even thanks to traders on FF.
What you are forgetting its your credibility that has gone on this thread just like the other threads you infest.
Kind regards
Kev
  • #29
  • Jan 5, 2025 9:20am Jan 5, 2025 9:20am
Quoting dempire1
{quote} Hi Kevin As somebody who is coming from an engineering and watching how you solve problems makes me question are you from engineering background at all. Engineering doesn't work on hearsay. Engineers solve problems using math for example. T721 charting is math? "have been taught to think things through thoroughly before any action from a very early stage" - What is liquidity and liquidity pools? You as "engineer" should be able to comprehend that a chart with candlestick charts isn't a liquidity pool or liquidity, why? Forex trades on what...
Hi, I've been reading what you did there on the sterling thread. My fullest respect. To nubcake, Wolfram, trump's, ferna if I remember the names. Good job.

It takes courage and a sense of community responsibility to call out the bullshite. Altruistic. You heroes have my silent support in the background.

Cheers
Know what you trade
  • #30
  • Jan 5, 2025 9:27am Jan 5, 2025 9:27am
Quoting W0lfram
{quote} Oh. I can't read lol Then backtesting manually becomes harder and time consuming
Hi Wolfram
No worries
I was thinking the other day about this and probably way off the mark.
I was thinking about comparing one daily candle to another, but looking at the speed they move, for instance when a wick forms how quick did price move back into the body. Probably have to drop down to a one minute chart to see this.
If price moves with some speed back in to the body is this the volume that we are looking for?
I understand that price moves at different times for obvious reasons.
When I get time I'll backrest this theory and if I come up with anything useful I'll post it on here, but don't hold your horses lol.
Kind regards
Kev
  • #31
  • Edited 10:00am Jan 5, 2025 9:29am | Edited 10:00am
Quoting here2there
{quote} Demonstrate that you have an 80% win rate out of no less than 100 live trades. And make it known what you are trading, your entry price, and target before placing each trade. That way, it will not be possible for you to fake the trades.
Hi, great thread which is useful to newbies.

It takes 10 live trades to know a traders knowledge and expertise. Just 10 is all it takes.

To all those FF members who want this validation, post 10 live trades. You're good if you do that.

Well, can you imagine reading this bullshite twisted rubbish below. Hey how about start with ONE live trade call. Instead of a wall of bullshite text and a bunch of delinquent mob clicking the "like" button.

I'm not sure about thieves. But it's so easy to spot the LIARS. And there's plenty of them on FF.

The level of outright bullshite and LIES is incredible. Why bother to post anymore ? LIARS reign supreme on FF.

Happy trading in 2025.

Cheers

Quoting bluesteele
Some food for thought from a guy whose made tens of millions(a year) ? ! ...alot of it GASP trading the 2min TF... and sorry cant be bothered to change it all to small font..Copy and pasted as is..... Now lets see what Lance has to say about Hindsight in trading. Lance Breitstein @TheOneLanceB 1:30 PM · Dec 19, 2024 (https://x.com/TheOneLanceB/status/1869857984693842421) THE BENEFITS OF HINDSIGHT For whatever reason, these posts always tend to trigger a crowd of trolls that say something to the effect of: “BUT BUT… HINDSIGHT!” “WELL DID...
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  • #32
  • Jan 5, 2025 9:49am Jan 5, 2025 9:49am
Quoting BWilliam
{quote} Hi, great thread which is useful to newbies. It takes 10 live trades to know a traders knowledge and expertise. Just 10 is all it takes. To all those FF members who want this validation, post 10 live trades. You're good if you do that. Well, can you imagine reading this bullshite twisted rubbish below. Hey how about start with ONE live trade call. Instead of a wall of bullshite text and a bunch of delinquent mob clicking the "like" button. The level of outright bullshite and LIES is incredible. Why bother to post anymore ? Happy trading...
Hi BWilliam
T721 has already posted a chart on page one of this thread.
hope this helps.
kind regards
Kev
  • #33
  • Jan 5, 2025 9:54am Jan 5, 2025 9:54am
Quoting kevin1959
{quote} Hi BWilliam T721 has already posted a chart on page one of this thread. hope this helps. kind regards Kev
Hi, to be clear, my posts are not specifically referring to T721. I was writing in general my observations in silence over many years.

To undo all the suspicion and accusations of lack of credibility the solution is simple. Very simple.

Post 10 live trade calls. No delay in posting trade calls. Zero lag.
It's that easy.

Cheers
Know what you trade
  • #34
  • Jan 5, 2025 10:03am Jan 5, 2025 10:03am
Quoting BWilliam
{quote} Hi, to be clear, my posts are not specifically referring to T721. I was writing in general my observations in silence over many years. To undo all the suspicion and accusations of lack of credibility the solution is simple. Very simple. Post 10 live trade calls. No delay in posting trade calls. Zero lag. It's that easy. Cheers
Hi BWilliam
I never thought you were,
Too Slow does something similar on his thread called the Ten trade challenge.
now that I have more time and brave enough I'm going to have a go at it lol
regards
kev
  • #35
  • Jan 5, 2025 10:07am Jan 5, 2025 10:07am
Quoting kevin1959
{quote} I think you are doing what you always do you take little snippets to try and justify yourself. If you have read my post properly you will have seen that I have said that I have been trading for about 15 years, and that I am a break even trader. originally I was losing money hand over fist but now I dont I break even. To be honest you have cheered me up with this post as I have only been at this for Thirteen years and not the Fiveteen that I thought. Thank you for showing that. Now that I am not working I am hoping to go from break even to...
13 years to breakeven, I hope you have all the stats. Imagine if you would've changed your approach on first half a year, a year or 2 year time? Doesn't matter it's never too late.

