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  • #34,681
  • Apr 11, 2024 8:30am Apr 11, 2024 8:30am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} I would think if copy trading was a disadvantadge to apex, they would probably not allow copy trading 20 accounts. I'd like your serious thoughts on this. Do you think the marketing of "Hey copy 20 accounts and pass in 1 day" simply generates enough fees @ $33 a pop to cover the 8 figures they are currently paying monthly? I am not trying to dispute your opinion, just woindering your thought process, as anything that takes away from a forex prop bottom line, they invent rules to prevent, why would apex allow you to copy 20?
They allow it to have a competitive advantage to other future props. No one is doing that and other things how much is Apex doing. The only dis.. is there realtime trailing DD. But EOD trailing is not that much better, only static DD would be real game changer, like Savius is offering it. The problem is that wanted to be number 1 in sales how they always advertize it. The problem is that they get too much toxic flow from all the pro traders trading Nasdaq Futures. There payouts are not limited over time, you only need to go forward and build your threshold and then you have no daily limits anymore as you can always use full to go in and out. The more you scalp the more advantage you have with Apex. There is no way you get those good fills in real futures market. They need to change fills, but it is all from Rithmic imported so they need to do own software from scratch to do so, which cost time and money. But they are running out of time now with $20 million payouts monthly. A few more million monthly payout traders and they must limit profits or they need to start to scam around. I do not see how they grow that much in payouts with that much allowance on cheating with Level 2. There is no 100 contracts on each side on Nasdaq Futures. But once you have grown your 50k account to say 55k you can risk more with some minis traded if you have small risk in points measured. That gets a real problem on the far end, but it is the model, after a few months there are no payout limits, and it seems, there are more and more traders aiming for it to get those huge 7-figure payouts. It is simply not sustainable with that model. I just want to put the numbers right and how they execute compared to real life environment on futures exchanges.
  • #34,682
  • Apr 11, 2024 8:30am Apr 11, 2024 8:30am
Quoting youngD
{quote} Monty you said with this account you go for one bigger payout and that is it. But i think if they downgraded your account they can use it as excuse to not pay you if you try withdraw 20% like you said. In your place I would leave this amount under 5% payout and wait for payout and repeat few times with smaller amount.
yep thats my thought process as well give it a try lets see
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  • #34,683
  • Apr 11, 2024 8:32am Apr 11, 2024 8:32am
Quoting Cryptosurf
{quote} Well done. Remember you need 10 trading days, and the accounts become eligible for payout then they will be shown on the Payout section. Be sure to set your Payout method ahead of time. {image} EDIT: You need $52600 to become eligible for payout. How Do Payouts Work? Payouts, Withdrawals, Profit Split-Percentages – Apex Trader Funding (atf.com) {image}
yes sir 5 more days to go… now goal is build some buffer to pull atleast 10k out
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  • #34,684
  • Apr 11, 2024 8:34am Apr 11, 2024 8:34am
Quoting TheDoug
{quote} with forex there was always a question of can orders get filled on the faster timeframes if the orders are too big. is that the same in futures? if you had a $500k futures account and wanted to trade massive contracts, is there a limit where your trade might not get filled? I guess at that point you start swing trading on the D1 and don't worry about it.
IF you're trade a large account, then you would need to become familiar with trading off the DOM and things like Volume profiles, etc. You can see where the orders are and trade accordingly. You're no longer chasing trade's, chasing wicks, etc. Slippage would never be a problem.
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  • #34,685
  • Apr 11, 2024 8:39am Apr 11, 2024 8:39am
Quoting montygoldy
{quote} yes sir 5 more days to go… now goal is build some buffer to pull atleast 10k out
Hello
Good time
Did the famous prop forms remove the time limit to pass the challenges?
I will succeed Not immediately... but definitely
  • #34,686
  • Apr 11, 2024 8:43am Apr 11, 2024 8:43am
Quoting Cryptosurf
{quote} The fear mongering over live accounts is overdone IMO. I have a live account with AMP, trade the same as I always have, including APEX. Only difference in micro's on APEX and Mini's with private account. Conditions are the same. Granted im not trading 100 minis on AMP, maybe 5-10 at any given moment. That's all I need to make decent money for the day.
my sl is tight on the system I use @ Apex, 15 pts on NQ... so @ 150-160K I would be pretty much maxed out position size wise @ AMP with no further ability to scale up the position size for additional growth. Still a great situation, but the profit potential would be capped.
  • #34,687
  • Apr 11, 2024 8:44am Apr 11, 2024 8:44am
Quoting Cryptosurf
{quote} Wake up, you posted a news release about a Canadian outdoor company not APEX. {image} This has to be peak Transy
imagine his levels of ticker confusion back as a hedge fund trader

