Michael S. Jenkins teachings

Hi Jemstone41,

It doesn't show up in all market conditions - cycles move in and put of phase as the market expands and contracts - I was just showing the Gann and Jenkins basic number numerology that they used - sometimes it shows up and other times it doesn't

At the Low (MAJOR low) it turned out that the PRICE level with a little decimal shift, harmonised to a TIME cycle based on the exact division of the year, in terms of months which also sync'd with Saturn - another time it could be the square root of price or something else - which is not ideal when we're looking for certainty

Loads of other things are happening at the same time in price based on the planets and sometimes that can be clearly seen and at other times things get distorted

This is why in Jenkins work - when you try to replicate circles, squares etc, sometimes they appear and other times they don't - if the market is out of sync then you won't be able to find a fit, which then leads to people saying his work doesn't work

2002 created that relationship, but it won't last forever, it'll soon "disappear" - Everything is moving - the heavens are a mega perfectly orchestrated clock

Since 2016 the overall market cycle turned from Deflationary to Inflationary - hence all the painful economic Inflationary issues since then, but the effect on the market is that some of the cycles that worked Pre-2016, will get out of kilter and some of the cycles that worked in the last Inflationary cycle will show up again in this one

There's a lot of active moving parts to it all and nailing everything down requires a huge amount of work - sometimes Geo works, other times Helio

I don't claim to know everything Jenkins does - I've just spent the past 11 years looking at Astro stuff on and off and pieced together various bits and then after a while you can get to the stage whereby you can see a path

The main thing for anyone reading this is Cowan proved that for the USA markets operate in a UP/DOWN sequence that works out for 16-19 years (depends on the speed of the planets) so in the DOWN phases will have big bear phases as we have seen from 2000-2016

The UP phases, move the market up fast and hard and they also have bear markets, but the bear markets are not as bad as the DOWN phases and are also quickly (within 2-3 years at worst) recovered

The SP500 tops out of the UP cycle in 2034

THT

Hi Folks, does anybody know, or has anybody encoded the work on MS Jenkins to the MT5 platform like it has been done to the MT4 for free?

I've used the Pnaveen (Paid) tools & it is unreliable & buggy. Not worth it in my opinion - the goal post keeps on moving, LOL!

If anyone can provide some Mql5 files to download, it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for your detailed reply. I suppose the question is, how we can use the information profitably, given that we have to trade it in advance and do not know which relationships are going to hold? Personally I like to see keep things simple and see confluence of multiple market geometry factors, such as angles from intermediate highs and lows converging together at the target price-time zone - not just the classic 4x1, 2x1, 1x1, 1x2 etc, but more generally m x n for arbitrary integers m and n, with the 1x1 scaled relative to a previous large swing on the chart. Also looking at relative swing sizes multiplied by factors sqrt(2), sqrt(3) and sqrt(5) to project future swings. If this aligned with an astro date, I suppose it could increase its odds of working.

I have never really investigated astro in detail before, though I read some books on the topic (Christopher Carolan's the Spiral Calendar is one I mention reading in about 2015, which used moon cycles combined with Fibonacci numbers). It's fascinating but I found it hard to accept since 1) there were so many astro trading ideas and techniques that were mutually contradictory, 2) lack of a concrete mechanism by which it could conceivably operate. In comparison, Fibonacci or golden ratio relationships could spontaneously appear from the dynamics of a complex system. But how could human buy-sell decisions be influenced by the positions of remote planets? I think one author speculated on the planets influencing the solar wind and allowing increased impact of charged particles, which could affect the Earth's magnetic field and alter human behaviour. Or perhaps an initially random market converges into cycles via a process similar to which gas and dust converges into a planetary system, so both tend to end up with equivalent periods even without any connection between them?

I'm open to being convinced though... maybe I should get Jenkins' new three-volume astro set and see if it changes my mind...