Question rather is are you going to repeat same mistake(s) over and over? 13 years in S&P500 would yielded you much more profit and without moving a finger. All the money spent on fake gurus and charlatans...

This thread is not about trading but to save time. I have legitimate claim about T721 and his methods, same as Pat Chiko.

Your history of trading, T721s trading and the rest of the folks that he has in telegram group are a mere example of a failing in trading strategy and continuing beating head against the wall. Secondly he subs/unsubs almost daily to different members on FF, why?

My credibility doesn't matter. People who think with their head understand where I come from and what I'm saying. Put 1 + 1 together and you get 2 not 3 like you would like to hear from T721s and rest of charlatans.

Wish you well!
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  • #36
  • Jan 5, 2025 10:16am Jan 5, 2025 10:16am
Quoting dempire1
{quote} 13 years to breakeven, I hope you have all the stats. Imagine if you would've changed your approach on first half a year, a year or 2 year time? Doesn't matter it's never too late. Question rather is are you going to repeat same mistake(s) over and over? 13 years in S&P500 would yielded you much more profit and without moving a finger. All the money spent on fake gurus and charlatans... This thread is not about trading but to save time. I have legitimate claim about T721 and his methods, same as Pat Chiko. Your history of trading, T721s...
Hi Dempire
I'm happy to be a break even trader after trading 13 years.
my trading has been sparodic over this time because of my work commitments.
I wish you well also
kind regards
kev
  • #37
  • Jan 5, 2025 10:18am Jan 5, 2025 10:18am
Quoting BWilliam
{quote} Hi, I've been reading what you did there on the sterling thread. My fullest respect. To nubcake, Wolfram, trump's, ferna if I remember the names. Good job. It takes courage and a sense of community responsibility to call out the bullshite. Altruistic. You heroes have my silent support in the background. Cheers
Hi BWilliam

Thank you for your kind words. It's not easy there are masses of muppets attacking me from all sides. joking joking it's actually not that bad.

Retail trading industry is very fked up and I guess the only way to even provide any "help" is to be honest. It might save people lot of time.

Calling live trades can be a complicated. The best isn't a live picture or post but a trading explorer (or similar software) because anybody can easily write something "shorted here @ 1.1111 stop 20 pips" but in reality didn't do anything(or demo). It's also realistic that the one calling out signals might have 70% win rate on these 10 calls.

If anybody wants to be a guru, be a guru. But be willing to provide real proof. If not we'll going to put you in the .

Have a good one and thank you again for kind words!
How to succeed in zero sum game?
  • #38
  • Jan 5, 2025 12:46pm Jan 5, 2025 12:46pm
Quoting BWilliam
{quote} Hi, great thread which is useful to newbies. It takes 10 live trades to know a traders knowledge and expertise. Just 10 is all it takes. To all those FF members who want this validation, post 10 live trades. You're good if you do that. Well, can you imagine reading this bullshite twisted rubbish below. Hey how about start with ONE live trade call. Instead of a wall of bullshite text and a bunch of delinquent mob clicking the "like" button. I'm not sure about thieves. But it's so easy to spot the LIARS. And there's plenty of them on FF....
Perfect solution, in fact for anyone who opens a new thread, thinking they know something, this should be the criteria, zoom out 10 live trades on a real account with minimal contract size. Hopefully they do have live account .
  • #39
  • Jan 5, 2025 1:11pm Jan 5, 2025 1:11pm
Quoting BWilliam
{quote} Hi, to be clear, my posts are not specifically referring to T721. I was writing in general my observations in silence over many years. To undo all the suspicion and accusations of lack of credibility the solution is simple. Very simple. Post 10 live trade calls. No delay in posting trade calls. Zero lag. It's that easy. Cheers
The problem is they might have a streak of good luck. So in my opinion, 10 live trades is not enough. 100 live trades, on the other hand, will undoubtedly provide proof of a win rate percentage. I doubt there is a person on FF who has a consistent 80% win rate.
Learn from your mistakes and march on.
  • #40
  • Jan 5, 2025 1:44pm Jan 5, 2025 1:44pm
Quoting kevin1959
{quote} Hi BWilliam I never thought you were, Too Slow does something similar on his thread called the Ten trade challenge. now that I have more time and brave enough I'm going to have a go at it lol regards kev
TooSlow ? Really ? He's your hero ?

He is the epitome of a Liar & Thief, so ironic that you mention him here; you can fool some of the people some of the time, I guess.

He has never published even 1 winning trade or result, let alone 10, wow!

If I was allowed to post in his HOLO thread, every time he asks that question, I would ask him to show his 10 trades.

Never happen, that's a sure bet right there.

And have you looked at what he recommends? Take a 2-pip profit? Picking up pennies on the railroad track, you will get run over.

And the proof is that the thread is open 9 years with not one long term supporter, most last a week or two.

Damn, I feel good for a Monday, bring on the critics, let's get this party started.

It takes a lot for me to IGNORE you, but you can try.
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