he's one of these people
https://fortune.com/2020/03/26/zoom-...alt-zm-ticker/
  • #34,688
  • Apr 11, 2024 8:46am Apr 11, 2024 8:46am
Quoting TrAndy1
{quote}simply not sustainable with that model.
Funny how your logic never applied when you were pimping Bespoke, in spite of all the evidence it was a scam. You're the last person to rely on for advice on "what is" or "what is not" sustainable.
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  • #34,689
  • Apr 11, 2024 8:49am Apr 11, 2024 8:49am
Quoting LehmanBrotha
{quote} imagine his levels of ticker confusion back as a hedge fund trader he's one of these people https://fortune.com/2020/03/26/zoom-...alt-zm-ticker/
Exactly, he screams "washed up" trader. He was never a "hedge fund" trader. At best he's a failed trader after decades of chasing profitability.
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  • #34,690
  • Apr 11, 2024 8:59am Apr 11, 2024 8:59am
Quoting Cryptosurf
{quote} Exactly, he screams "washed up" trader. He was never a "hedge fund" trader. At best he's a failed trader after decades of chasing profitability.
His ego and results are probably on the opposite side of the spectrum. Making huge claims to satisfy the illusion of grandeur but, in contrast to some clever pretenders out there, lack the proper industry knowledge to back it up.
  • #34,691
  • Apr 11, 2024 9:00am Apr 11, 2024 9:00am
Quoting Phoenix-
{quote} Hello Good time Did the famous prop forms remove the time limit to pass the challenges?
Are you asking about apex??? they have a one day pass going on thats why i am yolo'ing too much to pass in a day.
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  • #34,692
  • Apr 11, 2024 9:13am Apr 11, 2024 9:13am
Quoting Cryptosurf
{quote} Not sure I follow. These prop firms are ATM's, withdraw at every payout period. Not sure the reasoning behind starting over with new challenges.
The only reasoning I see is that when you pass the trailing cap and are able to withdraw, all the buffer is yours (so it's at risk if apex closes).
Example:
You achieve 3000 profit.
At that moment if you withdraw 1700 leaving 1300 as buffer, those 1300 is your "real" money. Could be in your personal account without risk if you decided to withdraw all.
On the other side you can use it to produce profits that in your personal account you probably couldn't with 1300. I get that.
  • #34,693
  • Apr 11, 2024 9:15am Apr 11, 2024 9:15am
Quoting TheDoug
I'm 100% new to futures - but what's the problem with going live with Apex?
-Based on my understanding, there is nothing to be gained from it. You basically use your own profits to fund the account. I do not know if you have to keep forfeiting 10% of your profits to Apex. Since Apex will not disclose much about it, it is assumed that once you are asked to go live, it's a take it or leave it kind of deal, whereas, if you reject the offer, then you part ways with Apex. I do not know this for sure, though.
  • #34,694
  • Apr 11, 2024 9:16am Apr 11, 2024 9:16am
Quoting Cryptosurf
{quote} Well done. Remember you need 10 trading days, and the accounts become eligible for payout then they will be shown on the Payout section. Be sure to set your Payout method ahead of time. {image} EDIT: You need $52600 to become eligible for payout. How Do Payouts Work? Payouts, Withdrawals, Profit Split-Percentages – Apex Trader Funding (atf.com) {image}
Also can share payout process how long it took to request to hit your bank. Do they do crypto payout?
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  • #34,695
  • Apr 11, 2024 9:16am Apr 11, 2024 9:16am
Quoting Phoenix-
{quote} Hello Good time Did the famous prop forms remove the time limit to pass the challenges?
You mean Apex ? If so they have some promos running very often, sometimes 1 day, sometimes 3, though the standard in their site is still 7 days.
  • #34,696
  • Apr 11, 2024 9:24am Apr 11, 2024 9:24am
Quoting montygoldy
{quote} Also can share payout process how long it took to request to hit your bank. Do they do crypto payout?
Usually about 3-4 days after request is made. But im in USA and use ACH. You will have to use international and payment is made via Plane. You need to get that started asap. See here Payout Method Information – Apex Trader Funding (atf.com)

No crypto, bank wire only.
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  • #34,697
  • Apr 11, 2024 9:46am Apr 11, 2024 9:46am
Hello guys,

Any way to fix the chart delay (approx 10 min) for futures in tradingview. My tradingview dow futures feed is delayed by 10 min vs tradovate feed.
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  • #34,698
  • Apr 11, 2024 9:50am Apr 11, 2024 9:50am
Quoting Cryptosurf
{quote} Usually about 3-4 days after request is made. But im in USA and use ACH. You will have to use international and payment is made via Plane. You need to get that started asap. See here Payout Method Information – Apex Trader Funding (atf.com) No crypto, bank wire only.
how to register to plane?? i am trying with my email it throws this error and i may be layman on this but i am not getting it
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  • #34,699
  • Edited 10:30am Apr 11, 2024 9:50am | Edited 10:30am
Quoting procrude
Hello guys, Any way to fix the chart delay (approx 10 min) for futures in tradingview. My tradingview dow futures feed is delayed by 10 min vs tradovate feed.
You have to have it activated in Tradovate.

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  • #34,700
  • Apr 11, 2024 9:51am Apr 11, 2024 9:51am
Quoting procrude
Hello guys, Any way to fix the chart delay (approx 10 min) for futures in tradingview. My tradingview dow futures feed is delayed by 10 min vs tradovate feed.
dont know i have paid tradingview memebership and both feeds look same to me.
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