Hi

Yeah I totally get and understand that - I just wait for the day and wait for a price reversal, I'm happy to bet a % of my accounts testing it - there was a lot of other geometry confirming to aid that time cycle - I don't solely trade Astro it just compliments my normal methods and some of it takes YEARS to arrive

I've focused on the stock market (now moving onto forex) - the stock market (USA) is continually EXPANDING, this expansion and the contractions within it have for 200 years complied to Astro alignments and also mathematical geometrical coincidences at the major key reversal points - you can't use sq root expansions on every swing, it won't work, the market is constantly twisting and turning on its journey to build and complete geometrical shapes on its path and again this doesn't allow us to trade with certainty at every turn of the market - which is what we are all looking for! The forex markets don't follow the cycles of the stock market either

For the 2022 SP500 HIGH - there was no planetary cycles for me, just the price geometry

Another key aspect was this next chart - which is from Robert Miners book and all I've done is exclusively run his EXTERNAL RETRACEMENTS from EVERY price swing from 2009 onwards and I saw a massive confluence at the same price level as other expansion geometry was showing




I believe that financial markets work to GEOMETRY so we show see geometrical levels often, especially at major turning points

On the ASTRO stuff - Believe me I was hugely sceptical, there is a LOT, a lot of differing ways to view it and if you shove enough lines on a chart, one key one will hit! Which is no good, and not all of it works all the time, this is because differing things are ALL working at the same and some cycle override others - which again is not ideal for trading from, but some things work regularly enough to profit from and the absolutely hardest part to Astro is finding the point in time to start projections from, unless you might as well just throw darts and hope

WD Gann and others believed that the planets spun out vibrations which caused planet positions to be translated into prices - his Coffee letter proves this, along with his Soybeans 1948 chart - you had Mars/Jupiter arriving at a longitude that converted into price and a conjunction of the 2 planets that coincided with price reversal at said price level! - How that influences the masses is for others to work out - I totally get that this is hard to believe

Take a look at these charts:

The first is Saturn Uranus 15 degrees from the 1987 crash LOW date - Just from this chart for me there's just too many hits for it to be random



The next is a Time Cycle right out of Cowans PTCT book - as you can see I produced that in 2017




Its mind blowing to think that the solar system is impacting things on this planet somehow - If you have Cowans work, you'll see he predicts the next WAR - the war cycle he details has a 100% hit rate and in the next few years we are about to see if it continues or not - this is caused by Uranus forming square 90 deg legs inside the circle of 360 and so far EVERYTIME it [Uranus] passes those angles the USA has either ended or joined/started a major war - Its [Uranus] is passing through the star sign of Gemini and that star sign is a hot spot when Uranus passes through it - crazy I know, but when you have many coincidences, it stops being a random event and becomes predictable

I'm not saying Jenkins Astro work is the best out there, but its alright - def better than traditional Astro courses out there and helps to explain the Illogical nature of daily price bar action etc

Also I dare say that Jenkins reveals much more accurate methods in his $6500 personal seminars rather than in an Astro course for $1000 that ultimately will be copied and distributed for free on the net - as he says somewhere that his Astro courses only cover 25% of what he discusses in his personal seminars

This is Gann's Financial Forecast from 1909! 1909! - It got out of sync a bit, but it was pretty damn accurate - he constructed that table by the effect he believed the North Node of the MOON had on the economy (18.6 yr cycle) - All I'll say as an ex Financial Adviser, is that Gann beat the predictions with that table than 99.9% of economists out there from 1909 to 2008



I know this sounds totally crazy, I know and there's a lot of bad astro work out there - but I'm convinced - Cowan in his books shows why cycles appear and then disappear and then reappear again which is to do with planetary speeds

Obviously a rational trader would never trade a system based on hearsay, you'd test, test and test it to form a decision and it might be the case that you as a person are not comfortable trading based on those methods, which is perfectly fine

THT

Forgot to say in the last post - lots to mention!:

You would of run a simple 666 WEEK cycle from the Mar 6th 2009 666 price low point and it it spat out in late Dec 2021

You need to look at lots of things coming together and when lots converge = high prob of a turn

When you ran the 666 week cycle from the 2009 low, you'd of split the cycle into harmonic divisions such as 333 (50%) or 222 (33%) and as the 333 basic weekly TC came out nicely, you could have been building the argument for the top in Dec 2021 (give or take), along with all the other geometry mentioned above

I sent this to a friend the month before - for a generic prediction, pretty accurate on both the timing and the price level



Sometimes the complicated Astro stuff comes out and at other times basic number work appears

THT

Last one for a while - I would encourage everyone to get Jenkins ASTRO courses - once studied you will then be able to see the markets more clearly

This is straight out of Jenkins Complete stock market and forecasting course - published late 1990's (I think) and still works perfectly to this day!

