When Should You Give Up On Trading? | Page 8 | Forex Factory

Options

Go to
Permalinks
Print Thread

Similar Threads

Does an EA license Give You the Right to Give Signals? 2 replies

Give me premise or give me death.... 15 replies

Which broker would you recommend, and who should you avoid? 25 replies

If you chart FX, should you also chart Bonds? 0 replies

Seven Big Things Professors Won’t Teach You (But You Should Know) 0 replies

Attachments: When Should You Give Up On Trading?
Exit Attachments

When Should You Give Up On Trading?

  • #141
  • Nov 30, 2023 9:42am Nov 30, 2023 9:42am
Quoting Trader191
{quote} but having this number is total easy. the question is , did you do this with a strategy without martingale or high risk so you can trust very big money bring in and did you bring big money in (in percentage what you have), or your true value of this is very low. thats all what is important. big percentages without big money in percent from own money will only produce extrem low percentage true win, and rest is fake virtuell wins because of the risk of the system and low trust. only real counts. for example : if you only bring 1/10 of your...
The amount of hate I sense in your comment is incredible. Love it. But I hope in return you would acknowledge how much room left in your trading you can continue to push. Don’t set me as your goal because it’s pointless when you don’t believe it.
If u luv happiness, start w/ discomfort, make friends w/ pain and failure.
100 Hits 0 Miss All Time Return: 35.8%
  • #142
  • Nov 30, 2023 9:52am Nov 30, 2023 9:52am
Quoting FXSayWhat
{quote} The amount of hate I sense in this comment is incredible. Love it. But I hope in return you would acknowledge how much room left in your trading you can continue push. Don’t set me as your goal. It’s pointless because you don’t believe it.
hate? you name logic hate, because you did not have wins, only "fake" percentage what are not real percentages of your money because you dont have big amount in? do you really trade or just do for percentage showing and ego boost without have any value in it?
you cant show here worthless numbers and hope nobody would react to this and tell you the truth? and then you call math hate, oh boy.

looks like you really have very low money in and did not make any wins woth it, its really only a system you dont trust.

many show exactly same numbers like you do, because they are so easy to produce and same time worthless.

you can not present useless numbers and same time say this number was worth it not to quite (of course someone will then reply and tell you this ). i cant understand why you need ego percentage boost without money in make it worth , how old are you?
  • #143
  • Edited 10:55am Nov 30, 2023 10:01am | Edited 10:55am
Quoting Trader191
{quote} hate? you name logic hate, because you did not have wins, only "fake" percentage what are not real percentages of your money because you dont have big amount in? do you really trade or just do for percentage showing and ego boost without have any value in it? you cant show here worthless numbers and hope nobody would react to this and tell you the truth? and then you call math hate, oh boy. looks like you really have very low money in and did not make any wins woth it, its really only a system you dont trust. many show exactly same numbers...
show me what you did this year. I don't care what system you used legal or illegal. I will spend a few minutes of my time to give you my 2 cents on how you do.
Attached Image (click to enlarge)
Click to Enlarge Name: screenshot.png Size: 9 KB
If u luv happiness, start w/ discomfort, make friends w/ pain and failure.
100 Hits 0 Miss All Time Return: 35.8%
  • #144
  • Edited 10:37am Nov 30, 2023 10:08am | Edited 10:37am
Quoting Trader191
{quote} but having this number is total easy. the question is , did you do this with a strategy without martingale or high risk so you can trust very big money bring in and did you bring big money in (in percentage what you have), or your true value of this is very low. thats all what is important. big percentages without big money in percent from own money will only produce extrem low percentage true win, and rest is fake virtuell wins because of the risk of the system and low trust. only real wins counts, the fake wins never can produce real good...
folks, this is just another typical example of when there will be people trying to drag you down and put you out on this path you walk on either you are making progress or hit rock bottom. Don't let them bother you and keep doing your thing. by the end of the day, if they don't disappear for good today, this week, or this year, they will next year.

