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  • #38,021
  • Jun 20, 2024 3:01am Jun 20, 2024 3:01am
Quoting Artcool
{quote} This list above is for Rithmic only. We can trade DAX as well as several EUREX instruments with Apex/Tradovate.
This does give an itch to try Apex sadly. Suddenly I feel bit dirty to even consider Apex. But payout is payout I guess until they fade into oblivion. Shame tradovate still got their fill issues with orders as it seems if too many que up in their system... Same issues since 3 years. But thats what it seems like from the replies here and other forums lately regarding Tradovate.
  • #38,022
  • Jun 20, 2024 3:16am Jun 20, 2024 3:16am
Quoting labu
{quote} This does give an itch to try Apex sadly. Suddenly I feel bit dirty to even consider Apex. But payout is payout I guess until they fade into oblivion. Shame tradovate still got their fill issues with orders as it seems if too many que up in their system... Same issues since 3 years. But thats what it seems like from the replies here and other forums lately regarding Tradovate.
There are many other firms in the market. Don't go with one that makes you feel dirty.
Don't give up on your dreams. Keep sleeping.
  • #38,023
  • Jun 20, 2024 5:06am Jun 20, 2024 5:06am
I just recieved an email from Bespoke about them threatening legal action because I did a chargeback of my payment for shitty services (spreads and slippage was insane and manipulated). These idiots don't even realise that they're not licensed to offer these kinds of services in most of the EU.
  • #38,024
  • Jun 20, 2024 5:13am Jun 20, 2024 5:13am
Quoting Expo33
{quote} Got an email today with this promo for 150, 250, and 300K evaluations. Best drawdown percentage by far is the 150K. $40 with promo code MILLIONDOLLARDAYTRADER and an $85 lifetime fee if passed before Aug 15 {image}
Agree as well 150k looks promising with this offer and passable as well with the targets....
I am 20x50k deep down.... DOnt want to stack evals like i did for 250k.... better me wait until i blow...
Extreme gut feeling trader
  • #38,025
  • Jun 20, 2024 5:14am Jun 20, 2024 5:14am
Quoting armonius
I just recieved an email from Bespoke about them threatening legal action because I did a chargeback of my payment for shitty services (spreads and slippage was insane and manipulated). These idiots don't even realise that they're not licensed to offer these kinds of services in most of the EU.
They must have hired Jessica. She was a pro at the threatening emails.
  • #38,026
  • Jun 20, 2024 5:21am Jun 20, 2024 5:21am
Quoting armonius
I just recieved an email from Bespoke about them threatening legal action because I did a chargeback of my payment for shitty services (spreads and slippage was insane and manipulated). These idiots don't even realise that they're not licensed to offer these kinds of services in most of the EU.
Agreed, any threats by these props are nothing more then hollow threats. Regardless who they are, FTMO, etc. They aren't going to spend time and money to pursue.
Trade with confidence, trade without fear.
  • #38,027
  • Jun 20, 2024 5:29am Jun 20, 2024 5:29am
Quoting armonius
I just recieved an email from Bespoke about them threatening legal action because I did a chargeback of my payment for shitty services (spreads and slippage was insane and manipulated). These idiots don't even realise that they're not licensed to offer these kinds of services in most of the EU.
Show Kaler the middle finger.