In that course he discusses at length the ASTRO side, I've used the same ASTRO dates in the course and manually inputted them onto my charts and just run "approx" cal days that he mentions in the course (these cal days are average of the planet combo 15 deg movement)

Here's the "naked" cycle of which you could of confidently traded the dates just on there own



This next chart shows by incorporating Gann Angles (properly scaled) and basic price retracement levels - it was a no brainer short once the top bar caved in down to the 50% price retracement level - we are talking about 100's of SP500 points!



As you can see some of dates work great and others minor - this is what HAPPENS in real life

Obviously there's other planets operating throughout time and sometimes some are very Important and other times, others become the Important ones - the very hard part is testing what a market works too, but once you figure it out, then it will be vibrating and moving to the harmonics of those planets FOREVER

and as a trader, you just sit and WAIT for the perfect TIME to trade and commit funds to

As you have seen with this thread, the REAL truth about Jenkins work is in his Astro cycles and although I've not read every page of the thread, I'm willing to bet hardly anyone would have gone into detail or the lengths you have to, to figure out the ASTRO for any market, as it requires a very long time to learn it, understand it, master it and then apply it to a blank canvas chart - As most people just want a simple strategy, they just look at his trading methods and when they only work every now and then, give up

In the cycle above, some hits will have minimal effect on the market in the future, but other hits will be mega moves too in the future

You may not want to believe that the planets moving around in the heavens affect things on Earth, that's your choice, but if you want to understand when markets are due to turn then you really need to look at ASTRO stuff (again, a lot of the tat out there simply does not work that well, but some of it does)

In this thread, I've shown you cycles from Jenkins and Cowan, along with predictions captured "before the date" to show you their stuff actually works

Jenkins says that he thinks our lives are mapped out and pre-destined at the moment of our births and I'd have to agree with him - although I'm no Astrologist and I don't Intend to become one, from what I've seen of the planets and the markets, I'm convinced its all mapped out

Another prediction, not published, that hit was Interest Rates:

 

1. Cowan in his books mentions the repeat in years in the stock market - basically 2000 repeated 1929
2. My research concluded that he was right, so looking at Interest rates from 1929 (in the UK) I concluded that for 22 years Interest rates back then were suppressed by the BoE and then reverted back to normal in 1951
3. So simple maths if 2000 was a "repeat" then adding 22 years to 2000 = 2022 and Interest rates should start increasing again and that is exactly what has happened!
4. Obviously from an economic pov, other things have to happen to cause rates to rise and you could have predicated that as well
5. All from knowledge of Time Cycles and what should happen - I have very little to do with the trading community and read very little trade press, but I bet hardly any economists got the past few years right

Remember the stock markets will hit trouble in the next few years, but not really bad trouble, there's a war coming, BUT the overall direction of the SP500 is UPWARDS into tops in 2034, from there it WILL crash very badly over the years that follow 2034 (not 1929 style though)

Wishing you the best endeavours with and on you trading journey

THT

Not exactly anything new - but people just do not look - Jenkins mentions this, but its a generic ASTRO condition known about by those who look at ASTRO

In the chart above I just showed you the GEOCENTRIC conjunction of Jupiter/Saturn

Here's the HELIOCENTRIC conjunction and even more Dow points


There's much much more, but I'll not steal Jenkins (use of his surname in admiration and well meaning basis, not in any way derogatory way/meaning) limelight/thunder - I would obtain the ASTRO courses if I were you


THT

Hello DiamondMiner,

Thank you for creating this thread. I have always been drawn to the metaphysical side of things and the thought of using it to trade Forex has my full attention. I have spent years bouncing around course after course wasting money I didn't have to waste... I have learned elements from some of them but still don't have a foundation that gives me the full confidence I seek to become a professional trader.

I have used some indicators systems, etc... but those feel so temporary. I want to go beyond the basic support/resistance, etc.. and really dig in and gain some traction. I have heard of Gann on several occasions but no one has ever spoken about it that I know in any detail. Since this sounds like it has been life changing for you, I am very interested in learning all that I can to make financial changes that I have needed for too long now.

