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  • #28,941
  • Feb 1, 2024 9:39am Feb 1, 2024 9:39am
Quoting KarlKraus
It’s objective and verifiable and factual. Unlike the total BS you guys post, which you apparently just make up as you go along.
You're wasting your breath.

They don't listen to objective, independently verifiable facts from people with decades of experience.

They listen only to what fits in with their existing bullsh!t prejudices and ignorance.

"If the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts," lol.

Good luck with that.
  • #28,942
  • Feb 1, 2024 9:51am Feb 1, 2024 9:51am
Quoting Quickly
{quote} You're wasting your breath. They don't listen to objective, independently verifiable facts from people with decades of experience. They listen only to what fits in with their existing bullsh!t prejudices and ignorance. "If the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts," lol. Good luck with that.
Heheh, these guys think they are the only ones with decades of experience.
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It's clear to me that we have the same person with multiple usernames. It's impressive how one just shows up immediately after the other.
If not, then they have some sort of siren that rings 24h/day when the other buddy writes something.
  • #28,943
  • Feb 1, 2024 9:57am Feb 1, 2024 9:57am
Quoting Capablanca
{quote} Heheh, these guys think they are the only ones with decades of experience. ------ It's clear to me that we have the same person with multiple usernames. It's impressive how one just shows up immediately after the other. If not, then they have some sort of siren that rings 24h/day when the other buddy writes something.
  • #28,944
  • Feb 1, 2024 10:41am Feb 1, 2024 10:41am
Quoting Capablanca
{quote} Heheh, these guys think they are the only ones with decades of experience. ------ It's clear to me that we have the same person with multiple usernames. It's impressive how one just shows up immediately after the other. If not, then they have some sort of siren that rings 24h/day when the other buddy writes something.
Futures props pay him for all the bullsh!t posts he writes. His decades of experience is complete crap. His posts always hint that if you trade futures prop account instead of forex prop account, you will be profitable and make a lot of money, because futures props are not your counterparty and your orders are executed on the exchange. As I said several times before in this thread, futures props' trailing drawdown is many many times harder than forex props' static drawdown. The probability of making money at forex props is way higher than at futures props.
  • #28,945
  • Feb 1, 2024 10:43am Feb 1, 2024 10:43am
Quoting Capablanca
It's clear to me that we have the same person with multiple usernames
https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/...1#post14690931
  • #28,946
  • Feb 1, 2024 10:49am Feb 1, 2024 10:49am
Quoting woody70
{quote} I would get on chat with them now. The 5ers are usually on it when it comes to support.
I was on chat and was told a ticket was opened and the tech team was on it and would resolve it in 24 hours.

24 hours later and nothing.

Back on chat. Was told a ticket was opened and to be patient and would be resolved in a few hours.

36 hours and nothing.

Back on chat for the third time today and some spear thrower from Nigeria is going to open another ticket.

So it's been 72 hours since I closed my last trade to pass phase 2 and nothing. Can't even get to the KYJelly ID verification phase.

Atrocious.
Pride always comes before destruction.... -Proverbs 16:18
  • #28,947
  • Feb 1, 2024 10:52am Feb 1, 2024 10:52am
Quoting ladder
{quote} Futures props pay him for all the bullsh!t posts he writes. His decades of experience is complete crap. His posts always hint that if you trade futures prop account instead of forex prop account, you will be profitable and make a lot of money, because futures props are not your counterparty and your orders are executed on the exchange. As I said several times before in this thread, futures props' trailing drawdown is many many times harder than forex props' static drawdown. The probability of making money at forex props is way higher than...
The only point of trailing DD is for people to fail....there is no benefit to it for the trader or the firm IF THEY WERE PUTTING YOUR ORDERS TO MARKET.
Unless I'm missing something, perhaps one of the "decades of experience" folks can enlightnen me on the benefits of trailing DD.
  • #28,948
  • Feb 1, 2024 10:53am Feb 1, 2024 10:53am
Quoting ladder
{quote} Futures props pay him for all the bullsh!t posts he writes. His decades of experience is complete crap. His posts always hint that if you trade futures prop account instead of forex prop account, you will be profitable and make a lot of money, because futures props are not your counterparty and your orders are executed on the exchange. As I said several times before in this thread, futures props' trailing drawdown is many many times harder than forex props' static drawdown. The probability of making money at forex props is way higher than...
They don't bother me except for the lies that futures props like top step send trades to live market. That's a complete lie, or at least it was in 2020, checked by myself.

