W.D. Gann planetary price & timing analysis

There's a lot of Gann doubters out there and that is because of a number of reasons, the main one is that they don't put enough time into research and then complain that his methods don't work! and they expect everything to work on every chart they look at - markets work out to differing cycles (planets), hence why you get differences and have to do the work for every market you look at!

This chart shows the SP500 Index - it contains a huge amount of Information, that is proved by geometric evidence and mathematics that cannot be argued with:

 

1. Simple conversion of the March 2009 low PRICE into TIME - 666pts = 666 WEEKS
2. Split the 666 WEEKS into 2 or 50% or 180 degs = works nicely
3. Link 666 weeks to a planetary cycle - this one works out to 390 degs (so 360 degs + 30 degs) of Jupiter
4. Markets often run GEOMETRIC ratios of the SQUARE (1.4142), the CUBE (1.732), Fibonacci (1.618) & 2 adjoining squares (2.236) which are also Sq root of 2/3 & 5
5. The ABCD calc was from the EXPANDING GEOMETRIC ratios of the SQUARE - not shown but also landed within 1 point of the high was a ratio of 1.902 of swings from the 2016 lows (1.902 is the DIAGONAL of a GOLDEN RECTANGLE (Fib series)
6. Now onto the Gann Angles - Back in 2009 you would NOT have known the growth rate of the market, so you would of had to put some experimental ones on the chart, then once price moved along in TIME, you could have tweaked to "fit" - The point here is to show HOW the SP500 the PRECISION as to how the SP500 GREW - Humans are not that clever, to be able to force a market to have grown with this precision over 13 years - look at all the mathematics involved, proved on the chart
7. WD Gann said "Once an angle is breached, it falls to the NEXT angle" - Which if you look at the chart is what happened perfectly!
8. Notice that at the 180 degs / 50% of the overall cycle I repositioned the Gann Angles, to which they caught the price falls - as I've moved the angles FORWARD in TIME by 50%, the 2 x 1 (Bright Blue) hits the 1 x 1 (Bright Pink) from 2009 - shows that the angles are sync'd properly and notice how from the end of the cycle date and Jan'22 high the angles have nicely sliced through price rallies
9. and low and behold look at the pink 1 x 1 angle from 2015 projection - stopped price perfectly - I have to say price also FELL within 0.01% of exactness/perfection 35.4% and 35.4% is a ratio of the SQUARE
10. This is why Gann used all those squares, grids, angles etc etc etc, so that he could visualise GEOMETRICAL shapes the markets are moving to
11. Go back in history and MEASURE price falls - 50% = SQUARE / 57.7% = CUBE / the 2009 price low fell EXACTLY 57.69% which is close enough to perfection for me or 57.7%
12. As we can easily prove that PLANETS are responsible for the TIME aspect, at key turning points, then somehow, humans are doing the bidding work of those vibrations/messages from planets to BUILD GEOMETRIC structures provable by mathematics that we can't argue with, on the worlds main stock markets! Sound crazy I know, but the more you Investigate this area, you soon become a convert

So when people say that the markets are random, they just have not looked properly

Once you find the Planet that the market is working out to - it will work for YEARS until is all squares up and balance price and time and then it turns

THT

1000's of pips on the EURUSD



Ignore the manual time calc comment on the chart - you will fare far better by using the EXACT 90 planetary calc for the next hit

90 degs is the SQUARE - plot the 90 degs on a ASTROLOGY chart - notice WHICH star sign they land in and look for similarities - use to keep as a visual reference

I mentioned WAR above - 90 degs of URANUS squares the circle and the various star signs that lands in/on are hot spots for wars ADD MARS to those hot spots and you have the virtual date for ACTION

We're NOT using ASTROLOGY to form trading decisions, we're using the position of the planets in the solar system which is ASTRO - As soon as you start using "This should happen because of the house meaning, planet meaning, relationship etc, then you ARE using astrology"

So on the EURUSD we only have a decade or so worth of data from when it started trading in 1999 - the SQUARE above shows a UP/DOWN/possible UP sequence

The next hit will help guide if that sequence is on or not - If it is then there are 10,000's of pips on offer

I do not publish work or sell anything - only on free sites and due to the nature of those in this game (sharks), I only show you what I am happy being copied and passed off as other peoples own - If you put the hard work in and devote time to research you should discover the secrets that Gann obviously found

If you use the same cycle above on the SP500 from the 1987 CRASH date, 180 DEGREES on from the 1987 crash date lands EXACTLY dead on the March 2009 LOW - run 120 degrees and see where that lands (from the 1987 crash date) - Gann detailed the Important degrees

THT

Thanks THT running out the Synodic Cycles using the three outer Planets could probably pinpoint some interesting points which could be refined using other techniqies. I also find working back once a significant point has been located using a combination of longitudes as outlined but its tedious work to locate short term swing points but can sometimes be promising.

