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  • #561
  • Jan 2, 2025 8:52pm Jan 2, 2025 8:52pm
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Account is 5 months old and Darwin never cuts my trades because I NEVER have more than one position open at a time. My risk adjustment has been at 0.53 for a month without changing.
Than it must be Risk Adjustment(as it is called in Darwinex Classic and can be seen on the screenshot of my account where I trade in the same way as you). Risk Engine cut two of my trades by a approx. 25% because of "excessive leverage".In reality it was deemed excessive leverage because these trades were made in my normal mode but at the time of excessive volatility of the asset I traded at that time. I thought I can handle the volatility using my usual leverage and trading technique,but Risk Engine thought it was too dangerous and gave my leverage very high D-leverage estimates and proceeded with cutting my trades.
That was maybe your case yesterday.Even if some of your assets were not very volatile(I don't know,didn't check),Risk Engine could have treated yesterday as potentially dangerous trading session as you traded stock index on the first trading session after New Year holiday.Your trades seem to be through whole day and some must have been during very low liquidity and Risk Engine takes this in account.
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  • #562
  • Jan 3, 2025 12:45am Jan 3, 2025 12:45am
Quoting Expo33
{quote} Account is 5 months old and Darwin never cuts my trades because I NEVER have more than one position open at a time. My risk adjustment has been at 0.53 for a month without changing.
Even one trade going into an unusual drawdown it will cut the amount of trade value thus when recovery finally comes it will be showing an even greater drawdown, the only way you can make a success of Darwinex is to have less drawdown/leverage on a single trade.
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  • #563
  • Jan 3, 2025 1:00am Jan 3, 2025 1:00am
Quoting BlackOpz
HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ME!! - Ended 2024 with <1% to go to activate my 100K. Just checked for first time time Today and GUESS WHO'S A 100K SUPERHERO!? (even though I'm currently in slight DD on it but we'll discuss that later...). Still plenty of time to earn a couple percent on it this month but I'll have locked in 190K of my DZero 500K goal. Now I need larger allocations on the way to Gold where they're larger and longer lasting than Silver (and where a 'lucky' month can set you up nicely - my xxx jackpot strategy). {image}
Fantastic, well done!!
Pip Goes The Weasel
  • #564
  • Edited 3:25am Jan 3, 2025 3:15am | Edited 3:25am
Quoting OutThere
Here is my statement after 2.5 months. I dumped a bunch of trades on hand at the end in order to make sure I get a green December. I made more than 1%/ mo. Hardly ever dipped below 100K. Maybe a couple of days by less than 1% during the whole time. Most my trades are .01 size. Now the risk engine is at .95 .95 X .01 = what? ZERO It's not allowing even .01 trades. I like to know what fkg harsh trading I've done that after making a consistent 1%/mo and not using margin cause I'm using the gains as my margine, I'm not allowed to place a .01 size trade....
Why are you trading at .01 size on an 100k account anyway? Would it be better less trades but bigger size, I trade at 0.05% of equity so it gives me room to scale in and out and that on Spy is around 0.13 size

If you were trading on a 10k account how would you trade as you cant go any smaller?
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  • #565
  • Jan 3, 2025 3:52am Jan 3, 2025 3:52am
Quoting OutThere
{quote} It doesn't matter how small your trade size is. You are thinking like a trader who is doing props. As you know, a .01 can be multiplied by 100 to make it 1 lot or by 1000 to make it 10 lots. If you are trading 'correctly' and it is evident over a long term, .01 is as good as 10 lots. Other than that, hey I am using martingale. There could be only a few seconds between .01 and 1 lot or more, although I don't let it get there. The downside of that is Darwinex thinks so too. My trading needs nowhere near 100K to produce 3K in 3 months..maybe...
You would be better off trading your own money for those returns, as Darwinex looks for traders who will attract investors. Alternatively have you tried hedging the large drawdowns?
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  • #566
  • Jan 3, 2025 3:59am Jan 3, 2025 3:59am
Quoting OutThere
I like to hear from someone who has had their multiplier increase from under 1 to 4 or 5. How long did it take and what did you do to make it increase? Apparently, all you have to do is trade 'consistantly'. Easy to say when market moves are inconsistant and the 'Exposure Closed' visits with a vengence.
I would be interested in this also, Mine has stayed pretty consistent at around 4.4 for the last 5 months
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  • #567
  • Jan 3, 2025 4:22am Jan 3, 2025 4:22am
Quoting OutThere
Alright. The powers to be have spoken and don't want me to quit or restart. As long as I trade consistantly the multiplier will once again smile shall I be patient. Ok Sirs. I will oblige.
Thats cool!
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  • #568
  • Jan 3, 2025 5:10am Jan 3, 2025 5:10am
@OutThere
OK,no need to post any pictures as you admitted to using some flavor of Martingale technique.You can continue with it in Darwinex,but Risk Engine will always find out no matter how many times you reset your account.As they told you ,it is better to stay with this latest one and continue.You will have Risk profile(VaR%) that such technique deserves and if you have some luck you can achieve multi-year trackrecord-there are a few of such darwins at Darwinex Classic. darwin CKV is the oldest,I think,in 10 years he got a lot of Darwinia allocations,but didn't earn much in commissions.He also got few investors over the years that don't mind sharp DDs and stress.