It was easy to see my trades from Interactive Brokers in the exchange and not the Top Step entered at the same time. Time & stamp in audit don't lie.
  • #28,949
  • Feb 1, 2024 10:59am Feb 1, 2024 10:59am
Quoting Expo33
{quote} I was on chat and was told a ticket was opened and the tech team was on it and would resolve it in 24 hours. 24 hours later and nothing. Back on chat. Was told a ticket was opened and to be patient and would be resolved in a few hours. 36 hours and nothing. Back on chat for the third time today and some spear thrower from Nigeria is going to open another ticket. So it's been 72 hours since I closed my last trade to pass phase 2 and nothing. Can't even get to the KYJelly ID verification phase. Atrocious.
Do me a favor send an email to help@the5ers.com...brief explanation of the issue, they should be able to find you by your email (if the same as registration). I am having a 100% positive experience with them and the couple of questions I've had were responded to within the hour (mornings East Coast US). There must be some disconnect somewhere.
  • #28,950
  • Edited 11:10am Feb 1, 2024 11:00am | Edited 11:10am
The main benefit of futures props is that they pay. Due to trailing DD & contract limits the failed trader to paid trader ratio is significantly higher than fx props. If you are one of the successful traders that can navigate around trailing DD, even the smaller futures props rarely have payment denial issues compared to FX props.
  • #28,951
  • Feb 1, 2024 11:01am Feb 1, 2024 11:01am
Quoting montygoldy
Now i am planning to buy 2 more challenges any suggestions??? Any good discounts running??
Tried BuoyTrade yet?
  • #28,952
  • Feb 1, 2024 11:02am Feb 1, 2024 11:02am
Quoting Expo33
{quote} I was on chat and was told a ticket was opened and the tech team was on it and would resolve it in 24 hours. 24 hours later and nothing. Back on chat. Was told a ticket was opened and to be patient and would be resolved in a few hours. 36 hours and nothing. Back on chat for the third time today and some spear thrower from Nigeria is going to open another ticket. So it's been 72 hours since I closed my last trade to pass phase 2 and nothing. Can't even get to the KYJelly ID verification phase. Atrocious.
Damn that's crazy. Sorry to hear, I hope the problem is resolved for you.
  • #28,953
  • Feb 1, 2024 11:03am Feb 1, 2024 11:03am
https://news.bitcoin.com/sec-moves-t...cies-in-court/

"Regulation"
  • #28,954
  • Feb 1, 2024 11:07am Feb 1, 2024 11:07am
Quoting AaronPriest
{quote} Tried BuoyTrade yet?
Very rarely mentioned here. Have you tried them ?
  • #28,955
  • Feb 1, 2024 11:11am Feb 1, 2024 11:11am
Quoting Takisd
"Regulation"
-They need to be reined in. Where is the oversight and accountability?

We are seeing too many cases, by both, CFTC and SEC, that seem to be driven by some questionable agenda. Why else would they be making silly mistakes and false statements?
  • #28,956
  • Feb 1, 2024 11:20am Feb 1, 2024 11:20am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Do me a favor send an email to [email protected] explanation of the issue, they should be able to find you by your email (if the same as registration). I am having a 100% positive experience with them and the couple of questions I've had were responded to within the hour (mornings East Coast US). There must be some disconnect somewhere.
Just gonna let it be just to see how long it actually takes.

I had some HUB credits so I just used them up to get the challenge in the first place
Pride always comes before destruction.... -Proverbs 16:18
  • #28,957
  • Feb 1, 2024 11:21am Feb 1, 2024 11:21am
Quoting Capablanca
{quote} Very rarely mentioned here. Have you tried them ?
Yeah, they're good. Slow to issue credentials and scaling because it's a small team of 2 or 3 people and there's no automation, all done by hand, and only during business hours in Singapore. But good account scaling, easy rules, and good support in their Telegram group. Eightcap MT4 only sadly. The only thing I don't like is a maximum 2 weeks between trades or your account is gone, POOF, no warnings. Oops. They could use some animation and a back office someday. But the price and rules and scaling and customer support are all good.
  • #28,958
  • Feb 1, 2024 11:24am Feb 1, 2024 11:24am
Quoting AaronPriest
{quote} Tried BuoyTrade yet?
I tried their direct model a couple of years ago.

Didn't have any issues other than blowing up several accounts.
Pride always comes before destruction.... -Proverbs 16:18
  • #28,959
  • Feb 1, 2024 11:26am Feb 1, 2024 11:26am
Quoting Takisd
https://news.bitcoin.com/sec-moves-t...cies-in-court/ "Regulation"
Gotta love the Anime characters.

Seriously what kind of alternate universe are we living in?
Pride always comes before destruction.... -Proverbs 16:18
  • #28,960
  • Feb 1, 2024 11:28am Feb 1, 2024 11:28am
Quoting Expo33
{quote} Gotta love the Anime characters. Seriously what kind of alternate universe are we living in?
I wake every morning and ask myself the same thing.....WTF happened to the world?
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