Hi Grant

Yeah it can be a lot of hard work - I'm not really that Interested in the short-term stuff, I have pretty basic trend following methods for swing trading that provide good returns over and over - I do however, like the BEAT the market and that trait causes me to look at longer-term turns, if it moves to what I'm expecting, then I take a large position and ride the trend until it reverses - people will never ever believe that I got the March 2020 low in the SP500, partly based on the chart above with the Gann angles and Gann numerology timing, but I was waiting for this Time Cycle to arrive:



As people can see I had the date on the chart 3 years prior to the "event"

The stock markets aren't doing or working out to the same Time Cycles as Forex markets - The stock market is growing, the Forex markets are working out through ranges

If you look at Gann's stock market forecasts, with the point to point swing charts and dates, work out the ASTRO for those turns - all he was doing aspects of various planets and planet combo's - he forecast the 1929 high for Aug, when the actual high came in Sept, which he had on the market forecast, but even Gann misjudged what would cause the high

Also some turns in the markets are caused by OLD ASTRO points, not new, so you could be looking for turning points that will never come - although big tops and bottoms will have some harmonics to the old astro, but its really time-consuming digging it all out

On top of all that, you have GEO and HELIO operating jointly too, to add to all the confusion!

But its all fascinating, to me, as it shows that from birth, our lives are pretty much pre-destined by the planets and definitely our lives on Earth on the big things such as wars, peaks in Interest Rates, Inflation, Stock markets etc etc are pretty much written out in the stars for us to live through - Dangerous grounds of religion here, but the Bible as Gann said is full of cycles as a guide to life, which is what I think it really was, until it kept on being "revised" by those not wanting the masses to understand it

The very recent rally in the SP500 was ASTRO related - If the market does the following, at the end of it expect further decent rallies for the weeks/months thereafter - If the following fails to happen, see what the market does:

 

1. rally up to 21st Nov 2023
2. 1-4 days after that date, sharp DECLINE over multiple days
3. Then bottoms and rallies
4. This is a "Hit'n'Miss" cycle - sometimes it works and appears and sometimes it doesn't

This is the cycle for the SP500 that I mentioned in the post above from 1987 crash

THT

Thanks I think its important to understand which Cycle you are running against which can be defined from several points but locating the correct Cycle can be difficult to determine in real time. Projecting Synodic Cycles forward from significant Tops and Bottoms is an interesting method and can encompass the larger Cycles like you have discussed and also the intermediate Cycles but from this we can be presented with a number of points. As an example if we take a major Top or Bottom just using the outer Planets Jupiter Saturn and Uranus we get three combinations Jupiter Saturn Jupiter Uranus Saturn Uranus so if we project these aspects forward we have three combinations and if we calculate both Helio and Geo coordinates from a single date we would have multiple vertical lines originating just from one point so the question would be how can we locate the strongest cyclical point that links in with past Cycles, I have also tried using Mars mainly Helio coupled with the outer Planets which also gives quite a few combos Mars Jupiter Mars Saturn Mars Uranus and tried running these Cycles out sometimes vetting a hit and sometimes not so I guess it would be just a case of refinement and looking for overlap but definitely worth researching

You've nailed the Issue - The solution is to work out which planet/pairing or triple are working out when and the next hit - the outer outer planets play a part too, including the North Node - Mars + Jup / Mars + Uranus are a good combo, but they come and go - All the astro out there INTERMIXES, so you will never be able to work out a up/down/up sequence for the short-term swings consistently

You have to do the research, note the REPEATS and then back test those repeats to see if they do infact repeat and repeat etc - that last chart of the SP500 showing Sat/Uranus 15 degrees, some of those hits didn't do much and at other times they were very very significant, there was multiple other astro in place at those dates which backed up a sizeable move too

There were a few others in the 1900's that looked at astro - their works are def worth a read/study, along with Gann's financial timetable (used North Node of the moon for that calcs) which is extremely accurate, Gann's 1948 Soybean letter showing Mars/Jupiter (see below on the SP500 chart) and Gann's Coffee letter, give away many great secrets including how to convert price into time and vice versa, along with Gann's Tunnel book and George Bayers "George Wollsten" and Egg of Columbus books, Jensen's Astro works etc



Notice the "plunge" at the date or just after and that it ALWAYS 100% CERTAIN GUARANTEED results in a market that rallies - even in a bear market section and they say no certainties exist in the markets - just found one - messing around with this cycle combination can find other ultra high probability hits too from other starting points!

