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  • #45,441
  • Dec 21, 2024 7:34am Dec 21, 2024 7:34am
Quoting montygoldy
{quote} i am not highly interested in the money they make… but his market analysis is supreme .. live streams trades are profitable…. He milked topstep which is a rival gang and i can account that i have seen most of the profit made on these accounts on live streams
ok, i accept this argument.
but funny all this traders don't have a working real account with long term history. ok , they are gamblers and don't survive long-term, maybe that's one reason. but they could simple trade smaller size to survive.. so looks like they just simple don't have good results to present there.
  • #45,442
  • Dec 21, 2024 8:38am Dec 21, 2024 8:38am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Any legit company should be able to send via bank wire. How these companies send and receive money tells a bit of the story. Same way most of us in here are intelligent enough not to use "crypto only" companies or companies with poorly constructed websites. Must look for the context clues.
I mostly agree, but regarding intelligence and its connection to poorly designed websites, it’s not always true. Bitcoin’s website remained poor for years, yet it is the best coin and the parent of all crypto. The best surgeons are often those who look like mechanics or butchers, not the ones in neat suits with ties. I consider all humans intelligent, except for a small number who are unlucky due to congenital disabilities. Autistic children are even smarter than us in one specific, complex area.
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  • #45,443
  • Dec 21, 2024 9:46am Dec 21, 2024 9:46am
Quoting RoelsMajor
{quote} I mostly agree, but regarding intelligence and its connection to poorly designed websites, it’s not always true. Bitcoin’s website remained poor for years, yet it is the best coin and the parent of all crypto. The best surgeons are often those who look like mechanics or butchers, not the ones in neat suits with ties. I consider all humans intelligent, except for a small number who are unlucky due to congenital disabilities. Autistic children are even smarter than us in one specific, complex area.
Of course, always outliers in everything. Generally speaking, though, if a firm's website is riddled with spelling and gramatical errors, probably best to stay away.
  • #45,444
  • Dec 21, 2024 10:14am Dec 21, 2024 10:14am
Quoting Trader191
{quote} there are so many big brokers that will always pay you.... just choose one and trade the accounts to some million and then pay out. one example interactive brokers. even IG markets and so on will pay so small amounts of 100.000 and even millions (if you dont cheat the broker, like latency arbitrage and so on...), good broker have ecn/stp/a and c book, so they are not in loss with your trades and earn on commission or markup (of course plus interest rate differences, rollover markups , ... and so on too). a broker is no social prop company,...
Thankyou so much, yeah, I need a broker who will earn with me & when I request payout give me payout!!
  • #45,445
  • Edited 12:51pm Dec 21, 2024 11:21am | Edited 12:51pm
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Seems kind of gimmicky to me.......I put in 250K and they provide 5 million "buying power"....I think I can get 20:1 leverage anywhere. Very clever. They're going for the big bucks...they said hold my beer Apex with your $33 evals, watch this........

It is not only about buying power , if you put up minimum 350K , you can trade at reduced exchange member fees , like thefuturesdesk ($2.4 RT for ES) and Apterostrading offer , this makes a huge difference for the scalper type of trader
you should also be able to get a better deal on the commissions

Remember T3 Global is also a broker

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but if you have that kind of money to trade , you can as well lease a seat on the exchange to get those reduced rates..the cost for the lease you dont have to pay if you join them…
  • #45,446
  • Dec 21, 2024 11:29am Dec 21, 2024 11:29am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Of course, always outliers in everything. Generally speaking, though, if a firm's website is riddled with spelling and gramatical errors, probably best to stay away.
Ah, language? Because the writer may not be a native English speaker (UK, US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand), but at least they can speak multiple languages. Outliers depend on the field. In trading, skill doesn’t dominate as much as luck, but of course, people's thoughts may vary.
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  • #45,447
  • Dec 21, 2024 4:53pm Dec 21, 2024 4:53pm
Quoting montygoldy
Man of man….when somebody is doing amazing … we need to acknowledge and appreciate it…… The man the myth- PATRICK WEILAND - true prop firm slayer Mofo - 500k approved for him from apex… he do live accounts trading and pnl on apex… mofo i win some trades by watching his stream… truely profitable real trader:… first he slayed topstep (i feel because of him they changed the rules for max 5k on sim account payout) coz he was going bonkers over there… he also shared how much he made this year from youtuber i.e 70k i guess….. heck i buying his 199$ course….....
  • #45,448
  • Dec 21, 2024 5:33pm Dec 21, 2024 5:33pm
Quoting Trader191
{quote} ok, i accept this argument. but funny all this traders don't have a working real account with long term history. ok , they are gamblers and don't survive long-term, maybe that's one reason. but they could simple trade smaller size to survive.. so looks like they just simple don't have good results to present there.
i have no issues but overall he is profitable even if he blows accounts in the process…. He has shown all bank receipts…
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  • #45,449
  • Dec 21, 2024 5:46pm Dec 21, 2024 5:46pm
Man there is insane money in affiliating these prop firms….