I doubt that they ever go after you with lawyers and local legal case. The bad thing I see there is that you may be blacklisted in more props because these crooks share some list.
  • #38,028
  • Jun 20, 2024 5:35am Jun 20, 2024 5:35am
Quoting montygoldy
{quote} Agree as well 150k looks promising with this offer and passable as well with the targets.... I am 20x50k deep down.... DOnt want to stack evals like i did for 250k.... better me wait until i blow...
The truth and with sincerity: stack it brah, you gonna blow it anyway..the quicker you realize that prop business is in a business to find 95% of people like you, who blows the accounts quickly, the quicker you can cure yourself from this business. I posted for you before, notice, nothing changed, except less money in your personal bank account.
  • #38,029
  • Jun 20, 2024 6:00am Jun 20, 2024 6:00am
Quoting Expo33
{quote} Got an email today with this promo for 150, 250, and 300K evaluations. Best drawdown percentage by far is the 150K. $40 with promo code MILLIONDOLLARDAYTRADER and an $85 lifetime fee if passed before Aug 15 {image}
It's just marketing slight of hand......You are still capped for the first 3 months and the target to DD ratio on these larger accounts does not justify the small increase in cap vs. the 50K
The 50K is the only way to go with Apex, clearly, which is why they are attempting to steer folks away from it.
In my opinion, for those that can actually trade, Darwinex and darwinex zero will have you in a much better position in 1.5- 2years than any of these casinos.
Sounds like a long time, but how many here have been battling this monster for that amount of time and are no better off than you were 2 years ago?
15% of something is better than 80-90% of nothing
Just my humble opinion
  • #38,030
  • Jun 20, 2024 7:20am Jun 20, 2024 7:20am
Quoting fx_rookie
How can you approach them equally? What if you use several setups? Yes, you should have proper money management, but you can not trade everyday the same way. Mechanical systems are doomed if you do not adapt them to the evolving market conditions. Trading is an art. If there is a edge in simple trading system it fades very quickly.
-Trading should be simple. Better to no over-complicate things:

1. Use higher time-frames to gauge market direction.
2. Use lower time-frames for entries.
3. If you're not sure, don't trade.

If you have multiple things that you look at for the above, simply explain that and identify which one they are looking at when you submit your details.

With Apex, having a set SL and TP can help you to remain consistent and position yourself better in the event that your request is challenged.

For what it's worth, I do not necessarily agree with this requirement to submit so many things in order 'prove' your innocence, especially when they can easily see for themselves if your violation is a one-off or an obvious attempt to take advantage of news events. However, it is their capital, so their rules, and the fact that they are giving traders the opportunity to explain themselves and avoid penalty is unheard of in this space.
  • #38,031
  • Jun 20, 2024 7:46am Jun 20, 2024 7:46am
Quoting driven18
{quote} The truth and with sincerity: stack it brah, you gonna blow it anyway..the quicker you realize that prop business is in a business to find 95% of people like you, who blows the accounts quickly, the quicker you can cure yourself from this business. I posted for you before, notice, nothing changed, except less money in your personal bank account.
Hey man, Monty does things his own way. And he's overall in the green --> and even if he wasn't, what do you care?

I respect that he's his own trader. You should do, buckeroo.
A snails pace wins the race :-)
  • #38,032
  • Jun 20, 2024 8:10am Jun 20, 2024 8:10am
Quoting JustPipMe
{quote} Hey man, Monty does things his own way. And he's overall in the green --> and even if he wasn't, what do you care? I respect that he's his own trader. You should do, buckeroo.
I care, because I was involved with back office of prop firms, i.e. the bucket shops and I have seen how 95% of people lose their hard earned money, especially the ones who are addicted as Monty. He is on his way to do the same, slowly but surely.
  • #38,033
  • Jun 20, 2024 8:36am Jun 20, 2024 8:36am
OK, time to report my experience with Finotive funding.

I bought a 100K two-phase challenge from Finotive. I knew Finotive has a bad reputation in this thread, but I wanted to diversify my challenge accounts with several prop firms, and I joined their discord and telegram group and felt that the support team seemed polite and responsive.

I passed the two-phase challenge, but then I received an email 'Challenge Progression Rejected'. The reason they gave in the email is 'gambling'. They allow 100:1 leverage, I only used less than 15:1 leverage.

I replied to their email to argue that they should give me funded account, but no response from them. Three days later, I sent another email to them, but still no response. Then after five days I sent one more email to them, they still don't even bother to reply.