I was also going to mention an example of when there will be external distractions and negativities that would discredit you or lead you to give up, and he popped right up, right in my arms.
If u luv happiness, start w/ discomfort, make friends w/ pain and failure.
100 Hits 0 Miss All Time Return: 35.8%
  • #145
  • Nov 30, 2023 10:59am Nov 30, 2023 10:59am
Quoting FXSayWhat
{quote} folks, this is just another typical example of when there will be people trying to drag you down and put you out on this path you walk on either you are making progress or hit rock bottom. Don't let them bother you and keep doing your thing. by the end of the day, if they don't disappear for good today, this week, or this year, they will next year. I was also going to mention an example of when there will be external distractions and negativities that would discredit you or lead you to give up, and he popped right up, right in my arms.
number one: when did i drag you down? you di it for yourself with your words and useless accounts.

you simple open many many many useless small accounts with near no money in and present the surviving accounts , and in the Accounts you did not even make big profit because of small money in.

this is like someone fake a result , same time speak loud about his ego and on the end is big loser in market. and all this you write in a thread when to stop trading.
you show with your style of faking results that you should stop trading, because you trade to present ego boost percentage useless accounts without any value inside.

and same time complain that you can be taken as bad example as a trader, when you do all wrong and present yourself as a loser trader who fakes to be a winner? unacceptable!!!
  • #146
  • Edited 11:15am Nov 30, 2023 11:04am | Edited 11:15am
Quoting FXSayWhat
{quote} show me what you did this year. I don't care what system you used legal or illegal. I will spend a few minutes of my time to give you my 2 cents on how you do. {image}
i dont use metatrader in presenter mode. you are funny, how many very good prime broker have metatrader?
this year i have 170% with 2% drawdown, but in opposite to you i put in a lot of money in because i dont have to fake it and trust my systems.

and when i tell you my number in percentage i have now after near 20 years, you would not even believe it, because then not even multiply your 1000% with 1000% would be enough. but fake it till you make it, you look like you do this all the time and dont care about trading, more about presenting yourself and same time not have any wins.

anything you do is faking and complaining that people dont like your fake percentage wins same time you are losing. at least start to be a trader (not even winner, just a real trader not gambler ) . then you can complain that someone writes about your wrong reasons not to stop trading when same time you show you should stop trading yourself when you always present fake results.

how other people will get realistic view on trading when you lie all the time and fake. you really want only show off and help noone.

when you cant accept that someone is speaking realistic about your numbers, then dont present it! you cant present one part and hope noone will say its useless when it is. some things are useless in trading and percentage of high risk strategies with near no money in is total useless (and you present even a lot of this, looks like thats the only thing you do again and again and you dont check that his mistake still let you be on the place to have show such worthless accounts / why not speak about my arguments and learn from this or show me where i am wrong?).
  • #147
  • Edited 11:27am Nov 30, 2023 11:16am | Edited 11:27am
Quoting Trader191
{quote} number one: when did i drag you down? you di it for yourself with your words and useless accounts. you simple open many many many useless small accounts with near no money in and present the surviving accounts , and in the Accounts you did not even make big profit because of small money in. this is like someone fake a result , same time speak loud about his ego and on the end is big loser in market. and all this you write in a thread when to stop trading. you show with your style of faking results that you should stop trading, because you...
simply not true, but should I disclose my setup and how it was done in every little detail just to prove to you that you are wrong? I don't think so, not under the current circumstances. So I guess you got me there. in many years, I have yet to find a way to win both on a conversion with a person like you and NOT fully give away my setup just to tell you something you might not know or haven't thought about doing. But either way, you win.
If u luv happiness, start w/ discomfort, make friends w/ pain and failure.
100 Hits 0 Miss All Time Return: 35.8%
  • #148
  • Nov 30, 2023 11:24am Nov 30, 2023 11:24am
Quoting FXSayWhat
{quote} simply not true, but should I disclose my setup and how it was done in every little detail just to prove to you that you are wrong? i don't think so, not under the current circumstances. So I guess you got me there. in many years, I have yet to find a way to win the conversion with a person like you and NOT fully give away my setup in trading. if you are so good and experienced, teach me how to have the cake and eat it. =)
i dont want see a setup. when you have big money in its a good setup if not you lie here about and its just nothing you trust in. so simple.