Maintaining stable Risk profile means maintaining stable VaR% over months,I hope this is shown at DarwinexZero platform.While "holding long grudge" applies to Replication ratio being additionally suppressed because your VaR% was gyrating strongly up and down during previous 6 months(At least such period was look-back period when I studied it). Given your martingale style you cannot do anything about it ,except praying for looong lucky period.

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A lot of traders at Darwinex are hoping to just recover their subscription. The gold, considering how few of them are compared to 8000 competing for it is a pie in the sky. So, that carrot in the short term doesn't work so well.
Darwinia Gold has so few traders in it because people are impatient and think somebody will invest his savings into trading strategy with only 1 or two years of trackrecord,or that right from the start they should have Equity curve with 45 degrees angle ,or that they are able to achieve same results right from beginning as veterans who survived 10 years of trading.
How much is monthly subscription? At the beginning I saw it was less than 40€ a month.If that is too much,than open account with real money ,but than you will pay commissions and swaps and risk your own capital.There is no free lunch,we all pay one way or the other.
But have a look at darwin CKV,this is the best you can hope for your trading,I think. He made some 16k from commissions in Darwinia and his investors during all these years.That's it.

Hedge funds that charge 20% on investor's profits don't give all of that to their traders(employees) who produced profits,don't you think so?
Probably I didn't address all you mentioned.
  • #569
  • Jan 3, 2025 9:59am Jan 3, 2025 9:59am
Quoting EURsniper
{quote} Than it must be Risk Adjustment(as it is called in Darwinex Classic and can be seen on the screenshot of my account where I trade in the same way as you). Risk Engine cut two of my trades by a approx. 25% because of "excessive leverage".In reality it was deemed excessive leverage because these trades were made in my normal mode but at the time of excessive volatility of the asset I traded at that time. I thought I can handle the volatility using my usual leverage and trading technique,but Risk Engine thought it was too dangerous and gave...
Interesting info.

Made one trade today and netted $750. Trade intiated right around market open. Same result. Smaller percentage gain with exact same risk factor. Doesn't matter when I trade, always less percentage gained than my calculation. No big deal, Nothing can stop me from crushing this model

Cracked the top 300 today. Easy to do when I'm competing against demo clowns like "OutThere"
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Pride always comes before destruction.... -Proverbs 16:18
  • #570
  • Jan 3, 2025 10:06am Jan 3, 2025 10:06am
Quoting adrazz
{quote} Even one trade going into an unusual drawdown it will cut the amount of trade value thus when recovery finally comes it will be showing an even greater drawdown, the only way you can make a success of Darwinex is to have less drawdown/leverage on a single trade.
Stop loss is never set to be more than $250 so unusual drawdown isn't ever an issue. My overall drawdown has been less than 1% for the last 4 months
Pride always comes before destruction.... -Proverbs 16:18
  • #571
  • Jan 3, 2025 11:29am Jan 3, 2025 11:29am
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Smaller percentage gain with exact same risk factor. Doesn't matter when I trade, always less percentage gained than my calculation.
I checked on Darwinex Classic's Darwinia site your darwin and then I checked your RA graph(the same graph I posted earlier) and it doesn't show any cuts to your trades.
Your darwin has some 5 months of trading data and it has big and fast rise in VaR% in September and than you dropped the risk substantially and VaR% dropped very fast in December to a third of previous level. Such sudden and fast changes in 6 month period are not very popular with Risk Engine,even if second change represents lowering in your risk.
Now you have ideal Risk level (VaR%),keep it stable now.It doesn't hurt if it rises or falls gently few(1-2%) percentage points over 4-6 weeks.
Your RS score(4.3) is low because of all this,but if you remain stable it will rise over 6-7 and that will be good for Risk Engine and better,more generous replication of your trades.
Since your last big change in Risk was in December,it will probably take 4-6 months of stable Var% for you to get rewarded with much better Replication Ratio.If I remember right you mentioned you have something about 0,53 now and than it will rise over 0,80.
  • #572
  • Jan 3, 2025 11:53am Jan 3, 2025 11:53am
Quoting EURsniper
{quote} I checked on Darwinex Classic's Darwinia site your darwin and then I checked your RA graph(the same graph I posted earlier) and it doesn't show any cuts to your trades. Your darwin has some 5 months of trading data and it has big and fast rise in VaR% in September and than you dropped the risk substantially and VaR% dropped very fast in December to a third of previous level. Such sudden and fast changes in 6 month period are not very popular with Risk Engine,even if second change represents lowering in your risk. Now you have ideal Risk...
Yeah I YOLOed in September thinking I could get paid fatser to avoid paying the sub fees. That's before I found out the performance fees were paid quarterly. Oops.