My experience just confirms that Finotive are crooks. Stay far far away from them.
  • #38,034
  • Jun 20, 2024 8:40am Jun 20, 2024 8:40am
Quoting driven18
{quote} I care, because I was involved with back office of prop firms, i.e. the bucket shops and I have seen how 95% of people lose their hard earned money, especially the ones who are addicted as Monty. He is on his way to do the same, slowly but surely.
which ones
  • #38,035
  • Jun 20, 2024 8:41am Jun 20, 2024 8:41am
Quoting ladder
OK, time to report my experience with Finotive funding. I bought a 100K two-phase challenge from Finotive. I knew Finotive has a bad reputation in this thread, but I wanted to diversify my challenge accounts with several prop firms, and I joined their discord and telegram group and felt that the support team seemed polite and responsive. I passed the two-phase challenge, but then I received an email 'Challenge Progression Rejected'. The reason they gave in the email is 'gambling'. They allow 100:1 leverage, I only used less than 15:1 leverage. I...
They have been shady forever with weird rules.
  • #38,036
  • Edited 9:02am Jun 20, 2024 8:47am | Edited 9:02am
Quoting Takisd
{quote} which ones
I rather not say it about few last ones, but I was part owner of the legitimate bucket shop business in the 90's for spot currency. Ticket orders were taken at the front desk, but never left the back office...as stats say it correctly, 5% of people did get paid, 95% of people lost money, so business was brisk, losers funds were deposited into the local bank non stop, every night.

We have similar today, except the name changed from bucket shops to prop firms. Same model of operations.
  • #38,037
  • Jun 20, 2024 9:21am Jun 20, 2024 9:21am
Quoting Takisd
{quote} They must have hired Jessica. She was a pro at the threatening emails.
She makes me feel dirty. I miss her
Pride always comes before destruction.... -Proverbs 16:18
  • #38,038
  • Edited 9:59pm Jun 20, 2024 9:29am | Edited 9:59pm
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} It's just marketing slight of hand......You are still capped for the first 3 months and the target to DD ratio on these larger accounts does not justify the small increase in cap vs. the 50K The 50K is the only way to go with Apex, clearly, which is why they are attempting to steer folks away from it. In my opinion, for those that can actually trade, Darwinex and darwinex zero will have you in a much better position in 1.5- 2years than any of these casinos. Sounds like a long time, but how many here have been battling this monster for that...
Bulenox has the same marketing ploy with their 90% off promo. Trying to get traders to get an erection for the 100K account. Until you see the difference in drawdown.

100K acct = $21.50 with $148 PA activation fee. (3% trailing drawdown)
50K acct = $17.50 with a $145 PA activation fee. (5% trailing drawdown)
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Pride always comes before destruction.... -Proverbs 16:18
  • #38,039
  • Jun 20, 2024 9:47am Jun 20, 2024 9:47am
Quoting driven18
I have seen how 95% of people lose their hard earned money, especially the ones who are addicted as Monty. He is on his way to do the same, slowly but surely.
This is for sure.

It’s a bit sickening, the way so many here keep encouraging him. Thanks for commenting, anyway (though it will doubtless not get you many other thanks around here!).
  • #38,040
  • Jun 20, 2024 10:19am Jun 20, 2024 10:19am
Quoting Quickly
It’s a bit sickening, the way so many here keep encouraging him.
-What is sickening is the audacity and arrogance of some people here, that they feel the need to go out of their way to try to educate grown adults (without solicitation) about what they should and/or should not do with their own money, especially without knowing their circumstances.

It is one thing to have someone openly admit on a public forum that he lives with his parents, is unemployed and is borrowing money in an effort to try to pay off his debts and clearly refuses to listen to sound advice.

It's an entirely different matter when you are referring to someone that has a full-time job and clearly has excess capital to play with and is pulling more money out than he is putting in.

You do not need to save anyone. You do not know better than others regarding their own lives. You are not the risk police. Give it a rest.
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