you make all complicated. life is easy.

but lets stop here. i only wanted to speak about your numbers, that this numbers are not enough and in many circumstances even have no smallest value inside. and this you see by how much money is in account (in percentage of what the person has). nothing more. if you dont want speak about numbers, we have no topic here. but telling its got that you did not stop only by presenting this as reason what looks like a reason to stop trading (because without value) that was irony for me.

and by the way, never show daytrading setups, or it will eliminate over some time when its good. when not good then its fine.
  • #149
  • Edited 11:45am Nov 30, 2023 11:35am | Edited 11:45am
Quoting Trader191
{quote} i dont want see a setup. when you have big money in its a good setup if not you lie here about and its just nothing you trust in. so simple. you make all complicated. life is easy. but lets stop here. i only wanted to speak about your numbers, that this numbers are not enough and in many circumstances even have no smallest value inside. and this you see by how much money is in account (in percentage of what the person has). nothing more. if you dont want speak about numbers, we have no topic here. but telling its got that you did not stop...
ohhhh so you would like to see my bank account? you want to see how much money I invested. Does that also include the accounts I have with prime brokers?

If you like me to compete with you on how much money we both invested in. how about I propose the idea of you start a small account here and make a few good gains, then we can continue our conversion.
If u luv happiness, start w/ discomfort, make friends w/ pain and failure.
100 Hits 0 Miss All Time Return: 35.8%
  • #150
  • Nov 30, 2023 11:50am Nov 30, 2023 11:50am
Quoting FXSayWhat
{quote} ohhhh so you would like to see my bank account? you want to see how much money I invested. Does that also include the accounts I have with prime brokers? If you like me to compete with you on how much money we both invested in. how about I propose the idea of you start a small account here and make a few good gains, then we can continue our conversion.
i simple wanted an answer. if you can trust words is an other thing, but your answer did show that you have only very small money in and feel catched. so your answer was a little bit shocking, because i was in every point right.

and never show a broker account statement until you will coach someone, then you should always have to show... because thats only proof what is the content worth. when the teacher can do it, the content is useless and should not be a Teacher, because to much real experience of this person is missing.

just stay with arguments and humble and all fine. when someone dont use arguments , in generell they know they lost already and try to bring conversation down in a battle.
  • #151
  • Edited 12:17pm Nov 30, 2023 11:58am | Edited 12:17pm
Quoting Trader191
{quote} i simple wanted an answer.
okay, what was your question again?
I am gonna go out and have a jog. and I will see you in 30 minutes if not 45.

1. Don't ask how I do it or guess in the hope I would go into little detail on how I pull the triggers.
2. Don't ask how much money I total invested on MT4, MT5, or any other "prime broker".

Even if you are willing to disclose your setup or your bankrolls (even if you do show them, should I believe it at all?), it doesn't mean I should automatically disclose mine to you. let me put this on the table just to be clear.

you can guess, assume, or recreate all you want, it's not my right to tell you to stop.

so ask away, what was your question?
If u luv happiness, start w/ discomfort, make friends w/ pain and failure.
100 Hits 0 Miss All Time Return: 35.8%
  • #152
  • Nov 30, 2023 12:29pm Nov 30, 2023 12:29pm
Quoting FXSayWhat
{quote} Thank you, 9jatrader. Have a wonderful weekend!
You too

Make all mistakes in demo and rain in pips in live account
9jatrader All Time Return: -48.6%
  • #153
  • Nov 30, 2023 12:43pm Nov 30, 2023 12:43pm
Quoting FXSayWhat
{quote} okay, what was your question again? I am gonna go out and have a jog. and I will see you in 30 minutes if not 45. 1. Don't ask how I do it or guess in the hope I would go into little detail on how I pull the triggers. 2. Don't ask how much money I total invested on MT4, MT5, or any other "prime broker". Even if you are willing to disclose your setup or your bankrolls (even if you do show them, should I believe it at all?), it doesn't mean I should automatically disclose mine to you. let me put this on the table just to be clear. you can...
but i know you use very small accounts, maybe some hundred usd or even much less money in your accounts you show here.
thats the only question. if it is like this then your account results are worthless because you dont trust this strategy because will be big risk inside.

of course i dont want see strategy parts (never show when its good, and never sow when you just have this simple low results with low money in and risk accounts - because luck accounts are useless), what i should need it for? i can see by account structure what you do, and the results look just like standard users present when have many sall money accounts, some with bigger wins in percent but not big win in money and other destroyed.... simple like always. so no need to see such account killer strategies.


enjoy the jogging.
  • #154
  • Nov 30, 2023 12:58pm Nov 30, 2023 12:58pm
Simple.