So my risk was stuck at 0.3 for nearly 2 months. All good now. I have more than enough risk to attain my monthly goals.
Pride always comes before destruction.... -Proverbs 16:18
  • #573
  • Jan 3, 2025 9:25pm Jan 3, 2025 9:25pm
Impressive.

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  • #574
  • Jan 4, 2025 12:00am Jan 4, 2025 12:00am
So, weekend finally I could take a better look at my account.
I gathered my account's charts and overlaid the relevant ones on top of each other.

On top, the white line is my mt4 balance line.
Below it is my signal account equity that no one but me should see.
Below that one in bright green and red is my return chart and ytd return percentage of ,64%, therefore my current quote being 100.64%
At the bottom in red is how much risk I have taken or climbed out of at all different stages.

Due to sizing, some things don't line up but overall, you can see the full picture.
Right now trying to climb out of a .95% risk engine multiplier and the market is slow now as well as the risk engine doesn't quite believe I'm out of danger zone even though I'm holding a +$10 positive dd.

The interesting thing is that it shows on Nov 25, with a rather small dd in equity. the risk presented as deeper. In fact the deepest. Then around December 29 or so when gold dropped, I got a long and deep dd but, the risk is shown to be less. That's on the second bigger dd, I had more money in the pot. So, that means with more money, I could take a bigger risk risk.

So, obviously, no surprise, the more cushion made, the safer the account becomes..if the equity contiues going up.
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  • #575
  • Jan 4, 2025 12:31am Jan 4, 2025 12:31am
This is 7 years old but absolutely worth watching.
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  • #576
  • Jan 4, 2025 5:21am Jan 4, 2025 5:21am
Check my Darwin. Is it better to invest $1000 or pay $38 a month?
https://www.darwinex.com/invest/SIJ?...content=Darius
  • #577
  • Jan 4, 2025 8:36am Jan 4, 2025 8:36am
Quoting Triglav
Check my Darwin. Is it better to invest $1000 or pay $38 a month? https://www.darwinex.com/invest/SIJ?...content=Darius
I would suggest you stick with DZero at least until you're consistent. Why lose real money until that point? DZero is a nice 'trainer' with the upside of funding. As long as you earn a rating >75 you can qualify for funding. This week I was ranked as high as 175 with less than 1% gain thanks to solid consistent trading that Darwinex rewards. So you can see that even with small gains you can profit. When I was at #175 I qualified for 40K (now 35K) on top of my current 90K. - 30K will fall off this month so I'm hoping to replace it with an even larger allocation that lasts for 3-months.
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  • #578
  • Jan 4, 2025 10:07pm Jan 4, 2025 10:07pm
I was pondering my low multiplier how long it's going to increase and suddenly, it' dawned on me that I actually don't mind to be trading at a lower volume at this very time.
Just sitting back, playing a bit..see what happens in ...coming weeks.
so, really no point in getting to high risk activity any way?
  • #579
  • Jan 5, 2025 12:21am Jan 5, 2025 12:21am
My acc. is €996 and I am at 311, rating 78.97,allocation $30000. If my account grows by 2% I will gain around €20 on my cash account and $50000 allocation.
  • #580
  • Edited 4:05am Jan 5, 2025 3:52am | Edited 4:05am
Quoting OutThere
{quote} Dare you say how much is your underlying equity
$4,841.74 profit in 100K MT5. So 4.84% - Trading half-size (trading 50K size). Risk-Ratio 2.39 so its equalizing inside DarwinZero to slightly larger than I would actually trade 100K. I'm gonna leave the lotsize fixed and let Dzero work it out but I'd be doing percent-based lotsize if this was personal funds.
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