THT

This is the KEY to the SP500, Nasdaq, DJIA etc:

For obvious reasons I'll not disclose the planets or the degs - but they are definitely planets

When I created this chart I didn't include the Time Cycles for the 1974 low, not 2003, nor 2009 - but they most certainly exist - 1974 and 2009 are linked by Gann's SQUARE of 12 EXACTLY - once you crack it, you'll be able predict EVERY major LOW like 1974 and 2009 until you die, all you need to do is go long on the exact date with as much cash you can beg steal or borrow and just hold and hold or a simpler version would be to just add 34/35 years to 2009 for an approx date and as the market crashes down in those years look for bottoming signals - this is definitely one for the children, grandchildren and every generation thereafter to pass down and benefit from

There IS a SEQUENCE to the cycles and not everyone will see this, so I'll highlight it - the RED Time Cycle line governs WHEN in TIME Bull markets STOP and WHEN they start depending where they come in relation to the BLUE Time Cycle line - take a look at the EXACT date of the last RED cycle line, look at what the stock markets did on that day and the days to follow - in 1982 the RED Time Cycle line STARTED the mega BULL run, in 2015 it arrived BEFORE the BLUE Time Cycle line causing a massive plunge, rather than starting things off
The other sequence is that the BLUE Time Cycle lines control periods of either UP (Inflationary) markets or DOWN (Deflationary) markets

Once you understand the sequence and the pattern - you will have the ability to PREDICT years in advance of when ECONOMIC conditions will happen - not to the day, but in general, i.e. from 2000-2016 you could have easily predicted problems with banks, lending, housing, credit DEFLATION and the ONLY 2 methods available to stoke INFLATION is to lower Interest rates and if that fails to Issue some form of free funny money from central banks backed by the govt (or should i say taxpayers of the country in question) - THEN, once the DOWN deflating period ends, what happens is UP Inflationary cycles cause price Inflation, the rise of Interest rates which causes bonds to suffer etc etc

Don't be sweet talked by fund managers or financial advisers (I used to be a FA) into buying and holding during bear markets - they have not got a clue and even if they did, they are not allowed to cash out of the market due to the rules of their fund sector association and an unwritten rule between fund groups that if they did cash out, they'd end up destroying the hand that feeds them - when you realise that the masses are being misled and lied to by not only the fund groups but the regulators and govts, you change your view on things - The ONLY good that came of me being a Financial Adviser was knowing which tax efficient (free) vehicles to house my trading and Investing into, I learnt very little about the markets when I was a FA

Thanks was just thinking about running the Synodic Cycles backwards from a Cycle point.
Doing this manually at the moment using various combinations so it will be interesting to see what it produces. Will probably just stick with the outer Planets for the time being like you have described and scale down a bit. If your interested please email me at [email protected] as it would be interesting to discuss further thanks

Don't overlook the obvious though - Gann published a lot of static cycles - although he really meant planetary cycles, some of these cycle work out close to static times

Gann's MASTER TIME CYCLE was 60 YEARS

You'd be well tuned to split that cycle into Gann's harmonics as it reveals a few turning points - from all the starting points - If you do this you will find a cycle that repeats every x months and hits the 2000 top, the 2007 top, the 2015 top etc

Don't try to make logic of the numbers - They are harmonic and they are within the works of the great Pyramid - just go with the flow and REMEMBER, its crazy how the circle of 360 spins out cycles that work centuries, decades later - but they DO (part of the pre-destined plan of the universe)

I always chuckle when people say they live in a free land and are in control of their destiny - to a certain degree, they are, on the bigger stage, something else is in charge

This chart proves why Gann said "run out 90, 120, 180, 240, 360 hours, days, weeks, months from major highs and lows" - 720 months is 60 years

Get Gann's works, jot down all the cycles he says, then run them all on daily, weekly and monthly charts - then start with the planets - log hits, if something works it will work OFTEN and it will REPEAT, the market PRICE move might not repeat, but often the generic market FORM will look similar



THT

Geo Synodic Cycle between Venus and Jupiter. Adding Helio calculations will add another three columns.