Since there is a lot of material, I am interested in learning your experience and any additional recommendations. You mentioned Beck, Jenkins, Gann and others in your initial thread post. Is Michael S. Jenkins the starting point lessons to learn or has he perfected this to where that is all that is needed? According to your second post, I will start reading the 3 books you recommended in order and continue to read MJS other publications.

It would be a dream to work up to his 1-1 sessions that he holds while he is still teaching them. I feel this will be a long path but one I am wiling and ready to take so I am in control of me and my families future.

Thanks again

Hi,

Do you by any chance have these for MT5?

Cheers
B

Jenkins mentioned about using Moon Cycles in his book "Basic Day Trading Techniques".

Does anyone have more details about this please?

Jenkins published a new video:

Unfortunately I think he has retired from commenting here. Your best bet is to try and learn from the other people who are still posting here after all these years.

Hi Thtpro I got a little lost following what you mentioned here. Would you mind to recap how 1/1.4142 eventually gets to 35.4?

Also I've seen ratios play out a lot but between all those ratios, how do you determine if you're goint to follow a level or time that is sqrt2 as opposed to maybe sqrt5?

Also side note - is that green/red line on your chart your own projection? I'm curious if that was somehow your own projections that played out or something else.

Thanks, I'm also studying your latest book, even if some pages are missing 149,150,153,154.

Mr Jenkins is a man and it is difficult to find men today.
I say this with a clear conscience, because I have studied his books which are very simple. It all boils down to a few concepts...

Michael Jenkins isn't on this forum as far as we know, but why are you missing pages. Did you buy his book or download from somewhere? Strange that you'd be missing pages.

This is a strange thing to read. But yes, his books are worth studying.

Hi - Sorry for delayed reply - I take a few months off over the winter - just had a quick look into the site.

Keep dividing 1 by 1.4142 (sqrt2) until you get to 35.4 - to get the ratios of the CUBE you divide 1 by 1.732 to get all the ratios, to get the EXPANDING ratios you multiply 1 by the relevant sqrt/ratio etc - If you look at the SP500 2009 LOW it stopped as near to perfection on the 57.7% level which is an internal ratio of the CUBE, its also (high school maths) Tangent of 30 degrees

You need some other form of confirming thing to nail down the level, you can't just randomly know which level the market will stop on - I'm posting to highlight the precision and exactness out there

I don't have a screen shot of the chart, but a Gann angle from the 2018 low ran right through the 35.4% level and I just sat and waited to see if price bounced from it, when it did, I looked for bull confirmation on a lower time frame and took a position as close to the turn as possible - You have to have properly scaled Gann angles to the market trading (they all differ)

I do have a chart of the DJIA with the angles on - notice that this reversed (slight lost motion over-run) on a FIB ratio not a geometrical ratio of the square or cube - there's no right or wrong here, as these big turns will fit to FIB, Square or the Cube



Notice the 1 x 1 Gann angle was active right from 2009 low, price just never interacted with it for years and then when it did, game over for the rally - If you notice above I show a chart predicting time and price for the SP500 to top out in DEC 2021, that came from pulling everything together

The RED/GREEN lines are simply a swing file on the price - It changes according to the ATR and volatility of price action, I could set it as a % of price - I just like seeing the swings on the chart and those lines (like a zigzag chart) allow me to do that - the software (although I rarely use it, allows me to analyse all those swings in terms of movement and time, so you could project a price and time range to expect highs/lows etc from, but the software is not that accurate for that hence why I don't use)

The markets and especially the stock markets are BUILDING GEOMETRIC shapes, If we had 3 dimension charts, we'd be able to see on a chart the shapes better, but we can't, so at times (NOT ALWAYS) we get glimpse's of these shapes when price turns DEAD on a geometric level - you get lots of geometrical shapes form inside a big/large geometrical shape, so you never truly know what is happening, but you can keep track by use of angles and ratio levels etc, as the market will always comply to these angle because they are geometrical in their make up, TIME is being provided by the planets and its from there that the shapes form - you can never, well I can't, track every move and i don't need to

THT

Can you please give the link to your youtube channel where you have explained your methods thanks