You quit = 100% GUARANTEE you will not make it.
You keep on = You MAYBE will make it.
  • #155
  • Nov 30, 2023 1:10pm Nov 30, 2023 1:10pm
Quoting lddd
Simple. You quit = 100% GUARANTEE you will not make it. You keep on = You MAYBE will make it.
nail it!
If u luv happiness, start w/ discomfort, make friends w/ pain and failure.
100 Hits 0 Miss All Time Return: 35.8%
  • #156
  • Edited 2:25pm Nov 30, 2023 1:29pm | Edited 2:25pm
Quoting Trader191
so no need to see such account killer strategies.
In the past 8 years or so, I have never told anyone how to trade like I trade other than ask them to push beyond their limits. So I am not sure what killer strategies I am teaching here. maybe you can make it clear on that as well.

Quoting Trader191
{quote} but i know you use very small accounts, maybe some hundred usd or even much less money in your accounts you show here. thats the only question. if it is like this then your account results are worthless because you dont trust this strategy because will be big risk inside.
let's forget about how much I have invested. does it never occur to you MAYBE this is still not the end game I wanted in trading? does it never occur to you that one might still be in pursuit of something more impressive and satisfying to his standard?

To be frank, speaking about the account size, if I have 10 million or even 1 million on my hand, I wouldn't even bother to toss them in trading at all, knowing there are far more options, less risk less stress to get my annual 10% back from it, 1 million or 100k return a year. I got friends in banks, and they all be laughing their asses off when you tell them you gonna be tossing 1 million in the stock market or forex market and looking to make some stable and consistent income.

Quoting Trader191
{quote} like standard users present when have many sall money accounts, some with bigger wins in percent but not big win in money and other destroyed.... simple like always. so no need to see such account killer strategies.
So what you did this year 170% gain and 2% dd is the way to go, then. Congrationaltion.
however, I already bested your 170% 5 years ago with 10% a month for 12 months straight with no open positions.
Attached Image (click to enlarge)
Click to Enlarge Name: screenshot.png Size: 7 KB
well... to be accurate, I bested your 170% in 2016 too, and then I decided to do it again in 2017-2018, just to get an official record of what I did.

Guess how much I have come in the last 6 years?

Now I don't discredit someone for pulling a 170% gain and 2% dd. numbers don't lie, average 4.5% a month with 2% dd for an annual 170% return, doable, I think that's not too bad. that is that. nothing more. until I see you have an explorer opened under you with 170% gain and 2% dd, my opinion on you wont change much.
If u luv happiness, start w/ discomfort, make friends w/ pain and failure.
100 Hits 0 Miss All Time Return: 35.8%
  • #157
  • Nov 30, 2023 2:26pm Nov 30, 2023 2:26pm
Quoting FXSayWhat
{quote} let's forget about how much I have invested. does it never occur to you MAYBE this is still not the end game I wanted in trading? does it never occur to you that one might still be in pursuit of something more impressive and satisfying to his standard? To be frank, if i have 10 millions or even 1 million on my hand, i wouldn't event bother to toss them in trading at all, knowing there are far more options, less risk less stress to get my annual 10% back from it, 1 million or 100k return a year. I got friends in banks, they all be laughing...
the problem for you is:
i trade full amount inside because i trade with small risk, you with near no amount inside because of high risk.
by the way of course i am out any day or you cant get 2 % drawdown.

i see your showing off systems how many hundred times any day in any forum? its standard useless high risk show off.

