The Concept of 3D Charting.

Your charting software IS a video game...you just don't perceive it that way. But the generation coming up behind you certainly does. This is the direction technical analysis interfaces are evolving. Of course we'll always have 2D charts. Those might be around for the next hundred years, but the breakthroughs in our analytic tools are certainly going to be expressed using real-time graphics technology. Someone just has to get 'r done.

I'm a trader too. That's why I started this project because everything that I've been exposed to for the past 7 years hasn't gotten any better. When I say better I mean 'visually more engaging'.

The bull and bear concept illustrates a trade. I suppose it could be an indicator, but that wasn't it's function. Do your analysis, place your trade, and then watch the show. Some traders are okay with just watching candlesticks go up and down. I want to see something more than that.

The 3D equivalent of a 2D indicator (MAs, Stochastics, etc.) would look nothing like what I described above. I haven't gotten around to that subject yet, but my original plans for indicators wouldn't be simulated in that way.

HEY... Take the bickering outside! Then come back in with legitemate thoughts.
Both of you have made me think along your thought proccess and perhaps one of you is right.
No Slamming Allowed. Only open Minds on a quest for further knowledge.

Anybody know about Fibonacci Spiral?

This Fibonacci Spiral is something like 3D kind of things.
If anybody know how to use this system, please share with me.


Thank you.

very sorry Bemac. You are right we are all open minded and that is how we will receive our new 3D charting.
i don't have a problem being visually engaged with my charts. i think anyone that does would have a learning disorder. that is true and legitimate. my vision is a 3D representation exactly like CQG has done. it's charting and it's 3D. why is it 3D? what is the benefit of 3D? it shows you another deminsion/another piece of information.
There is nothing new under the sun. right now we are just trying to see things differently. we are not trying to create a new moving average or indicator. we just want the candles to show us another aspect of their creation that might lead us to the next candle's creation. i think we need to have open minds but we also need to be focused on the subject.

No bickering intended over here. What's illegit about what I said versus what everyone else has mentioned so far?

Ah. Okay. The way I've been taught...the '3' in 3D is the z-axis. Meaning movement going forwards and backwards. 'y' is up and down, and 'x' is left and right. That's how I'm using it. The CQG price bars only go up and down, and only expand left and right as volume increases and decreases, correct? CQG isn't using the z-axis at all. I'm pretty sure that's what pip_hunter meant by saying it wasn't 3D.

perhaps 3D is a misnomer for this thread. Bemac I'm not sure what you are after beyond this but I see the chart posted here as having 3 dimensions. X,Y,Z or A,B,C. We have a horizontal axis that measures time or ticks in this case ticks *20 per bar. Vertical measures price. The third dimension is implied by darkness per candle. Objects that appear closer to the viewer are brighter. This is done anywhere from cartoons to bigscreen to the Army where we put on camouflage to reverse the brighter raised areas to make the face appear flat and non-3 dimensional.
Enjoy.

Cool. I never noticed that but now that you mention it I can't see it any other way.

Can you define, in detail, the parameters that determine whether a candle should be Bright or Dark?

Here's some of what I'm thinking.

Take a Doji as an example. A small candle that looks as if nothing much happened during it's timeframe. But what if that candle had a Huge Volume or a huge Trade behind it. {yeah yeah, I know, FXVolume is fallacy}

To me, that would indicate Power in the Market that has no "One Glance" visual representation. The fact is that I'm looking at a Very Busy Candle but can't see it because it is travelling Directly toward or Away from me.

Supply & Demand, Huge Trade AND/OR Large Vlm.

Thanks guys for staying with this.

I don't know if anyone has mentioned it yet, but what about COT data? That would actually add another 3 dimensions to the normal 2, but you could sort of condense the three COT groups (weighting each one separately) into one dimension representing the weighting of positions from short to long. What do you think?

In case you're unfamiliar with COT data, check out http://www.shatterfield.com/cot.whatis.php for a quick summary.

Oooh, just thought of a very cool idea. There is a simple way to condense three dimensions into one - RGB color! You could break each bar into two sections (either vertically or horizontally...) and color each section according to the combined strength of the groups. For example:

You'd define the range of Commercial short commitment to be 0-4000 contracts. Say you assigned the Commercial value to the red. You'd simply divide the Com. COT by 4000 and then multiply by 255 (an 8-bit number, one third of 24-bit color) to calculate the red component of the short half of the bar. You'd do the same for Noncommercial and Nonreportable, say for blue and green respectively. You'd combine these three 8-bit numbers to get your 24-bit color.

It would take a bit of time to learn to read the final color values correctly, but could prove very intuitive over time. What do you think? I believe InterbankFX gives a discount on COT data... I opened an account with them once but never funded. Maybe I will fund a little and then test out the COT data. Or does somebody else who already has it want to try?

I am a software engineer and have a lot of experience with metatrader, so I think this indicator would not be particularly difficult to program. Just a matter of getting hold of the COT data. Again, if anybody knows where I could get a cheap feed, let me know.

My Quasi-3D chart.
Still just price and time, though!

FXS

Totally cool.

What do you need to experiment with this?

Somewhat looks like but is obviously not a Guppy Hybrid.
So... What is it {if you care to reveal}

Hello Bemac!
It is a red-headed stepchild of Guppy.
It is on posts 85-90.
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...t=35229&page=6
Any comment or critique welcome!

Lots more stuff on the rest of the thread.

FXS

Me personally, or a programmer in general? Actually, probably about the same... just need access to the Shatterfield COT data. I believe that InterbankFX has some kind of bundle deal with them for a discount rate, but you can also purchase the data feed separately. As for integrating it with MT4, I couldn't say how easy it would be without actually trying it. I believe that I remember seeing some kind of MT4 indicator that comes with the IBFX/Shatterfield bundle deal, so I assume it's not too difficult. I'm not really in a position to put up any money for the COT data now, but if you want to sponsor I'd be happy to do some development .