mofo i should become streamer as well…. Only issue is my during nyopen i cant stream publicly coz its my in person job working hours……. In asia session nobody gonna watch
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  • #45,450
  • Dec 21, 2024 6:50pm Dec 21, 2024 6:50pm
Quoting montygoldy
{quote}i have no issues but overall he is profitable even if he blows accounts in the process…. He has shown all bank receipts…
that's my problem with a lot of people. all payments from prop are total worthless, because can be real or total fake and maybe he is doing marketing for them as streamer, so for prop is marketing costs and for him win from commercial as fake win trader. is say not it is like this, but it is so high possibility with streamers.

when he has payments from real big broker in real account, this would be different, with rest you can cheat and scam so easy... and its done so often.
  • #45,451
  • Dec 21, 2024 6:52pm Dec 21, 2024 6:52pm
Quoting montygoldy
Man there is insane money in affiliating these prop firms…. mofo i should become streamer as well…. Only issue is my during nyopen i cant stream publicly coz its my in person job working hours……. In asia session nobody gonna watch
thats my point!!!!! and they take the money and cheat results to promote them in better light...
  • #45,452
  • Dec 21, 2024 9:25pm Dec 21, 2024 9:25pm
Quoting Trader191
{quote} thats my point!!!!! and they take the money and cheat results to promote them in better light...
Possible ... but apex pays for sure.... big bucks i mean coz i been paid nearly 6 figures from them......... Apex is a real deal when it comes to big money......
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  • #45,453
  • Edited 2:04am Dec 22, 2024 12:57am | Edited 2:04am
Mofo alot of forex props coming to futures.... i think its better to milk'em now as they are new before they start scamming.....

Found FuturesElite Promo 30%.....

50k price = 56$... max 5 accounts

80% profit split - these insanely cheap challenges has huge potential - 56$ to return 1500$ with EOD and 2500$ drawdown.... heck i am in...
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  • #45,454
  • Dec 22, 2024 4:56am Dec 22, 2024 4:56am
Quoting montygoldy
{quote} Possible ... but apex pays for sure.... big bucks i mean coz i been paid nearly 6 figures from them......... Apex is a real deal when it comes to big money......
its not about pay for real or not in general (of course this is a big problem too when more and more people win with gambling or hedge prop against other prop or real account), i mean that some people could get marketing contracts with fake payments as paying for the indirect commercial - this fake traders used for marketing (so paying for marketing them fake wins, not as trading results) so i was speaking really only about believing some fake traders/streamers as marketing tool for props.
  • #45,455
  • Dec 22, 2024 5:35am Dec 22, 2024 5:35am
Quoting Stoneyrocks
{quote} googled futureselite but found nothing..
should be there first link … maybe search with futureselite prop firm..
i found then on twitter … prices cheap .. no harm in testing them cheap ones and their forex firm paying so hoping to get a payout fast as they launched couple of weeks ago .. purchased 50kx5 total cost 250$ with earning potential of 7500… lets see plus they are 1 day pass gonna yolo
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  • #45,456
  • Edited 6:52am Dec 22, 2024 6:36am | Edited 6:52am
Quoting montygoldy
{quote} should be there first link … maybe search with futureselite prop firm.. i found then on twitter … prices cheap .. no harm in testing them cheap ones and their forex firm paying so hoping to get a payout fast as they launched couple of weeks ago .. purchased 50kx5 total cost 250$ with earning potential of 7500… lets see plus they are 1 day pass gonna yolo
I am getting too old …futureselite.com
  • #45,457
  • Dec 22, 2024 7:33am Dec 22, 2024 7:33am
Quoting Takisd
{quote} They will pay out and the pro account is what I have. But its slow and the money isnt deducted fast to continue trading. Its like prop from 5 years ago.
Are you still in with E8 pro account? I was thinking of trying it. Looks like the best 1 phase challenge offer by far
  • #45,458
  • Dec 22, 2024 7:50am Dec 22, 2024 7:50am
Quoting Bizziebee
{quote} Are you still in with E8 pro account? I was thinking of trying it. Looks like the best 1 phase challenge offer by far
yes, I like it too but e8 conditions are not good. Have to be careful with the slipage and commissions.
  • #45,459
  • Dec 22, 2024 8:26am Dec 22, 2024 8:26am
Quoting RoelsMajor
{quote} Ah, language? Because the writer may not be a native English speaker (UK, US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand), but at least they can speak multiple languages. Outliers depend on the field. In trading, skill doesn’t dominate as much as luck, but of course, people's thoughts may vary.
What I'm saying is any legit company worth my business will have either a team handling the website including proofreading or atleast take the time to use one of the many tools available online to do it.
These types of errors are either due to it being a one man show and/or so lazy to not put the effort forth.
By all means, use those companies if you wish......I'll pass.
  • #45,460
  • Dec 22, 2024 8:34am Dec 22, 2024 8:34am
Quoting montygoldy
Mofo alot of forex props coming to futures.... i think its better to milk'em now as they are new before they start scamming..... Found FuturesElite Promo 30%..... 50k price = 56$... max 5 accounts 80% profit split - these insanely cheap challenges has huge potential - 56$ to return 1500$ with EOD and 2500$ drawdown.... heck i am in... {image} {image} {image}
Hopefully, they will be good in futures? If not, it will impact all of the existing firms as well (just like forex). That is why I say don't give them any business.
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