ok lets do like this:
you have this account since 2018 (i have my account some years more and so lets calculate how many thousand percent you have won in this time with increasing money more and more?? you cant or?) , so show the rest years or did you blow the account? of course you did or performance was bad after this.
the problem with your show of accounts , there is no money in and no consistency. 2 things a trader need as base to improve with time. so on end you are same like day one and still take a look how to trade and what to do and search a system.

and thatswhy i did wrote on beginning, your show off accounts without value show more to stop trading for someone, not to do more of this and dont get better by doing only this. you cant do again and again same and hope for different outcome.

and why you are so fixed on the percantage (concentrate on the money!). should i tell you that with small accounts of some 10 thousand, or 300% when with some hundred thousands, what is this percentages worth? it goes down more and more the higher you come with trading amount, when you do daytrading. should i tell you that i have over 1 million percent after 2 decades? percentages are total useless, and with compounding over long term very easy. thatswhy slow and stable and consistent will blow away any gamble coin over time in results.
  • #158
  • Edited 3:25pm Nov 30, 2023 2:36pm | Edited 3:25pm
Quoting Trader191
{quote}should i tell you that i have over 1 million percent after 2 decades?
I think we all like to see a 1 million % gain sometime in our lifetime. please show me your lifetime work and tell us how it's done. if you think it's meaningless, I don't see it that way, I am not bright, I have not learned anything till today I meet you. please show me.
Quoting Trader191
your show off accounts without value show more to stop trading for someone, not to do more of this and dont get better by doing only this. you cant do again and again same and hope for different outcome.
sorry what does this mean? do I NOT have your permission to compete in the top 5 spots on the weekly, monthly, and yearly leaderboard? Does it cause some level of discomfort in you?
Quoting Trader191
thatswhy slow and stable and consistent will blow away any gamble coin over time in results.
ohhhhhhh I finally see one of your points. well, I can't disagree with you on this one. I think you pretty much nailed it, but same time I think I did just okay, just slightly above my expectations for the year. 1 more month to go for me to push my next objective. if it doesn't happen, it's okay, I will do better next year.

If you think you have something better, share it open a thread, create a live or demo explorer, and let everyone else be the judge on how well you do. now all you give is just empty talkings, you are not the first and won't be the last.
If u luv happiness, start w/ discomfort, make friends w/ pain and failure.
100 Hits 0 Miss All Time Return: 35.8%
  • #159
  • Nov 30, 2023 3:25pm Nov 30, 2023 3:25pm
Quoting FXSayWhat
{quote} I think we all like to see a 1 million % gain sometime in our lifetime. please show me your lifetime work and tell us how it's done. if you think it's meaningless, I don't see it that way, I am not bright, I have not learned anything till today I meet you. please show me. {quote} sorry what does this mean? do I NOT have your permission to compete in the top 5 spots on the weekly, monthly, and yearly leaderboard? Does it cause some level of discomfort in you? {quote} ohhhhhhh I finally see one of your points. well, I can't disagree with you...
but you are in first places just because you use many account with near no money in and high risk trading (so just like normal you win because simple math, but why waste time with this ?). thats meaningless wins.... you know yourself, just numbers for nothing to use then show off by beginners. rest will see its meaningless and untradeable account. when combinated with useless strategies like latancy arbitrage its even totally meaningless.

for this children games i dont have time. you should not have too after some years trading.
  • #160
  • Nov 30, 2023 3:41pm Nov 30, 2023 3:41pm
Quoting Trader191
{quote} but you are in first places just because you use many account with near no money in and high risk trading (so just like normal you win because simple math, but why waste time with this ?). thats meaningless wins.... you know yourself, just numbers for nothing to use then show off by beginners. rest will see its meaningless and untradeable account. when combinated with useless strategies like latancy arbitrage its even totally meaningless. for this children games i dont have time. you should not have too after some years trading.
no money, martingale, many accounts, and latency arbitrage. are these all accusations you can come up with after 20 years of trading? Clearly, you have not seen enough to open your eyes. Many friends from FF in the past did the analysis and digging on my accounts and tried to figure out how I was able to do it. They did far better than you and all of your false accusations today.
If u luv happiness, start w/ discomfort, make friends w/ pain and failure.
100 Hits 0 Miss All Time Return: 35.8%
1 trader viewing now