Forgot to say - feel free to PM me on here, rather than email - easier on here

Hello THTPRO,
I just read your posts and I have to thank you because you made me want to pick up the astro discussion again: I had abandoned it due to the complexity of the subject. I will start reading Bayer again and using the Cycle Timer for astronomical cycles. I totally agree with you about the thoughts you expressed about our life!!!

But its all fascinating, to me, as it shows that from birth, our lives are pretty much pre-destined by the planets and definitely our lives on Earth on the big things such as wars, peaks in Interest Rates, Inflation, Stock markets etc etc are pretty much written out in the stars for us to live through - Dangerous grounds of religion here, but the Bible as Gann said is full of cycles as a guide to life, which is what I think it really was, until it kept on being "revised" by those not wanting the masses to understand it

Hi

No probs - its a very complex and time consuming subject - piecing everything together - Glad I could re-ignite the astro fire in you!

All the best for the study! I've still not got anywhere close to Gann's Wheat @ 120 prediction

Have a great weekend
THT

I wish you a good weekend too.

about the Bayer book you mentioned: explain what he means by: squaring the circle :the square is the price and the circle is Time...and it's true!

next week I will calmly provide some examples

Here is GEO Venus from the 2022 HIGH, spinning out 90 degrees nicely

It's not always this easy, as many different planets cause interference with each other and it all depends on the "squareness" of price action on the chart view

Notice that all the 90's have been LOWS - the next one is due TODAY - As the market has been rallying, the sequence has been rally into the date, small pullback and then up again

*The thing to note is that this cycle date is the 720 deg from the 2022 high - at some stage this sequence WILL fizzle out

Gann said "Start from the right point"

This is where your average Gann cycle trader stumbles

This chart shows you the "issues" with using planets for cycles - Remember multiple planets are moving things all the time and they come and go, which is why you can't pin-point things exactly (on the smaller time-frame)

This chart shows Jupiter/Uranus cycle from the 2009 low - the 0 for the cycles shows the STARTING point

For the 45 degree angle it started on the low 6th march 2009 - if you spin this cycle forward, there's some good hits and some useless hits

For the 15 deg angle it started in sept 2010 when the 2 planets had a CONJUNCTION (HELIO) - again some good hits and some useless

At the 2009 low the 2 planets were circa 45 degs apart/angle - that's why at the conjunction point the angles match up - then the angles REPEAT as you go through the degrees on the other side of the conjunction

If you go BACKWARDS in time as Gann mentioned in his works and you get a "HIT" on a (give or take a little leeway) 45/90/120/180 angle, then its highly likely to be a turning point for the same deg hit on the "other" side of the conjunction - look at the 2009 low, that was 45 degs BEFORE the conjunction point of 0 degs, go forward 45 degs FROM the conjunction point and you get a HIGH APRIL 2012 - price has "flipped"



Now the real beauty of this is when you calculate the trend lines / gann angles (Planetary lines)

We calculate the movement in price and time of the 2009 low to the Jup/Uranus 45 degs to the conjunction, which was low to low 465.3 pts in 571 cal days = 0.82 pts per day to be used as our Gann Angle

Pink bar is the 1 x 1 - Sept 2022 = 360 degs Jup/Uranus cycle from the 2009 low, so we got a near perfect (5weeks out) TIME 360 cycle, but the timing angle (Planetary line) was EXACT in terms of BOTH PRICE & TIME

and they say you can't time the markets lol

Just wanna say thanks for this pic - it was almost like a worksheet for me to solve as a beginning to getting my head around how this works mechanically. I've just started reading the Jenkins trilogy after having read a bunch of his other work and modelling some of his content around Malasyian SnR ideas in a bit of a confluence hodge-podge, but I only relly dipped into the astro books this last week and there's so much new knowledge to get my head around (I've always been staunchly against the 'idea' of astro/spiritualism in general but I'm opening up to it since Jenkins approaches it in such a pragmatic and realistic way and it seemingly hits too often to be random).

Anyway this pic had just enough info that I could play around with the bare scraps of what I've picked up so far and get the next date, so thanks!

I got excited and messed around on Gold a bit with some different planets across helio/geo. These seem to fit well from the same planet across both. I have to thank you tht as you've made a lot of bits click for me tonight, my head was kinda swimming with how you actually apply this stuff and this is obviously baby steps, but some forward movement all the same!

Hi all,

Apologies to all that have contacted me regarding the lunar cycles (and other Gann cycles). I actually had forgotten all about my posts about Gann in here. Those of you who have requested help and still need it please send me another DM.

The lunar cycles are active in all instruments and when combined with the correct price system it provides a tremendous edge in the markets.

T